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Point taken. We stole everything from the native Americans. But now what? Americans today have nothing to do with what happened in the past. Most Americans came well after the genocide. Today's Americans cannot be held responsible.

Yes, today's Americans don't confine Indians to reservations. Indians vote in the same elections with everybody else.

Can Palestinians vote in Israeli elections, can they travel freely anywhere in Israel-Palestine without special Israeli government permission and without Palestinian-only checkpoints?

Common sense shows the rebels are responsible. Evidence will undoubtedly follow. The Russians are cornered, I can tell you that.

Can you amplify this remark? What gains Russia or the Rebels to shoot down a civilian airliner?

The Russians aren't cornered, in fact, once again Putin turned the tables on American encirclement and aggression in Eurasia. By giving press conferences, turning over the black boxes, guiding the Malaysian investigators, Russia and the Donbass Freedom Fighters are showing good faith.

In contrast to what US Politicians, the lapdog MSM, and their Banderastan are demonstrating - nothing but empty accusations.

Again, the Ukies still haven't released their ATC recordings and tracking, which was confiscated by SBU (Ukie "Intel") days ago.

The immediate question is, where are the Ukie ATC recordings and why are they not being released?

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Strategist 2014 Jul 22, 11:45am

Strategist says

Common sense shows the rebels are responsible. Evidence will undoubtedly follow. The Russians are cornered, I can tell you that.

Can you amplify this remark? What gains Russia or the Rebels to shoot down a civilian airliner?

Russia does not gain, which is why I know they did not do it. The rebels do not gain either, as it hurts their cause, but they screwed up. Now their cause is wounded. Too bad.

Can Palestinians vote in Israeli elections, can they travel freely anywhere in Israel-Palestine without special Israeli government permission and without Palestinian-only checkpoints?

Don't they have to be citizens of Israel first? The Israeli Arabs can vote.
Why would Israel allow a people that hates them to freely travel in Israel? Do you think this problem would even arise if Hamas was destroyed?
The world can solve all the major problems there by destroying Hamas.

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MisdemeanorRebel 2014 Jul 22, 1:01pm

Why would Israel allow a people that hates them to freely travel in Israel? Do you think this problem would even arise if Hamas was destroyed?

The world can solve all the major problems there by destroying Hamas.

Why do the Palestinians hate Israel? Because European Jews took over their land. Only about 10% of 1947 Israel was Jewish owned. It was a land grab.

King David Hotel Bombing - an act of terrorism. Deir Yassin - which Albert Einstein condemned. And many, many others - and not just by Irgun.

By destroying the Israeli state, born of silly 19th Century Nationalism, we can eliminate a huge problem. Jews should get land in Bavaria instead, which is what Theodor Hertzl actually wanted (he hated Jerusalem).

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Strategist 2014 Jul 22, 1:05pm

Strategist says

Russia does not gain, which is why I know they did not do it. The rebels do not gain either, as it hurts their cause, but they screwed up. Now their cause is wounded. Too bad.

So according to you, the russians didn't shoot it down. The rebels unintentionally shot it down? Any reason why the ukrianians didn't shoot it down? Please enlighten us..

It does not benefit them either. They have no motive. Like the Russians, they are fully capable of identifying civilian aircraft. They need permission to fly over other countries. The rebels are not likely to have that information.

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MisdemeanorRebel 2014 Jul 22, 1:09pm

It does not benefit them either. They have no motive. Like the Russians, they are fully capable of identifying civilian aircraft. They need permission to fly over other countries. The rebels are not likely to have that information.

Why did the Ukie ATC allow the plane to fly over Donetsk? Why did Ukie ATC order the plane to fly lower? Why did the Ukies pull all their BUKs out of the Donbass the day after the incident?

Why haven't Ukie ATC records been released yet?

Why are Ukie Sukhois still shelling and strafing the crash site, even when Malay investigators are present?

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Strategist 2014 Jul 22, 1:10pm

Strategist says

Why would Israel allow a people that hates them to freely travel in Israel? Do you think this problem would even arise if Hamas was destroyed?

The world can solve all the major problems there by destroying Hamas.

Why do the Palestinians hate Israel? Because European Jews took over their land. Only about 10% of 1947 Israel was Jewish owned. It was a land grab.

