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SoftShell says

You just pulled that one out your ass.....

Any cursory google search will show the exact opposite of what you state below. See my other posts for details.

Dan8267 says

Numerous studies have confirmed the obvious, the percentage of infidelity ranked most to least are: male-male, male-female, female-female.

Above is an actual lesbian couple who got married as soon as they could legally do so. They had been together for decades before the law was changed to allow them to marry.

You are honestly arguing that the couple above are far more likely to cheat on each other than a typical straight couple and therefore should be deny the right to marry. You are completely divorced from reality.

SoftShell says

hehhehheh....good one..

Dan8267 says

You're playing chess; I'm playing Raumschach.

Um, the above post is like the only thing SoftShell has said that shouldn't be disliked.

curious2 says

Even Wikipedia doesn't consider Examiner blogs to be reliable

Wow, that's like Lindsay Lohan calling you a drunken skank. Or Paul Ryan calling you a job creator.

Dan8267 says

I call quadruple bullshit. A person smoking pot does not infringe upon your rights. A person having consensual sex with another person, regardless of that person's gender, does not infringe upon your rights.

- Yes smoking does infringe on my rights and my childrents rights to breathe clean air.
- Sex, sure go have sex with whatever the hell you want. No one is questioning that. Marriage on the other hand is something that needs legal social acceptance, which is by definition between one man and one woman. Same rules for everyone, don't try to bend them to fit a case of a few perverts who want men marrying men and humans marrying poultry or bovine.

Dan8267 says

I call bullshit. Show me one case when a child, hell anyone, has died from marijuana overdose.

Watch the morning news, plenty to see there. There was a story just this morning. Like anything, legalizing it makes it grow and spread. All you liberals know how to spread with your "freedom stride" is pot, child death, abortions, gays, and std's.

Here! Here! Mr Wayne!!!

FortWayne says

- Yes smoking does infringe on my rights and my childrents rights to breathe clean air.

- Sex, sure go have sex with whatever the hell you want. No one is questioning that. Marriage on the other hand is something that needs legal social acceptance, which is by definition between one man and one woman. Same rules for everyone, don't try to bend them to fit a case of a few perverts who want men marrying men and humans marrying poultry or bovine.

So you are now into cherrypickin only the goodies.....I see.
No, I am arguing that homosexual marriages are far more likely to have cheating partners than normal marriages.
I'm arguing the statistics of millions, not single datapoints.

Dan8267 says

Above is an actual lesbian couple who got married as soon as they could legally do so. They had been together for decades before the law was changed to allow them to marry.

You are honestly arguing that the couple above are far more likely to cheat on each other than a typical straight couple and therefore should be deny the right to marry. You are completely divorced from reality.

In other words, you've lost the argument based on my statistical facts, so now you wish to dodge and shift in a vain attempt to change the topic, and project me as some of the miscreants in your past who apparently have skeletons in their warehouses you wish to project onto me...

I see............................................................................................................

curious2 says

Dan, the Jackass Crab is trolling again. MrEd/SoftShell/Paralithodes is a delusional loser in Texas whom most people wouldn't even spit on IRL, because it would be a waste of spit.

FortWayne says

Yes smoking does infringe on my rights and my childrents rights to breathe clean air.

Exactly. Whereas two men or two women being married does not infringe upon any of your rights.

FortWayne says

Marriage on the other hand is something that needs legal social acceptance

There is no such thing as "legal social acceptance". Legality and social acceptance have nothing to do with each other. It's legal to fart in public even if it's not socially acceptable.

Furthermore, same sex marriage have become socially acceptable. The majority of Americans support marriage equality.

Even more importantly, Christianity is becoming more socially unacceptable every year. Should we outlaw your religion because of this?

FortWayne says

by definition between one man and one woman

Who the fuck are you to impose that definition on anyone? Even if I accepted your definition, my conclusion would be that the state cannot recognize ANY marriage because it is purely a religious institution and one that discriminates and violates the 14th Amendment. By pushing that definition you are only succeeding in persuading people to take away YOUR marriage rights.

I don't want YOUR definition to have any legal weight and the majority of Americans are with me. Who the hell died and made you god of marriages? Why should your social agenda have more weight than that of 200 million other Americans?

You still haven't given me one damn reason why marriage should be restricted to people of the opposite gender. Nor have you addressed who a hermaphrodite should be allowed to marry.

