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Strategist
2014 Sep 25, 7:58am
Bullshit! We don't rape children.
Really, so all the people in the U.S. military who did rape women restricted themselves to just the 18+ crowd?
Once again, you show your utter ignorance of recent American history.
An August 1967 atrocity in which a 13-year-old Vietnamese child was raped by American MI interrogator of the Army's 196th Infantry Brigade. The soldier was convicted only of indecent acts with a child and assault. He served seven months and sixteen days for his crime.
Fuck, that's even younger than Elizabeth Smart.
If you have to go back 50 years where there was not even a conviction, it tells me you know what? WE DO NOT RAPE.
Strategist
2014 Sep 25, 8:00am
Rape Was Rampant During the Vietnam War. Why Doesn't US History Remember This?
It was rampant everywhere in the past. What's wrong with you?
Dan8267
2014 Sep 25, 8:00am
Perhaps you can answer this person's question
My two sisters got gang raped during the Vietnam War. Those USA marines are like hungry horny animal ravashing both my sisters. They took both of my sisters virginities. One of my sister was only 13 at that time and a year later she committed suicide. My older sister got pregnant and gave birth to a mixed baby. The baby grew up without knowing who his father was. I didn't know about this until after I got back from fighting against the North Viet Cong in which two of my older brothers got killed.
Strategist
2014 Sep 25, 8:02am
Perhaps you can answer this person's question
My two sisters got gang raped during the Vietnam War. Those USA marines are like hungry horny animal ravashing both my sisters. They took both of my sisters virginities. One of my sister was only 13 at that time and a year later she committed suicide. My older sister got pregnant and gave birth to a mixed baby. The baby grew up without knowing who his father was. I didn't know about this until after I got back from fighting against the North Viet Cong in which two of my older brothers got killed.
What's the question?
Dan8267
2014 Sep 25, 8:03am
Journal of American History, 94 (June 2007) 154–62
They raped women and teenage girls and then killed them. Spec. Varnado Simpson admitted killing and mutilating at least twenty-five people in My Lai. “From shooting them to cutting their throats to scalping them to cutting off their hands and cutting out their tongue,†he said, “I did that.â€
America has never rape children, my ass. And this is just recent history. I haven't even touched the rapes during the Native American genocides and during slavery.
Dan8267
2014 Sep 25, 8:05am
What's the question?
Why haven't the rapes committed by American soldiers in Vietnam been investigated?
The answer is that corrupt governments do not obey laws or ethics, which is exactly why they have no problem raping teen and pre-teen boys and girls. Which brings us back to the point you tried to refute that no one working for the American government would rape a child.
Have you learned anything in this thread?
Strategist
2014 Sep 25, 8:12am
What's the question?
Why haven't the rapes committed by American soldiers in Vietnam been investigated?
The answer is that corrupt governments do not obey laws or ethics, which is exactly why they have no problem raping teen and pre-teen boys and girls. Which brings us back to the point you tried to refute that no one working for the American government would rape a child.
Have you learned anything in this thread?
Let me repeat. WE DO NOT RAPE. Where does it say we have a policy permitting rape? If an individual rapes someone he gets punished. In the past we were ALL savages, which is why we raped, murdered, plundered and pillaged. Have you been on the "Disney, Pirates of the Caribbean ride? Some people like ISIS still are savages, and we are gonna put an end to their miserable life.
Tenpoundbass
2014 Sep 25, 8:35am
In the past we were ALL savages, which is why we raped, murdered, plundered and pillaged. Have you been on the "Disney, Pirates of the Caribbean ride?
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MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Sep 25, 9:13am
My name is Narmeen Saleh Al-Rubaye. I am a 27-year old Iraqi born Swedish national. I am the mother of 8-year old Zainab, who was born with cerebral palsy as a result of me being kicked in the stomach and tortured with electric shocks when I was pregnant with her.
Bullshit!
Does not compute with my bias, therefore bullshit.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Sep 25, 9:15am
America has never rape children, my ass. And this is just recent history. I haven't even touched the rapes during the Native American genocides and during slavery.
America's "Hero", military bureaucrat Powell, white washed the first investigation into My Lai. Basically, he said there was no basis and that relations between the unit and Vietnamese civilians was "Excellent".
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Sep 25, 9:17am
Let me repeat. WE DO NOT RAPE. Where does it say we have a policy permitting rape?
Well, fuck, no policy is ever broken, right? And every breakage of policy, from mild to severe, is always invariably followed by punishment, right?