King David Hotel Bombing - an act of terrorism. And many others.

By destroying the Israeli state, born of silly 19th Century Nationalism, we can eliminate a huge problem. Jews should get land in Bavaria instead, which is what Theodor Hertzl actually wanted (he hated Jerusalem).

Israel claims it's their land. It's a land dispute. Who the hell cares.
I do know Hamas is a terrorist organization, who threaten my children because they are American Infidels. I do not appreciate that. I have no reason to support them.

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Strategist 2014 Jul 22, 1:11pm

Strategist says

It does not benefit them either. They have no motive. Like the Russians, they are fully capable of identifying civilian aircraft. They need permission to fly over other countries. The rebels are not likely to have that information.

Why did the Ukie ATC allow the plane to fly over Donetsk? Why did Ukie ATC order the plane to fly lower? Why did the Ukies pull all their BUKs out of the Donbass the day after the incident?

Why hasn't Ukie ATC records been released yet?

No idea. If you are blaming the Ukie, where is your evidence?

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MisdemeanorRebel 2014 Jul 22, 1:12pm

Israel claims it's their land. It's a land dispute. Who the hell cares.

Fine. Then let's stop funding Israel.

I do know Hamas is a terrorist organization, who threaten my children because they are American Infidels. I do not appreciate that. I have no reason to support them.

Hamas and Hizbollah have never targeted Americans.

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MisdemeanorRebel 2014 Jul 22, 1:18pm

No idea. If you are blaming the Ukie, where is your evidence?

The Russians have come forward with their stuff. The Rebels don't have an ATC or any kind of organized Air Defence. But the Ukies and/or NATO have ATC, Air Defence, and Satellite imagery, so where's the beef already?

What are they waiting for?

Common sense says the side that delays handing over their "evidence", while loudly accusing the other side of malfeasance, is probably the bad egg.

If the US or Ukraine had anything evidence worth a damn, it would have been released days ago.

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Strategist 2014 Jul 22, 1:18pm

Strategist says

Israel claims it's their land. It's a land dispute. Who the hell cares.

Fine. Then let's stop funding Israel.

I'm afraid if the Palestinians win, Islamists all over the world will see it as a sign from their Allah to escalate terrorism everywhere. We really do not need their crap. They need to be controlled. You engage in terrorism, you face the consequence of defeat, plain and simple.

Strategist says

I do know Hamas is a terrorist organization, who threaten my children because they are American Infidels. I do not appreciate that. I have no reason to support them.

Hamas and Hizbollah have never targeted Americans.

To me all Islamists are the same. Nothing but trouble. We have to expel them from this planet.

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Strategist 2014 Jul 22, 1:19pm

Strategist says

No idea. If you are blaming the Ukie, where is your evidence?

Don't you get it? None of us has any real evidence and we never will. It's all just speculation. Something to talk about.

Yet. Eventually we will have the evidence. Common sense says it's the rebels.

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Strategist 2014 Jul 22, 1:31pm

Strategist says

Yet. Eventually we will have the evidence. Common sense says it's the rebels.

Sure you will, when katie couric puts on her smart glasses and reads it to you off her teleprompter..

Obviously, common sense seems to be in short supply

I'm seeing that now.
You expect all the evidence to come out instantly? Our guys don't even have full access, thanks to the rebels in control.

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MisdemeanorRebel 2014 Jul 23, 2:57am

To me all Islamists are the same. Nothing but trouble. We have to expel them from this planet.

Hizbollah don't like Salafyi or Wahabism terrorist nuts or the rest of the terror-exporting Gulf States. The Wahabi scum call them "Hezboshaytan", or "Hezbo-Satan".

The Shi'a aren't exporting terrorism, it's our "Friend" Saudi Arabia, along with Qatar, that are the primary financiers of terrorism from Afghanistan to Sudan to Nigeria.

