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They're not only not at all Indian or Mestiso, they're also not at all disadvantaged. Many of the ones I knew in University lived in $2000+/month apartments by themselves, paid for by their wealthy families in Sao Paolo - in the 90s.
Same here, I knew a bunch of them, living in prime locations in Boston, during those days.
Same here, I knew a bunch of them, living in prime locations in Boston, during those days.
Yep, me too - same city.
I should also mention one absolutely bristled at the suggestion he was even partially Indian, and the surest way to get in a fistfight with a Mexican is to insinuate - even in the nicest way - that he may have Black ancestry.
Which is highly likely, since millions of Black Slaves from Africa arrived at Santa Cruz, and they're weren't taken up in Dr. Funkenstein's Spaceship after Mexican Indepedence.
Same here, I knew a bunch of them, living in prime locations in Boston, during those days.
Yep, me too - same city.
The thing here is that if one's rich, one should go through the *white* path.. Take classes, ala carte, at Harvard, Duke, Columbia, MIT, etc, [ pay for each class, out of pocket ] and transfer into the full time program.
There's no need to insult the middle class applicant or attendant by pretending to have merit.
The scholarships, etc, should be for those who need the money. The rich kids, *Latin* or otherwise, have plenty of backdoors into the schools.
Oh, there's no doubt about it. People don't realize how many Argentines, Brazilians, and lilywhite 100% Castillian or German or Italian Ancestry individuals take advantage to go to US Schools.
Same here, I knew a bunch of them, living in prime locations in Boston, during those days
Well I don't realize how many or know a bunch of them. I didn't see them at university. You guys want to put some numbers to this or is this going to be pure anecdotal?
WTF you guys are telling me people waltz into the country on a student visa and get scholarships just on ethnicity? Prove it. Show something from a university somewhere backing this up. You're saying foreign students get admission preference over local in state students. Prove it. What about in state vs out of state tuition? Wouldn't the mythiical poor 4th generation italian kid pay in state rates?
You guys want to put some numbers to this or is this going to be pure anecdotal?
Yes, it's anecdotal because no one I knew, got into Harvard graduate school with a 3.2 GPA and a Latin scholarship but happened to have a rich white Texan dad, retired in Mexico City with his Mexican sweetheart.
Again, Columbia Univ, 3.1 GPA & scholarship, but mother, a millionaire in Sao Paulo Brazil. She was white Portuguese.
Another guy, 3.0 GPA, Brown Univ Masters program but with rich family in Rio de Janeiro, mixed Spanish & Italian.
And the list goes on ...
In contrast, every white or Asian person in the aforementioned situations had 3.5-4.0 GPAs, and the only rich one of the pack, had his family put him up in London, getting his MS at London School of Economics before arriving at Univ of Chicago for his PhD.
Again, Columbia Univ, 3.1 GPA & scholarship, but mother, a millionaire in Sao Paulo Brazil. She was white Portuguese.
Another guy, 3.0 GPA, Brown Univ Masters program but with rich family in Rio de Janeiro, mixed Spanish & Italian.
and you just happened to know these people, their gpa and their family situation even though they went to a different school or are you claiming you went to harvard, columbia, and brown? As well as knowing every white and asian person, their gpa's and family situation. Pretty f'ing remarkable. Didn't you also claim you aced your mcats, but aren't a doctor? Nice to be on the internet were you can be anyone you want to be.
the list goes on.
WTF is a "latin scholarship", I've never heard the term. But I didn't go to harvard, brown, and columbia either so I may have missed out. Of course I didn't know the gpa and income of everyone I went to school with either. or anyone I went to school with actually.
As for me, I work for a hedge fund, thus, medical school is on hold until I get my cash out. Remember, I want to be a researcher, not a greedy Anesthesiologist, so I can't afford to borrow money for additional schooling.
Latin Scholarship in this case refers to a myriad of scholarships granted to persons who're declared of Hispanic descent, which is a geographic demarcation of sorts. And these scholarships were not based upon having financial difficulties.