You see the World as Lord of the Rings, the good elves and High Men against the Orcs. I see it as Game of Thrones.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Sep 25, 9:28am
We DO NOT RAPE!
Green was a 19-year-old college dropout when he joined the Army and deployed to Iraq. At the traffic checkpoint, near the Iraqi town of Mahmoudiya, he and fellow soldiers abused alcohol and drugs and came up with a plan to have sex with the Iraqi girl, Abeer Kassem Hamza Janabi, according to court testimony. They had watched her from the checkpoint as she performed household chores.According to testimony at his federal trial in Kentucky, Green was brought along to the girl’s home because he had spoken of wanting to kill Iraqis. A group of five soldiers entered the home on March 12, 2006, while a sixth stood guard at the checkpoint.
Two soldiers took the girl into a room and raped her while Green held the teenager’s father, Kassem Hamza Raheem, 45; her mother, Fakhriya Taha Muhasen, 34; and 6-year-old sister, Hadeel Kassem Hamza, at gunpoint in another room.
As Abeer was being gang-raped, Green shot all three family members, according to testimony. He then raped Abeer. When he had finished, he shot her in the head. The soldiers fled, but not before burning the girl’s body. The killings occurred in an area nicknamed the "Triangle of Death" by some U.S. service members because of multiple American casualties at the hands of insurgents.
Green did not testify at his trial, but during his sentencing in 2009 he apologized for the crimes and said he expected to face "God’s justice" when he died. Federal prosecutors had sought the death sentence, but a jury instead sentenced him to five life terms. Four other soldiers were convicted or pleaded guilty in connection with the killings, but Green remained the public face of the horrific crimes.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/19/us-usa-iraq-soldier-suicide-idUSBREA1I03V20140219
(Note of course that the Pre$$titude media has to make sure excuses are present. Like killing and raping a whole family is mitigated because there are insurgents around.)
Not just Iraqi Civilians, but also other Soldiers ...
The stories are shocking in their simplicity and brutality: A female military recruit is pinned down at knifepoint and raped repeatedly in her own barracks. Her attackers hid their faces but she identified them by their uniforms; they were her fellow soldiers. During a routine gynecological exam, a female soldier is attacked and raped by her military physician. Yet another young soldier, still adapting to life in a war zone, is raped by her commanding officer. Afraid for her standing in her unit, she feels she has nowhere to turn.These are true stories, and, sadly, not isolated incidents. Women serving in the U.S. military are more likely to be raped by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire in Iraq.
The scope of the problem was brought into acute focus for me during a visit to the West Los Angeles VA Healthcare Center, where I met with female veterans and their doctors. My jaw dropped when the doctors told me that 41% of female veterans seen at the clinic say they were victims of sexual assault while in the military, and 29% report being raped during their military service. They spoke of their continued terror, feelings of helplessness and the downward spirals many of their lives have since taken.
Numbers reported by the Department of Defense show a sickening pattern. In 2006, 2,947 sexual assaults were reported -- 73% more than in 2004. The DOD's newest report, released this month, indicates that 2,688 reports were made in 2007, but a recent shift from calendar-year reporting to fiscal-year reporting makes comparisons with data from previous years much more difficult.
The Defense Department has made some efforts to manage this epidemic -- most notably in 2005, after the media received anonymous e-mail messages about sexual assaults at the Air Force Academy. The media scrutiny and congressional attention that followed led the DOD to create the Sexual Assault and Response Office. Since its inception, the office has initiated education and training programs, which have improved the reporting of cases of rapes and other sexual assaults. But more must be done to prevent attacks and to increase accountability.
At the heart of this crisis is an apparent inability or unwillingness to prosecute rapists in the ranks.
According to DOD statistics, only 181 out of 2,212 subjects investigated for sexual assault in 2007, including 1,259 reports of rape, were referred to courts-martial, the equivalent of a criminal prosecution in the military. Another 218 were handled via nonpunitive administrative action or discharge, and 201 subjects were disciplined through "nonjudicial punishment," which means they may have been confined to quarters, assigned extra duty or received a similar slap on the wrist. In nearly half of the cases investigated, the chain of command took no action; more than a third of the time, that was because of "insufficient evidence."
This is in stark contrast to the civilian trend of prosecuting sexual assault. In California, for example, 44% of reported rapes result in arrests, and 64% of those who are arrested are prosecuted, according to the California Department of Justice.
http://www.latimes.com/news/la-oe-harman31mar31-story.html
If you don't look for something, you don't find it. There is no Overtime in the Military, and why would an officer hurt their career - or anger another officer or senior enlisted man with connections? You don't get promoted that way.