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MisdemeanorRebel 2014 Jul 23, 5:22am

Yellowcake. We have 30 minutes before a Chemical Attack by SCUDs. The USS Maddox was attacked by Torpedo Boats. The War will be paid for with Iraqi Oil. The Lusitania's July cargo of Unfrigerated Butter, Lard, and Furs from Dupont Corporation was not a euphemism. The School of the Americas doesn't teach torture. The release of the hostages before the election was a coincidence. We didn't help Saddam get chemical weapons. The F-35 is going to be the greatest aircraft ever built. The AV-8B and OV-22 aren't flying coffins. The Big Dig will come in under budget, along with the Littoral Combat Ship. Cops are your friends, only criminals want to take your rights. Mission Accomplished. Eat a high carb, low fat diet to fight obesity and diabetes. Cash is old fashioned. You can have it all. I got rich by building up companies and creating wealth and jobs. They're not refugees, they're just visiting relatives across the border. How dare Brazil charge so much for a Visa! Fracking will allow us to export LNG. We're only looking at the metadata of foreign agents.

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RWSGFY 2014 Jul 23, 5:29am

The Rebels don't have an ATC or any kind of organized Air Defence.

They have full infrastructure of Russian air defense forces at their disposal: the plane has been shot down ~50 km from the border which is well within radio link distance (they also can link by phone and even telegraph lines). BUK is capable of receiving guidance from long-distance radar systems. In fact, the SOP is to receive external guidance and use its own rudimentary guidance system for backup only when there is no link.

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MisdemeanorRebel 2014 Jul 23, 5:35am

Straw Man says

They have full infrastructure of Russian air defense forces at their disposal: the plane has been shot down ~50 km from the border which is well within radio link distance (they also can link by phone and even telegraph lines). BUK is capable of receiving guidance from long-distance radar systems. In fact, the SOP is to receive external guidance and use its own rudimentary guidance system for backup when there is no link.

Prior to this, have the Rebels shot anything down outside of MANPAD range? Nope.

Prior to this, has the Ukie Military shot down civilian aircraft by mistake in recent years*? Yep.

Did Ukie have BUKs in the Donbass Region? Yep.

Did those Ukie BUKs have direct radar and guidance vehicles a few meters away from them? Yep.

Did the alleged Rebel BUKs have direct radar and guidance systems hooked up a few meters away? Nope.

Why did the Ukie BUKs disappear the very next day from their positions? No Idea.

Why did Ukie ATC allow the plane to fly over a War Zone?
Why did Ukie ATC order MH17 to fly lower over the war zone?
Why haven't Ukie ATC records been released yet? SBU took them within hours.
Why was a Ukie Su-25 climbing towards MH17?

* and spent 8 days denying it.

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RWSGFY 2014 Jul 23, 6:13am

Prior to this, have the Rebels shot anything down outside of MANPAD range? Nope

Yes, AN-26 on July 14th at 22000ft. And bragged on the net that it was done with direct guidance from Russia. If you read Russian, read this guy, for example: https://yurasumy.livejournal.com/112924.html?thread=16320540

Pay attention to this fragment:

Do you want me translate this or you can do it yourself?

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Strategist 2014 Jul 23, 7:20am

Strategist says

Yet. Eventually we will have the evidence. Common sense says it's the rebels.

So you are saying that you actually believe what they tell you on the NEWS? That's ok if you do, I am not judging, just curious..

You are actually believing what the Russian media is saying. Are we being hypocritical here? I'm not judging either.
You don't have to dismiss everything the media says, just because they say it. They could be right too.

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Strategist 2014 Jul 23, 7:22am

Yellowcake. We have 30 minutes before a Chemical Attack by SCUDs. The USS Maddox was attacked by Torpedo Boats. The War will be paid for with Iraqi Oil. The Lusitania's July cargo of Unfrigerated Butter, Lard, and Furs from Dupont Corporation was not a euphemism. The School of the Americas doesn't teach torture. The release of the hostages before the election was a coincidence. We didn't help Saddam get chemical weapons. The F-35 is going to be the greatest aircraft ever built. The AV-8B and OV-22 aren't flying coffins. The Big Dig will come in under budget, along with the Littoral Combat Ship. Cops are your friends, only criminals want to take your rights. Mission Accomplished. Eat a high carb, low fat diet to fight obesity and diabetes. Cash is old fashioned. You can have it all. I got rich by building up companies and creating wealth and jobs.

I'm worried about you Thunderlips, what web sites have you been visiting?

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Strategist 2014 Jul 23, 7:26am