As for specific stats from specific colleges, heck, even my school would never disclose the graduating GPAs of Latin-Hispanic vs White or Asian.
On the other hand, medicine seems to track the whole GPA/MCAT indices well so here's a chart ...
https://www.aamc.org/download/321498/data/2012factstable19.pdf
In it, you can see that the White & Asian pools have the highest MCAT average and that particular exam levels the playing field as non-science GPAs, etc, have a lot of fluctuation based upon depts, schools, instructors, etc.
atin Scholarship in this case refers to a myriad of scholarships granted to persons who're declared of Hispanic descent, which is a geographic demarcation of sorts. And these scholarships were not based upon having financial difficulties.
And that is self-declared, I am sure. So you merely claim to be Hispanic, and you are instantly a disadvantaged minority, or perhaps more accurately, an underrepresented minority as even if you are a billionaire you become entitled.
Quite a while ago, I had contacted the SF Bay Area SBA office and asked about their minority loan program. According to the office, to be considered to be a Hispanic minority all you had to do was to declare that you were Hispanic. But to be considered as a native American, you could not merely self declare. You had to provide proof that you were on a tribal register.
to be considered to be a Hispanic minority all you had to do was to declare that you were Hispanic.
And what's a better way of validating that, than in getting a Mailboxes etc address, south of the border.
Seriously, there's probably a big business idea here, for eastern Europeaners who want to come to America.
I think that gal at Harvard could rent out a room in her dad's mansion in Mexico City.
to be considered to be a Hispanic minority all you had to do was to declare that you were Hispanic.
And what's a better way of validating that, than in getting a Mailboxes etc address, south of the border.
Seriously, there's probably a big business idea here, for eastern Europeaners who want to come to America.
I think that gal at Harvard could rent out a room in her dad's mansion in Mexico City.
There is an easy solution to all this: DNA profiling of anyone claiming admission or financial aid based on race.
With DNA testing it easy enough to prove if that latino applicant has ANY minority heritage or not.
There are Germans living in Argentina- have they been so transformed!
By the way, in the 60's or 70's Italian Americans WERE given preferential treatment at NYC college as they also claimed "minority" status and were granted it.
and they are still seeking it!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/15/nyregion/15italians.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Sotomayor is no minority, her ass alone took a census team of 6 complete.
There are Germans living in Argentina- they been so transformed!
By the way, in the 60's or 70's Italian Americans WERE given preferential treatment at NYC college as they also claimed "minority" status and were granted it.
and they are still seeking it!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/15/nyregion/15italians.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
The methodology is sound - illustrate under-representation, and that's it. Well, it won't quite work that way unless the federal and state governments say you can do that, and everone cannot.
The law of the land once acted to limit entry of undesirable Italians, eastern and southern Europeans, and Jews. Maybe they should open up affirmative action to these groups, too.
There are Germans living in Argentina- they been so transformed!
By the way, in the 60's or 70's Italian Americans WERE given preferential treatment at NYC college as they also claimed "minority" status and were granted it.
and they are still seeking it!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/15/nyregion/15italians.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
The methodology is sound - illustrate under-representation, and that's it. Well, it won't quite work that way unless the federal and state governments say you can do that, and everone cannot.
The law of the land once acted to limit entry of undesirable Italians, eastern and southern Europeans, and Jews. Maybe they should open up affirmative action to these groups, too.
And once everyone has claimed it, then Anglo- Saxon-Americans can claim it too! They will be the first triple hyphenated ethnic group to claim such status.
With DNA testing it easy enough to prove if that latino applicant has ANY minority heritage or not.
The problem with that is that almost everyone has 5% of something other. Plus, continental Spain is basically white but is somehow, seen as Latin heritage whereas the French and Italians are not Latin, despite their linguistic roots being identical ... a.k.a. Caesar's language, Latin.