FortWayne says

Like anything, legalizing it makes it grow and spread.

And why the hell shouldn't gay marriage spread and grow?

The only thing here I see that needs to be made illegal and prosecuted is Christianity. Now that's an evil that should be outlawed. Amend the Constitution to revoke all religious freedoms as they are incompatible with human rights. This very conversation proves that.

The last thing we need spreading in the nuclear age is the irrationality and intolerance of religion. Religion promotes hatred and discord as evident by the fact that it is the core of all opposition of marriage equality.

FortWayne says

a few perverts who want men marrying men and humans marrying poultry or bovine.

The mere fact that you equate homosexuality with bestiality -- two things that have absolutely no connection to any sane person -- proves beyond any doubt how religion harms children. It causes them to grow up to become people who would say that marrying men and marrying bovines are the same thing. That alone is justification to ban religion and its indoctrination of children.

SoftShell says

So you are now into cherrypickin only the goodies.

If a law violates the rights of a single person, it is unacceptable. One example is enough to strike that any law in the name of justice.

SoftShell says

No, I am arguing that homosexual marriages are far more likely to have cheating partners than normal marriages.

Even if what you say is true, which evidence regarding lesbian long-term relationships contradicts, but even if it were true, that would not be any case for banning same-sex marriages.

50% of heterosexual marriages end in divorce, but if 53% of gay marriages end in divorce that is grounds for banning them?

What arbitrary cutoff point are you using for the percentage of infidelity used to justify banning marriage? Now that's cherry picking.

If the presence of infidelity in some heterosexual marriages is not cause to ban heterosexual marriage, then the presence of infidelity in homosexual marriages (which haven't been measured because there haven't been any!) is not cause for banning same-sex marriages.

SoftShell says

In other words, you've lost the argument based on my statistical facts

Actually, curious2 tore apart the legitimacy of your so-called evidence.

Dan8267 says

Who the fuck are you to impose that definition on anyone?

I'm not alone with that definition, it's been a definition for centuries and it's a building block of our society.

Ask yourself Dan, who the hell are you to redefine the marriage for everyone as something that all of a sudden accepts a man and a man or a man and his pig.

Dan8267 says

You still haven't given me one damn reason why marriage should be restricted to people of the opposite gender. Nor have you addressed who a hermaphrodite should be allowed to marry.

I did plenty of times, you just disregarded it because you don't like those reasons. I've mentioned how it affects children who are witness. It's inconvenient truth to libereals.

FortWayne says

I'm not alone with that definition, it's been a definition for centuries and it's a building block of our society.

FortWayne says

Ask yourself Dan, who the hell are you to redefine the marriage for everyone as something that all of a sudden accepts a man and a man or a man and his pig.

No one is purposing that people be able to marry pigs, cows, chickens, or any non-human animal. Only despicable Christians like you equate homosexuality with bestiality. Marriage, as far as the state is concerned, is a legal contract. You can enter a legal contract with a person of either gender. You can't enter a legal contract with a pig.

To equate homosexuality with bestiality is to equate gays and lesbians with subhuman animals. This was a stupid and offensive argument back in the 1960s when people made it in regards to interracial marriage, and it is a stupid and offensive argument today for the exact same reasons.

As for the real issue, the 14th Amendment guarantees that all persons have the same rights under law. The case of Loving v. Virginia, decided by the Supreme Court in 1967, upheld that marriage is a human right available to all persons and cannot be denied by the state. This is why the legal, secular definition of marriage must include same-sex couples or the very concept of marriage must be banned from all legislation.

I don't give a flying fuck about whether or not your evil church recognizes a marriage or performs a ceremony, but I sure as hell am not going to tolerate the state discriminating against homosexuals when it comes to taxes, property-rights, spousal benefits, and thousands of other rights. Why? Because I'm a real American, and real Americans believe in equality under law.

If you don't believe in this fundamental American principle, then you should move to Russia. After all, Putin is the ideal conservative. He hates gays, worships a false god, violates human rights, wants to use the military to take over everything, and is blindly nationalistic. He's the perfect Republican. No wonder the Republican color is commie red.

FortWayne says

I did plenty of times, you just disregarded it because you don't like those reasons. I've mentioned how it affects children who are witness. It's inconvenient truth to libereals.

