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Does the Alameda County Fair attract a disproportionate amount of attractive women?

Only if you consider tranny types attractive.
zzyzzx says

Does the Alameda County Fair attract a disproportionate amount of attractive women?

Obligatory:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZT1FOANwmNY

zzyzzx says

I am still having trouble understanding why this is illegal.

No you're right it shouldn't be. And it shouldn't be illegal for Fathers to track these scumbags down and beat them to death with a baseball bat either.

Or for all of the Men at the fair to have grabbed that guy and thrown him in the turkey fryer.

It's all just good ole summer time fun!

CaptainShuddup says

zzyzzx says

I am still having trouble understanding why this is illegal.

No you're right it shouldn't be. And it shouldn't be illegal for Fathers to track these scumbags down and beat them to death with a baseball bat either.

Or for all of the Men at the fair to have grabbed that guy and thrown him in the turkey fryer.

It's all just good ole summer time fun!

Had the guy kidnapped the girl and forced her under threat of violence to perform in a porn movie I'd agree with you, I might even take a couple of swings myself.

But that's not what happened

The man simply offered a chance for the young woman to enter into a legal, highly lucrative career that requires nothing more than her God given gifts and a certain moral flexibility. She said no thanks and that was it. No need for violence.

New Renter says

Was Romeo's age ever specified?

Somewhere in the span of 13-15, I believe.

CaptainShuddup says

No you're right it shouldn't be. And it shouldn't be illegal for Fathers to track these scumbags down and beat them to death with a baseball bat either.

Or for all of the Men at the fair to have grabbed that guy and thrown him in the turkey fryer.

And then the mothers, fathers, brothers, cousins of these men can revenge murder the murderers and their family, thus setting up a Hatfield/McCoy feud that will span states and decades. Good job.

One person's "scumbag" is another person's beloved child, and chances are those family members will view you as "scumbags" attacking their family and react to you the exact same way to are reacting to the people you don't like. Remember, most Americans are just like you; they think their family is infinitely more important than yours.

Dan8267 says

The definition of pedophilia should be based on biology, not culture. It should not change at the whim of the populace.

So based on biology, what should the American definition of pedophilia be?

New Renter says

a certain moral flexibility

That presupposes there is anything immoral about pornography or sexual experience. I have yet to hear any rational justification for such an assumption.

Yes, there are practical consequences and trade-offs between pursuing short-term and long-term sexual relations. But they are practical and emotional consequences, not moral ones.

No one has ever even proposes a reasonable reason why consenting adult prostitution is immoral in any way, shape, or form. Again, one must distinguish between consequences in the realm of practical relationships and emotional connections versus actual immoral behavior.

Of course, most people are just too intellectually lazy to even think about what "immoral behavior" actually means in the first place. So it's not surprising they throw the term around as loosely as Miley Cyrus throws her clothes when she sees a construction site.

Dan8267 says

And then the mothers, fathers, brothers, cousins of these men can revenge murder the murderers and their family, thus setting up a Hatfield/McCoy feud that will span states and decades.

Blood feuds are very conservatarian: no liberal courts or prisons, so no job killing taxes.

That's why Somalia and Sierra Leone enjoy a standard of economic productivity which is envy of the world!

Wait until the thought police catch you dreaming of the moment from your youth, when you lost your virginity to a 14 yr old gal, on your 14th birthday. If you become aroused and pleasure yourself to the memory, you will be locked away in a private prison with all the pot smokers, and forced to assemble office furniture for 0.67 cents a day, of which the usgov is contractually obligated to purchase at 10x mark ups, to replace similar, like new, office furniture they purchased just twelve months prior.

Rightfully so

And all those that profit

Dan8267 says

So it makes no sense to chastise young teens for wanting sex or being sexual beings while pretending that humans are in their sexual prime between 40 and 70. That's just bullshit.

Yeech!

Dan8267 says

Short of manipulating the human genome, there is nothing you can do to keep teenagers asexual and seniors sexual. Now if we did tweak the genome to delay puberty until age 30, we could satisfy our culture's arbitrary desire to make people have no sex in their teens and more sex 30 to 70, but there is a price. Instead of supporting your kids for 18 to 22 years, you have to support them for 40 years. Are you prepared to pay that price to keep your daughters from having sex in their teens?