This whole thing is a farce, as in New Zealand, half-Maori/half-English students can get full STEM scholarships to places like Auckland university, for being disadvantaged, despite having fair-to-olive skin & round eyes, whereas an Afghan or Cambodian family, who'd fled a true genocide, gets nothing. No one in NZ talks about this, as it's not PC, but that's what's going on.
seen as Latin heritage whereas the French and Italians are not Latin, despite their linguistic roots being identical ... a.k.a. Caesar's language, Latin.
Latin originated in Italy near Rome in an area called Latium
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/332009/Latium
According to the office, to be considered to be a Hispanic minority all you had to do was to declare that you were Hispanic.
So if I change all the Z's in my last name to S's then claim to be Hispanic, then I get preferential treatment, right?
Sorry, no affirmative action for Scalia, in spite of the fact that the USA passed a law to keep his brethren out of the country.
Immigration Act of 1924
AND despite Roosevelt tossing Italians into concentration camps during World War II http://www.segreta.org/
Research Finds that Atheists are Most Hated and Distrusted Minority
Study: Atheists distrusted as much as rapists
Atheists are one of the most disliked groups in America.
By the standards of Affirmative Action and all other preferential treatment, each atheist should get a billion dollars, his own private island, and a supermodel to fuck. So much for AA being "fair". My people were burnt at the stake for heresy. We've paid our dues as a minority.
On the other hand, medicine seems to track the whole GPA/MCAT indices well so here's a chart ...
https://www.aamc.org/download/321498/data/2012factstable19.pdf
For the matriculated students, given the fact that the Asian-American MCAT mean is a 32.5, which clearly exceeds the so-called good score of a 30-31, you could almost say that they face discrimination in medical school admissions.
And how much would you bet that those who didn't declare their race, the 32.6 mean, were also Asian but didn't want to get tagged into that category?
I haven't delved much into it, but there's a guy named Ron Utz or Ouz or something, who claims that affirmative action is more about keeping enough Asians and Jews out to keep space open for Alumni Admissions, particularly in the Ivy Leagues for "Alumni Heritage Admissions"
who claims that affirmative action is more about keeping enough Asians and Jews out to keep space open for Alumni Admissions, particularly in the Ivy Leagues for "Alumni Heritage Admissions"
Of course that data is kept quiet at Ivy schools, however, isn't the medical school/MCAT summary report almost proof of that phenomena, at least for Asian-Americans?
I mean a 32.6 MCAT mean for an entire demographic is nothing to laugh at. In effect, the way that converts, in terms of an absolute type of grading system, no institutional, nor departmental, nor grade inflation bias, 29.5-31.99 = B+, 32-33.99 = A-, 34-35.99 = A, 36 & above is an A+, and 40 and above is a perfect score.
Thus, many admissions to medical school is an A- applicant from the Asian pool whereas others get to have a profile of B's and B+'s.
I haven't delved much into it, but there's a guy named Ron Utz or Ouz or something, who claims that affirmative action is more about keeping enough Asians and Jews out to keep space open for Alumni Admissions, particularly in the Ivy Leagues for "Alumni Heritage Admissions"
Wouldn't matter if that was the intended goal, or not, as it has achieved that.
Let's look at the dynamics:
If you are a legacy applicant, you are in, like in Animal House. A liberal talking head simpleton on one of the Sunday political shows basically implied that no minorities benefited from legacy admission, as if there were no minority Ivy League grads. That would have to be insulting, and portrays what might be described as "good racism" but racism none the less.
If you are wealthy and connected, you can get your moron kid into the top schools because you know people, or are wealthy enough to gift to the school.
If you are minority, or even Spanish or Spanish pretend, but not Asian, you get in with lower qualifications meaning that you took a better qualified applicant's spot.
The rest have to compete based upon qualifications. That includes lots of poor, lower middle class white kids and Asians.
If you are wealthy and connected, you can get your moron kid into the top schools because you know people, or are wealthy enough to gift to the school.
It goes beyond that ... a wealthy person, alumni or not, has backdoors into schools. One is called the special students program, ppl who take 4 to 8 classes, paying full price ala carte, and have a high chance of transfer admissions into the BA program.