Wrong. Your assertion that seeing two guys kiss will fuck up a kid has no basis in reality or scientific evidence.

In contrast, we can show multitudes of examples of children being fucked up by religion, particularly your religion, Christianity. Now that's child abuse.

Not only are children not screwed up by seeing gay people kiss, which will happen regardless of whether or not same sex marriage is legalized, but in fact children grow up healthy when raised by same-sex couples.

For example,

wow.
you aspire for me to go back in time and waste two other human beings.
that's sick. I would not even pin that one on liberals...
just you. sick.

sbh says

SoftShell says

My goal is to save lives by discouraging behavior which can lead to an unnecessary early death and wasted life.

Then you should aspire to a time machine and a bullet to the head of both your parents.

If one of them cuts their pecker off, maybe we can all close our eyes and pretend it's legit....

Dan8267 says

Not only are children not screwed up by seeing gay people kiss, which will happen regardless of whether or not same sex marriage is legalized, but in fact children grow up healthy when raised by same-sex couples.

Curious2 did no such thing, other than to try to pin other names on me.

Dan8267 says

SoftShell says

In other words, you've lost the argument based on my statistical facts

Actually, curious2 tore apart the legitimacy of your so-called evidence.

I can read. Just look at what you wrote....and my reply.
you can't run and hide from it.

SoftShell says

My goal is to save lives by discouraging behavior which can lead to an unnecessary early death and wasted life.

Then you should aspire to a time machine and a bullet to the head of both your parents.

and my reply

wow.


you aspire for me to go back in time and waste two other human beings.


that's sick. I would not even pin that one on liberals...


just you. sick.

Dan8267 says

As for the real issue, the 14th Amendment guarantees that all persons have the same rights under law.

It is same rights now, a marriage is same for everyone one man + one woman. Done. A man and a man, or man and 10 wives, a man and a pig are not marriage, it's just sick, it hurts society, and children.

Dan8267 says

You can't enter a legal contract with a pig.

Hell, why not? If a man can marry a man, and it has no purpose, why can't a man marry a cricket or a shoe or a pig. If you can skin it, butcher it and eat it, why not marry it while at it. It's all same pointless liberal made up fantasy bs anyway. You liberals are something. If Hillary loses next election, it'll only be because of you liberals going overboard trying to spread gays and pot to everyone for your personal sick pleasures causing America to run away from the Democratic party.

Dan8267 says

Wrong. Your assertion that seeing two guys kiss will fuck up a kid has no basis in reality or scientific evidence.

This has been proven even to you, multiple times, that there is scientific evidence. You liberals ignore it every time, because it doesn't fit into your argument.

FortWayne says

This has been proven even to you, multiple times, that there is scientific evidence.

No, this hasn't been proven by any intelligent scholar. You are completely full of shit here and speaking ex rectum here. Moreover, any argument you are unable to make on facts and evidence (which is pretty much everything) is going to be extremely weak from the outset -- your arguments function largely as ad hominems and strawmen, which is why they are always weak. Any time you talk about political spectrum instead of the merits, you look like an idiot.

Again, here's just one source:

http://www.bu.edu/today/2013/gay-parents-as-good-as-straight-ones/

That article is great because it also details the major flaws in the studies that suggest there is any negative consequence, e.g. the researcher intentionally picked kids of divorced homes and compared them to undivorced hetero couples -- classic bias.

You only have to look at the Prop 8 trial in California to see how incompetent the anti-gay marriage side was in presenting their case because there actually is no evidence of harm, and there's no evidence that the purpose of marriage is for child-bearing (otherwise we wouldn't allow sterile people and old people to get married) -- their best arguments were still ridiculously pathetic and laughable.

Methinks Fort Wayne protest too much -- he really has something up his ass about this topic.

From someone named "corntrollio" this is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black...

corntrollio says

Methinks Fort Wayne protest too much -- he really has something up his ass about this topic.

FortWayne says

It is same rights now, a marriage is same for everyone one man + one woman. Done.

No, it's not. 14th Amendment. Supreme Court case Loving v. Virginia.

You can whine as much as you want. You do not get to dictate people's rights.

But I'll accept your principle when it comes to the right to bare arms. You can bare the exact arms that were available when the Second Amendment was written and nothing more. In other words, you can have a musket, but not a pistol, rifle, or shotgun.