Wearing the magic camo uniform doesn't stop assholes.
Strategist
2014 Sep 25, 9:40am
My name is Narmeen Saleh Al-Rubaye. I am a 27-year old Iraqi born Swedish national. I am the mother of 8-year old Zainab, who was born with cerebral palsy as a result of me being kicked in the stomach and tortured with electric shocks when I was pregnant with her.
Bullshit!
Does not compute with my bias, therefore bullshit.
Anyone can say anything. Means nada.
Strategist
2014 Sep 25, 9:43am
Let me repeat. WE DO NOT RAPE. Where does it say we have a policy permitting rape?
Well, fuck, no policy is ever broken, right? And every breakage of policy, from mild to severe, is always invariably followed by punishment, right?
You see the World as Lord of the Rings, the good elves and High Men against the Orcs. I see it as Game of Thrones.
If someone breaks the rules and rapes, lets severely punish them. That is our policy.
Therefore WE do not rape. HE, the rapist, raped.
Strategist
2014 Sep 25, 9:45am
Well, fuck, no policy is ever broken, right? And every breakage of policy, from mild to severe, is always invariably followed by punishment, right?
If that makes US rapists, then the whole world is a rapist. Because it happens everywhere. Am I right?
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Sep 25, 9:47am
If someone breaks the rules and rapes, lets severely punish them. That is our policy.
Therefore WE do not rape. HE, the rapist, raped.
You said, WE do not rape. When he took the oath of enlistment, was he not a we?
This is a no True Scotsman Argument.
Strategist
2014 Sep 25, 9:53am
If someone breaks the rules and rapes, lets severely punish them. That is our policy.
Therefore WE do not rape. HE, the rapist, raped.
You said, WE do not rape. When he took the oath of enlistment, was he not a we?
This is a no True Scotsman Argument.
The whole world are rapists with that logic. We are Americans, and everyday someone American rapes another American. So we are all guilty? All countries have rapes, so the whole world are rapists?
Bad logic, please revise.....Thank You
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Sep 25, 9:56am
If that makes US rapists, then the whole world is a rapist. Because it happens everywhere. Am I right?
Yes. But the Military is generally uninterested in investigating or prosecuting it, as the comparison between the Military and the State of Calfornia shows (and the My Lai incident, the treatment of Calley afterwards, the multiple Air Force Scandals just in the past decades, etc. etc.).
But they'll throw a kid in jail forever for releasing a tape of a pilot killing not only a camera crew, but a good Samatarian with kids in the car who stopped to render aid.
Strategist
2014 Sep 25, 9:56am
Hey Dan, look what you have done? Everyone is picking up on your bad logic.
The Dan Cancer is spreading.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Sep 25, 9:59am
Hey Dan, look what you have done? Everyone is picking up on your bad logic.
The Dan Cancer is spreading.
War is hell, and a last resort. Young Men can be real assholes, and everybody with power gets corrupted, including the MBA holding Lt. General Whomever. Not something Lockheed-Martin wishes to promulgate, or Neocons for that matter.
Strategist
2014 Sep 25, 9:59am
Yes. But the Military is generally uninterested in investigating or prosecuting it, as the comparison between the Military and the State of Calfornia shows.
Lets kick their butt and make them interested.
Strategist
2014 Sep 25, 10:00am
Hey Dan, look what you have done? Everyone is picking up on your bad logic.
The Dan Cancer is spreading.
War is hell, and a last resort. Not something Lockheed-Martin wishes to promulgate, or Neocons for that matter.
How can anyone disagree with that.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Sep 25, 10:00am
Lets kick their butt and make them interested.
That's our job, the nagging Jewish Mother of America.
"Why didn't you prosecute more rapes? You think Menschkeit is not prosecuting rapes? Oh, if only Grandpa Washingstein could see you, I know he'd be embarassed."
Washington hanged a shitload of assholes whenever he found them in his own Army.
Etc.
indigenous
2014 Sep 25, 11:08am
Just to be clear the problem is being there is the first place.
The Army defends its people gee what a surprise.
Does the military make mistakes again gee what a surprise.
Does a centralized government with little accountability do bad things, gee what a surprise.
The problem is that they exist in the first place.
Will it get fixed? Nope, that is until the entire country fails.
Strategist
2014 Sep 25, 11:24am
Lets kick their butt and make them interested.
I'm ready..... When do we start?
*
At dawn we attack. Don't shoot until you see the whites in their eyes.
Give us freedom, or give us death.
Strategist
2014 Sep 25, 12:21pm
At dawn we attack. Don't shoot until you see the whites in their eyes.