Thus, the best thing for a well off Asian family to do is that instead of torturing their kids to get a 4.0/perfect SATs/captain of every sports team type of resume, instead have them take courses at an ivy, as a special student and not go through the general admissions process.
These schools welcome rich ppl and have ways of getting 'em through the system. The key is not to make a scene and try to appear to compete against the regulars from Philips Academy, Horace Mann, Stuyvesant, etc. The middler classers have their path but the rich ones, have a better one.
hese schools welcome rich ppl and have ways of getting 'em through the system. The key is not to make a scene and try to appear to compete against the regulars from Philips Academy, Horace Mann, Stuyvesant, etc. The middler classers have their path but the rich ones, have a better one.
Interesting. GWB was admitted to the number one graduate business school in the USA, had terrible academic and work experience qualifications, and as neither parent had attended Harvard, he was not a legacy.
It somewhat amazes me that politicians continually extoll the concept of the level playing field. Most americans know that is bull, from every socioeconomic segment.
No one in NZ talks about this, as it's not PC, but that's what's going on.
What about your senator Elizabeth Warren? Didn't she also claim Cherokee heritage?
Stanford supposedly has ties with some expensive private school for the elite, rich dumkopfs in Palo Alto, a private junior college aka mini Princeton, where they go for two years then transfer into upper division at Stanford.
They graduate with the Stanford undergraduate degree. Bypasses the standard application process neatly.
No one in NZ talks about this, as it's not PC, but that's what's going on.
What about your senator Elizabeth Warren? Didn't she also claim Cherokee heritage?
Like other senators, she flip-flops on this, depending on what impression she wants to make. Sure, she had the grades for general admissions to a regular program, like Houston or GW, back in her youth but I believe that Cherokee status helped her in finding a professor job at Penn or Harvard, as those are extremely competitive slots for any off-the-street applicant.
This is damning evidence...
Blurtman says
"We've got to keep up the charade.", confided the portly lawyer. "My career depends on it."
Collections aren't quite the same during the recession periods.
Meanwhile an Italian kid from four generations doing manual labor in South Boston or Brooklyn, single mother, can't get a break.
It somewhat amazes me that politicians continually extoll the concept of the level playing field. Most americans know that is bull, from every socioeconomic segment.
If the playing field were in fact level ... the field of finance, with its bonuses and access to key information, would have nothing but geniuses.
Instead, what you'll see are mediocre cronies, stupid ppl, and then, more stupid ppl but one's who'd come from well-off backgrounds, and of course a few so-called smart *type A* psychopaths. Our firm has exploited this "rogue" image into up-selling our firm as something completely different.
The general smart ones seem to be the young analysts, who get suckered into accepting an entry level job but then, burn out after a year or two. This field is not for thinking persons but ppl who're social climbers & rogues.
Too expensive.
Why not hold an open buffet, with spaghetti O's to the left, enchaladas to the right, etc..etc...and implement pinhole cameras to record the migration patterns..
With DNA testing it easy enough to prove if that latino applicant has ANY minority heritage or not.
Why don't you try the internet??
I can't find this anywhere on the intternet.
Thank you Daniel Webster. Let he who is without typo cast the first stone. Or you could try thinking and addressing the issues instead of being the typo nazi. What a concept.
Oh..it's just an innocuous semi-humorless one-liner....dumbed down and designed to entertain the sbh's of the world.
Why don't you try the internet??
I can't find this anywhere on the intternet.
Thank you Daniel Webster. Let he who is without typo cast the first stone. Or you could try thinking and addressing the issues instead of being the typo nazi. What a concept.
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Yes, if they are from South America, says Justice Sotomayor. "By emgirating to Buenos Aires instead of New York, these Italian immigrants have been transformed into Latin Americans, a reviled and disadvantaged people." said the Supreme Court Justice. "We've got to keep up the charade.", confided the portly lawyer. "My career depends on it."