If the law cannot adopt the legal status of marriage to include same-sex couples, then the law cannot expand the definition of arms to include modern guns when the only arms available when the Second Amendment was written.

FortWayne says

A man and a man, or man and 10 wives, a man and a pig are not marriage, it's just sick, it hurts society, and children.

No. You're thinking of religion. Religion is just sick and hurts society and children. Oh, and guns. Guns are just sick and hurts society and children.

Same-sex marriages don't harm anyone. And there's going to be just as much if not more same-sex sex without same-sex marriages. Banning same-sex marriage is just going to encourage more gay pride parades and more public displays of homosexual affection including in front of kids.

You have just illustrated why gay pride parades are necessary. You have just shown why two men in love with each other have to kiss in front of children. It's the only way to end the bigotry and the false accusation of abnormality. When kids witness gay people making out every day, they won't think it's weird and they won't believe people like you when you tell them it's sick an abnormal.

You're encouraging gays to do in public exactly what you don't want your kids seeing. If they were married and had the same rights, they could be romantic in the privacy of their own homes. It is precisely because of your bigotry that they have to overtly reveal themselves.

That principle only applies to equatorial countries....not the US...

Dan8267 says

But I'll accept your principle when it comes to the right to bare arms.

FortWayne says

Hell, why not? If a man can marry a man, and it has no purpose, why can't a man marry a cricket or a shoe or a pig.

I would argue that heterosexual marriage serves no purpose. Marriage is obsolete. But that's irrelevant because the government does not outlaw things simply because they serve no purpose. Baseball serves no purpose, but it's legal to play. And if you want to argue that baseball has the purpose of making people happy, well same damn thing for same-sex marriages. It is the individual, not government, who determines what happiness to pursue.

Second, a man cannot enter a legal contract with a shoe or a pig. A man can enter a legal contract with another man. A woman can enter a legal contract with another woman. As far as the state is concerned, a marriage is a legal contract. This is a point you have repeatedly chosen to ignore.

Third, I notice you keep omitting lesbian sex as "sick and abnormal". Double standard much?

Fourth, if you actually wanted to marry a shoe, I know a guy who will marry you.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Gg5SwyTvAHw

He would make a far better president than you would.

FortWayne says

If you can skin it, butcher it and eat it, why not marry it while at it.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!

Have you been skinning, butchering, and eating gay people?!!?!?

FortWayne says

It's all same pointless liberal made up fantasy bs anyway.

You mean pointless liberals like the Congress in 1868 when the 14th Amendment was ratified? Yeah, all the hippies in the 60s -- well 1860s -- who infiltrated Congress.

FortWayne says

This has been proven even to you, multiple times, that there is scientific evidence.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/OaiSHcHM0PA

FortWayne, show me the money!

Marriage may or may not have a purpose, but it should remain a choice.

Choice is a beautiful thing. This is why I do not understand why some conservatives dislike gay people. It is a personal choice made out of love.

I strongly support same-sex marriage.

Yes, individuals must be responsible for their choices. However, as a society, we must also encourage choice-making.

Fortune favors the bold. Prejudice is a weakness.

OMG! I just had a revelation. FortWayne is PUTIN!!!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/NoahZnqh5SI

Think about it. Same bigotry thinly veiled as concern for children. And you never seen Putin and Fort Wayne at the same time. And aren't the Waynes known for their alter egos? My only question is who is Fort Wayne's Robin? You know, his ambiguously gay boy he hands around way too much? Oh, snap, it's SoftShell.

Come to think of it, "soft shell" sounds like a euphemism for anus. Let me Putin my batarang in your soft shell. The Reagan avatar is a reference to his stimulus trickling down soft shell's rear. It all makes sense now.

And Nadya Tolokonnikova is cat woman.

I garnered you were thick about 40 or so threads ago....so let me spell it out in babytalk for you.

By you recommending to me that I should "aspire" to go back in time and commit heinous acts, you are giving tacit approval for that action.
By extrapolation, if you are approving of, and recommending that action to me, you most certainly are 'aspiring' that I construct such a vehicle and execute your sick twisted wet dream.
gaa gaa gaa daa daa daa.

sbh says

I said "you should aspire", as any literate person could grasp, but you needed to fob it off as my aspiration.

You can go and clean yourself up now....hope you didn't wake the neighbors!

Dan8267 says

OMG! I just had a revelation. FortWayne is PUTIN!!!