Give us freedom, or give us death.
Just make sure it's after coffee.... I ain't worth a crap without caffeine!!
Our freedoms are at stake and you want coffee. How about breakfast in bed?This is why we lose wars.....totally spoilt Americans.
If Rin was here, he would want a lap dance just to wake him up.
Strategist
2014 Sep 25, 12:34pm
At dawn we attack. Don't shoot until you see the whites in their eyes.
Give us freedom, or give us death.
Just make sure it's after coffee.... I ain't worth a crap without caffeine!!
Our freedoms are at stake and you want coffee. How about breakfast in bed?This is why we lose wars.....totally spoilt Americans.
I'll pass on the bacon and eggs you'll serve me in bed, but I need the coffee and caffeine..
You want me to shoot straight, don't you?
Just tell the infidels to sleep in late, then we'll be good!
Coffee, breakfast in bed, sleep in. What's next... a bandage for your boo boo? Is this a war or a vacation?
What ever happened to the good old days where we fought real wars?
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Sep 25, 12:47pm
What ever happened to the good old days where we fought real wars?
Those wars had clear objectives: Destroy the Empire of Japan. Eliminate the warmaking capability of the Nazi State.
Modern wars are primarily to prop up the MIC and Banks, so they have nebulous objectives and are endless.
Wars on tactics and human nature - terrorism and high-seeking - never end, because the goals are unachievable.
Y
2014 Sep 25, 2:57pm
would be terrible if true.
no way to verify. could also be made up bullshit.
All that torture of him and his wife (plus theft) all they could get on him was alleged illegal immigration.
Disgusting
Y
2014 Sep 25, 2:58pm
they have.
you just don't have the security clearance like the rest of us to know about it.
What's the question?
Why haven't the rapes committed by American soldiers in Vietnam been investigated?
Y
2014 Sep 25, 3:04pm
you two are starting to worry me....
I'll pass on the bacon and eggs you'll serve me in bed, but I need the coffee and caffeine..
You want me to shoot straight, don't you?
One day, when you have grandkids or great grandkids, a little boy and girl will sit on your lap and ask....Hey grampa, tell us the story of Strategist, whose ideas created the freedom we so enjoy. And you will say "Ah yes, humanity owes people like him a lot. I wish I could have been a little more like Strategist." Sigh!
No, if more people were like you I will be sitting in another country trying to explain to my grandkids why gulag America used be known as the home of the free and that Escape From NY wasn't a documentary film. They won't believe it of course.
I would never wish to be more like you comrade strategist. The founding fathers would have considered your ideas as abhorrent as elephant smegma in oatmeal. Obedience is freedom comrade.
If you were bright enough to read what people on the sharp end of the stick, real heroes who have been there and done that, say about the results you get from torture rather than the chicken hawk neocon walter mitteis you worship then you would know that what you are saying is pure bullshit. We went into the Iraq war based heavily on bad intelligence obtained by torture.
Strategist
2014 Sep 26, 12:29am
One day, when you have grandkids or great grandkids, a little boy and girl will sit on your lap and ask....Hey grampa, tell us the story of Strategist, whose ideas created the freedom we so enjoy. And you will say "Ah yes, humanity owes people like him a lot. I wish I could have been a little more like Strategist." Sigh!
No, if more people were like you I will be sitting in another country
Which country would that be?
Dan8267
2014 Sep 26, 1:10am
Let me repeat. WE DO NOT RAPE.
You can repeat a lie all you want. Doing so does not change the fact that it is a lie.
Where does it say we have a policy permitting rape?
The Nazis did not have a policy permitting rape and genocide. No evil organization publishes its intent to commit crimes against humanity. It's bad publicity.
What matters is what people do, not what they say they do.
If an individual rapes someone he gets punished.
Your statement is empirically false as proven by the numerous documented cases presented in this thread.
Anyone can say anything. Means nada.
I can see how you would get this impression by watching Fox News. But in the real world, there's this thing called objective, verifiable reality -- contrary to what you might have heard from Heraclitusstudent.
Whenever presented with evidence, you simply discard any evidence that contradicts your incorrect worldview.
In contrast I'd be willing to accept that we're all sperm inside a great big Smurf's balls if and only if the evidence supported it. Facts come first and political agendas come second.
Reality is whatever it is regardless of what we want it to be. This is the worldview that everyone should adopt.
If someone breaks the rules and rapes, lets severely punish them. That is our policy.
Therefore WE do not rape. HE, the rapist, raped.