I disagree. There are plenty of drugs warning of loss of sexual desire - propecia, antidepresents and chemo come to mind:

http://www.drugwatch.com/propecia/side-effects/

http://depression.about.com/od/sexualdysfunction/a/sexdysfunction.htm

http://chemocare.com/chemotherapy/side-effects/loss-of-libido.aspx#.U7w0vECAM6k

Plenty of drugs (like viagra and propecia) are sold SPECIFICALLY for thier side effects. Viagra was originally a heart medication:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/27/health/viagra-anniversary-timeline/index.html

Propecia was developed to treat (and still is used to) enlarged prostates:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride

This could be a whole new market for pharma companies! Drugs to suppress your child developing libido until they are "fully developed adults" say late 30s. That will let them focus on the important things in life like working themselves to death at a crappy job to raise money for a house and/or playing sports with the dream of going pro. No more teen pregnancy, no more hormonally challenged teenage boys causing trouble. It'll be the 1950s ultra conservatives always dreamed of!

HydroCabron says

Blood feuds are very conservatarian

Yes, it's a defining element of conservative culture. They have a tribal, Stone Age mentality. Must kill all neighbors before they kill me.

Strategist says

So based on biology, what should the American definition of pedophilia be?

Hmm... In the days of completely shaven nether-regions, this may not work.

Dan8267 says

Yes, it's a defining element of conservative culture. They have a tribal, Stone Age mentality. Must kill all neighbors before they kill me.

If you use any metal beyond bronze, own a wheel, or write on anything but wet clay, you are a RINO!

Strategist says

So based on biology, what should the American definition of pedophilia be?

If someone is old enough to be tried as an adult for murder and be subject to the death penalty, that person is old enough to consent to sex.

It makes no sense to say the state can kill a person because he/she is old enough to commit a capital offense but that person is not old enough to consent to sex.

Dan8267 says

So you can pretend that adulthood doesn't really start until 30, but your body
performs its reproductive cycles between 11 and 28, and then rapidly diminishes

It would be ironic if all the intelligent people who are delaying marriage/having kids in order to obtain degrees and establish their careers in the end will end up outbred by those who don't go to college and have 3 kids by the age of 24.

dublin hillz says

It would be ironic if all the intelligent people who are delaying marriage/having kids in order to obtain degrees and establish their careers in the end will end up outbred by those who don't go to college and have 3 kids by the age of 24.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/icmRCixQrx8

Strategist says

Biology and evolution states, IMO, if you are old enough to get pregnant, you are old enough to have sex. Even if it's an old man, because he can get you pregnant. We must, however, remember, that biology dictates we live in societies for our survival, and our society dictates that pedophilia, as defined by us is just not acceptable.

Also in the old days the average lifespan of a person was just 25 years. If you don't start having babies as a teenager we would end up extinct.

So by that definition post-menopausal women are too old and/or icky for sex.

When was the average lifespan of a person ever 25 years? You have bad data, strategist

New Renter says

Strategist says

Biology and evolution states, IMO, if you are old enough to get pregnant, you are old enough to have sex. Even if it's an old man, because he can get you pregnant. We must, however, remember, that biology dictates we live in societies for our survival, and our society dictates that pedophilia, as defined by us is just not acceptable.

Also in the old days the average lifespan of a person was just 25 years. If you don't start having babies as a teenager we would end up extinct.

So by that definition post-menopausal women are too old and/or icky for sex.

Post menopausal won't be as attractive as a 25 year old, but neither will men in their 50's. So, I guess that evens things out.
For some reason I prefer a bit older women because girls, close to my children's age turns me off.

I hypothesized in the McDonalds thread that most Pat.net posters are childless. This thread proves it.

New Renter says

Recruiting young women for the porn industry is not the same as recruiting women as prostitutes.

Why? You don't think porn actresses are prostitutes?

errc says

When was the average lifespan of a person ever 25 years?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy
Life expectancy variation over time
Neolithic - 20 years
Bronze Age and Iron Age - 26
Classical Greece - 28

dodgerfanjohn says

I hypothesized in the McDonalds thread that most Pat.net posters are childless. This thread proves it.

The correct term is Childfree or Bratfree.

New Renter says

So by that definition post-menopausal women are too old and/or icky for sex.

I'd gone with 30, but that's just me.

Strategist says

On your first quote you imply evolution dictates teenagers need to start breeding. On the second one you imply killing with a stone age mentality is not acceptable. Both were essential for our survival, based on survival of the fittest.

Why is one OK, but not the other?

Murdering your neighbors was a viable strategy in the Stone Age; it's not today.

Some instinct from the Stone Age still works in the Modern Age. Other instinct doesn't. It doesn't take a genius to figure out which is which. Nurturing children still works. Clubbing the guy next door and dragging his wife off by the hair doesn't.

Strategist says

Just because it was OK in the past does not mean it must be OK today, or in the future.

Ah, but there always has to be a reason. And culture is not a good reason to outlaw or accept a behavior. Slavery and genocide weren't "good" simply because Bronzed Age societies practiced them.