Dan8267 says

But I'll accept your principle when it comes to the right to bare arms. You can bare the exact arms that were available when the Second Amendment was written and nothing more. In other words, you can have a musket, but not a pistol, rifle, or shotgun.

Bearing arms is defined as "one man and one musket". We don't need to redefine arms to include sickos who want to shoot pistols, shotguns, and rifles. Those things harm society and harm children.

SoftShell says

You can go and clean yourself up now....hope you didn't wake the neighbors!

Dan8267 says

OMG! I just had a revelation. FortWayne is PUTIN!!!

How did you know I was banging your wife?

As an aside, when you have to reply to yourself, that is a major indication that no one else gives a fuck about what you said.....

Dan8267 says

Dan8267 says

But I'll accept your principle when it comes to the right to bare arms. You can bare the exact arms that were available when the Second Amendment was written and nothing more. In other words, you can have a musket, but not a pistol, rifle, or shotgun.

Bearing arms is defined as "one man and one musket". We don't need to redefine arms to include sickos who want to shoot pistols, shotguns, and rifles. Those things harm society and harm children.

ohhhhhhhhhhhh.......that hoits sooooooooooooooo much!

Dan8267 says

SoftShell says

You can go and clean yourself up now....hope you didn't wake the neighbors!

Dan8267 says

OMG! I just had a revelation. FortWayne is PUTIN!!!

How did you know I was banging your wife?

SoftShell says

FYI, when you have to reply to yourself, that is a major indication that no one else gives a fuck about what you said.....

Actually, no that does not follow like the rest of your reasoning.

The mere fact that people follow me around disliking everything I say proves that they give a fuck.

SoftShell says

From someone named "corntrollio" this is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black...

And what if it were true? Who cares? It's not, but it's not like there's anything wrong with it. The thing about people who protest too much about this has been shown to be true among Congressmen and Christian leaders, at least. At least, it means they're being true to themselves when they finally come out instead of trying to conforming to bigotry.

You do.
You replied.

corntrollio says

And what if it were true? Who cares?

Yes you siberian bedwetter.
your ass must be jealous of the stream of shit that just emanated from your fingertips...

sbh says

SoftShell says

By you recommending to me that I should "aspire" to go back in time and commit heinous acts, you are giving tacit approval for that action.

No, you insensate mongrel, it means I was helping you achieve your stated goal of

Dan8267 says

I don't give a flying fuck about whether or not your evil church recognizes a marriage or performs a ceremony, but I sure as hell am not going to tolerate the state discriminating against homosexuals when it comes to taxes, property-rights, spousal benefits, and thousands of other rights. Why? Because I'm a real American, and real Americans believe in equality under law.

You liberals are so caught up in this gay pride and pleasure seeking frills that you are missing the big picture and killing America, while pounding your chests screaming that you are true Americans with some special "rights".

So let me make it more clear for those who don't understand what is wrong with you people

1) Family.
Family unit, is a basic building block of every society. Family is what teaches young minds the important things in life. Family builds character, teaches goals, obedience and civic duty. Yet you constantly undermine family by promoting homosexuality, and drugs, and undermine obedience and civic duty. No wonder your child will just mouth you off one day, take up drugs, grow up gay, or do time in prison after killing you because you asked him to move up at the age of 40, you never taught him/her any better.

2) Media
All there is on liberal media is constant stream of adultery and filth. And that robs off on young minds who grow up and repeat that constantly advertised behavior.

3) Education.

Education is supposed to help a child develop into a complete adult by focusing on academics, character development, morality and social values. But you liberals didn't like that, because morality goes against your principles of gays, lesbians and adultery, so you filtered all the morality and character building out of education. 10 commandments out the window. Now education is nothing but some hollow useless art academia. And as result children are growing up in this society hollow, with no morals or social values. And one day those young empty souls will grow up to be bankers, and will take your shelter away. Good thing some of you can still add 2 numbers together without a smart phone and talk fancy about art.

3) Government overreach
When you filter out morality, you invite evil. And in an immoral society there will never be enough laws. But you don't care, you people just pile up more and more laws and filter out more and more morality. A government will beat a working man into submission to pay huge portion of his income as taxes, but it'll ignore the government crook stealing those tax dollars. Where is the morality in that, or maybe we need another law on top of the previous million laws making that illegal?