Again, you demonstrate your ignorance of even recent history. It does not matter what our government says our policies are. Our government has, and still does have, unwritten policies that torture, including using rape as torture, as weapons.
Gitmo is a perfect example of this.
Yeah, you can make a point that governments and organizations don't do ANYTHING, and that all actions are the decisions of individuals. We aren't arguing against that. However, the individuals who run our government and act as the authority and the military DO commit these crimes. You can't wipe away the guilt by using tricky diction.
And as an American, you should be demanding a stop to these crimes. That would be the patriotic thing to do. Waving a god-damn flag means nothing.
If that makes US rapists, then the whole world is a rapist. Because it happens everywhere. Am I right?
Not by a long shot. The U.S.'s behavior is typical of an empire. There has never been an empire in human history that hasn't been evil. However, most countries aren't empires and most people don't live in an empire.
Hey Dan, look what you have done? Everyone is picking up on your bad logic.
The Dan Cancer is spreading.
Your verbal masturbation spreads intellectual herpes.
[Don't get into a war of the wits with me. You'll lose.]
The bottom line is that we should not accept acts of terror by the IS or by the US, and for the exact same same reasons.
Which country would that be?
New Zealand most likely since I'm a citizen. Chile and Andorra are a real consideration.
Tenpoundbass
2014 Sep 26, 5:15am
We went into the Iraq war based heavily on bad intelligence obtained by torture.
Yeah but today, all a president needs is a gut feeling, to push a button and unleash a swarm of lethal missile shooting drones.
Your President owes a great debt to Bush for paving the way for his impunity.
Dan8267
2014 Sep 26, 5:39am
I find it fascinating that idiots think the people far above their intelligent levels are idiots. This phenomenon seems to be unique to morons. The obese don't think the anorectic are fat. The crippled don't think the able are slow. The rich don't think the poor have too much money -- oh, wait -- damn, there goes that theory.
Tenpoundbass
2014 Sep 26, 6:07am
I find it fascinating that idiots think the people far above their intelligent levels are idiots.
Intelligence is environmental. To truly be intelligent, you need people to acknowledge it. I mean you stick someone like Einstein in a third world country, where he didn't know the language. He would have only been as smart as the person he spoke broken English too, while trying to explain his theory of Relativity. Or German or Romanian or any of the languages that Einstein did speak, but not the language of this Island.
Your intelligence level doesn't mean squat, if you don't have people to kiss your ass, and tell you just how smart you are.
Strategist
2014 Sep 26, 7:11am
Let me repeat. WE DO NOT RAPE.
You can repeat a lie all you want. Doing so does not change the fact that it is a lie.
You can call it a lie all you want. Doing so does not change the fact that it is the truth.
Where does it say we have a policy permitting rape?
The Nazis did not have a policy permitting rape and genocide. No evil organization publishes its intent to commit crimes against humanity. It's bad publicity.
What matters is what people do, not what they say they do.
So we have a policy to rape, but we don't announce it because it's bad publicity. Really.
If an individual rapes someone he gets punished.
Your statement is empirically false as proven by the numerous documented cases presented in this thread.
Bullshit. You just have bizarre claims. Not evidence.
If someone breaks the rules and rapes, lets severely punish them. That is our policy.
Therefore WE do not rape. HE, the rapist, raped.Again, you demonstrate your ignorance of even recent history. It does not matter what our government says our policies are. Our government has, and still does have, unwritten policies that torture, including using rape as torture, as weapons.
Gitmo is a perfect example of this.
Prove it.
If that makes US rapists, then the whole world is a rapist. Because it happens everywhere. Am I right?
Not by a long shot. The U.S.'s behavior is typical of an empire. There has never been an empire in human history that hasn't been evil. However, most countries aren't empires and most people don't live in an empire.
Who says only empires rape. Stop making things up. Besides, we are not an empire.
Hey Dan, look what you have done? Everyone is picking up on your bad logic.
The Dan Cancer is spreading.
Your verbal masturbation spreads intellectual herpes.
[Don't get into a war of the wits with me. You'll lose.]
LOL. What wit have you displayed? If it makes you feel better I'll let you win.
We went into the Iraq war based heavily on bad intelligence obtained by torture.
Yeah but today, all a president needs is a gut feeling, to push a button and unleash a swarm of lethal missile shooting drones.
Your President owes a great debt to Bush for paving the way for his impunity.
Why is he my president? I didn't vote for him. I voted for Bush once, but that was a big mistake.
Yes obamo owes a tremendous debt to bush for paving the way to the total destruction of american society. They are truly the same person. I would say whoever comes next has to be better but that's not true.
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