Dan8267 says

Murdering your neighbors was a viable strategy in the Stone Age; it's not today.

We now call it a preemptive strike. Still a viable strategy, unless BOTH SIDES agree it's not a viable strategy.

Heraclitusstudent says

New Renter says

Recruiting young women for the porn industry is not the same as recruiting women as prostitutes.

Why? You don't think porn actresses are prostitutes?

No. Neither does the law:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/12/colb.pornography/index.html?iref=allsearch

Post menopausal won't be as attractive as a 25 year old, but neither will men in their 50's. So, I guess that evens things out.

An 80 year old oligarch will be damned attractive to many under 30yo hotties.

Strategist says

Dan8267 says

Murdering your neighbors was a viable strategy in the Stone Age; it's not today.

We now call it a preemptive strike. Still a viable strategy, unless BOTH SIDES agree it's not a viable strategy.

Doesn't work whether you are talking about individuals in a neighborhood or nation-states with nukes. In the former case, you end up in prison. In the later case, you end up with extinction.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

Dan8267 says

Murdering your neighbors was a viable strategy in the Stone Age; it's not today.

We now call it a preemptive strike. Still a viable strategy, unless BOTH SIDES agree it's not a viable strategy.

Doesn't work whether you are talking about individuals in a neighborhood or nation-states with nukes. In the former case, you end up in prison. In the later case, you end up with extinction.

Unless you live in Florida. Then its just dandy.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

Dan8267 says

Murdering your neighbors was a viable strategy in the Stone Age; it's not today.

We now call it a preemptive strike. Still a viable strategy, unless BOTH SIDES agree it's not a viable strategy.

Doesn't work whether you are talking about individuals in a neighborhood or nation-states with nukes. In the former case, you end up in prison. In the later case, you end up with extinction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemptive_war

and the 1981 Israeli attack on Iraq's nuclear facility at Osirak as examples of the counter-proliferation self-help paradigm.[34] Regarding the Osirak attack, Roberts noted that at the time, few legal scholars argued in support of the Israeli attack but notes further that, "subsequent events demonstrated the perspicacity of the Israelis, and some scholars have re-visited that attack arguing that it was justified under anticipatory self-defense."[35] Following the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, American forces captured a number of documents detailing conversations that Sadaam Hussein had with his inner sanctum.[36] The archive of documents and recorded meetings confirm that Hussein was indeed aiming to strike at Israel.[36] In a 1982 conversation Hussein stated that, "Once Iraq walks out victorious, there will not be any Israel." Of Israel's anti-Iraqi endeavors he noted, "Technically, they [the Israelis] are right in all of their attempts to harm Iraq."[36]

dodgerfanjohn says

I hypothesized in the McDonalds thread that most Pat.net posters are childless. This thread proves it.

I'm raising a 13 y.o. daughter and 15 y.o. son so this is in my wheelhouse

New Renter says

Dan8267 says

Murdering your neighbors was a viable strategy in the Stone Age; it's not today.

Unless you live in Florida. Then its just dandy.

Florida is in the Stone Age.

Strategist says

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemptive_war

Do you really want America engaging in the tit-for-tat warfare that dominates the Middle East? A pre-emptive strike that doesn't result in genocide eventually results in retaliation. A pre-emptive strike intended to result in genocide in the nuclear age will most likely lead to WWIII and the end of our species.

Given the legality of gay marriage, we have nothing to lose.
Dan8267 says

Strategist says

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemptive_war

Do you really want America engaging in the tit-for-tat warfare that dominates the Middle East? A pre-emptive strike that doesn't result in genocide eventually results in retaliation. A pre-emptive strike intended to result in genocide in the nuclear age will most likely lead to WWIII and the end of our species.

Zimmerman is innocent.
Dan8267 says

New Renter says

Dan8267 says

Murdering your neighbors was a viable strategy in the Stone Age; it's not today.

Unless you live in Florida. Then its just dandy.

Florida is in the Stone Age.

Dan8267 says

The thing is that no matter how much we attempt to prolong childhood, we still age at the exact same rate as our Stone Age ancestors.

Earlier, if possible. We have better diet; most people - including most non-Westerners - have never experienced a famine in childhood or at any time.

Famines delay the onset of puberty. In Medieval England, you could pretty much count on a famine every 3-4, and a bad one every 7 years.

The main way to delay the onset of puberty today is to engage in sports that require strict weight control and incur compression stress - like Gymnastics.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8122511

thunderlips11 says

The main way to delay the onset of puberty today is to engage in sports that require strict weight control and incur compression stress - like Gymnastics.

Shit, CIC must have done a lot of gymnastics. I guess naked leapfrog with goats must count.