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Quigley says

Ferguson: case closed!

Apparently not. ( I know I'm going to get a lot of flack again, for being a racist, since I think this killing was not even close to necessary).

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/08/21/right-wing-media-caught-lie-darren-wilson-suffer-eye-fracture.html

It didn’t seem to matter that videos taken from the scene of Brown’s shooting show Wilson walking around seemingly injury-free and not tending to his face. Nope. When a good rumor comes along that fits nicely within the narrative you’ve set, you need to push it, and push it hard. Well, right-wingers intent on assassinating Brown’s character and placing Wilson on a pedestal took a big hit Thursday when Lemon revealed Brown did not break Wilson’s eye socket.

What is it with people so strongly wanting to defend the cop. If the killing was justified, the facts should support that. IF it wasn't, then they won't. How and why do people get so invested in it being one way or the other ? MAybe we can all agree that cops need to have cameras running on their actions at all times, to protect them from lies about how things go down, but who knows, maybe also to protect them from themselves when they're having a super stressful day.

Strategist says

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

I am not a Jew, but I do believe Jews have a right to a homeland.

They have one. It is called Los Angeles. Or New York. Or San Fran. Or London.

Really? since when?

bgamall4 says

The right to a homeland was not spoken of in their religion.

Irrelevant. Nevertheless, God gave the land of Israel to the Jews.

God? Now that's funny.

And on that note, nation-states are a relatively new phenomenon...

marcus says

What is it with people so strongly wanting to defend the cop.

I think it is a natural reaction when they see the press and rioters get so much of the story wrong ginning up violence like they did with Trayvon Martin. (NBC doctoring the 9-11 call to make Zimmerman look like a racist for instance)

Alot of people also see all the daily violence and murders in the black community that doesn't generate a peep in the media or black community, but the black community and media go 24/7 sensationalist coverage and goes nuts burning shit down when a non-black person kills a black person.

It's really a shame, because there is legitimate police abuse that needs investigation and punishment. But the race hustlers in Ferguson and Florida ruin the credibility of those trying to address police brutality when they only sensationalize certain cases due to race.

What I find interesting is that so few blacks are attending college. I am currently working toward a second degree (Mathematics) and I don't think that I have seen one black student in any of my classes.

There are programs available which will help minorities become college students. Many Hispanic students take advantage of these programs. There is one program in particular that caught my eye a couple weeks ago: GED to College. This program helps people with a GED to enter higher education

socal2 says

I think it is a natural reaction when they see the press and rioters get so much of the story wrong ginning up violence like they did with Trayvon Martin. (NBC doctoring the 9-11 call to make Zimmerman look like a racist for instance)

Alot of people also see all the daily violence and murders in the black community that doesn't generate a peep in the media or black community, but the black community and media go 24/7 sensationalist coverage and goes nuts burning shit down when a non-black person kills a black person.

It's really a shame, because there is legitimate police abuse that needs investigation and punishment. But the race hustlers in Ferguson and Florida ruin the credibility of those trying to address police brutality when they only sensationalize certain cases due to race.

Why does CNN call the cop Michael Brown's "killer"(their exact word, in context) before the even the grand jury's decision has been reached? Killer denotes having done something wrong. It should be stated as "The officer who shot Michael Brown", but thats not what CNN is putting forward.

The State of Texas once did a study on why some colleges have a low graduation rate. One big reason found was that the "kids" did not have a clear idea why they were going to school. They did not understand what they were going to do after graduation. This study had nothing to do with race. It was all students combined.

bgamall4 says

Call it Crazy says

marcus says

( I know I'm going to get a lot of flack again, for being a racist, since I think this killing was not even close to necessary)

Unless it was a black cop killing a white kid, then you would be good to go!

You are a liar. I am sick of you. You had no right to tell him that. I like your views on the housing market but you know that cops are the issue, and it happens that more black kids are killed than white kids.

I am sure it does but only because black crime is a lot higher than white crime, not to mention there are more white cops than black cops so the chances of the statistic of black/white (cop being white) is much more likely and common than white/black (cop being black).

marcus says

What is it with people so strongly wanting to defend the cop. If the killing was justified, the facts should support that. IF it wasn't, then they won't. How and why do people get so invested in it being one way or the other ? MAybe we can all agree that cops need to have cameras running on their actions at all times, to protect them from lies about how things go down, but who knows, maybe also to protect them from themselves when they're having a super stressful day.

You HYPOCRITE!!!!!

On the Trayvon Martin threads, who was the one who jumped to conclusions? Who was the one who made judgement before having the facts?

WHO WAS THE ONE WHO SAID HE KNEW HOW YOUNG BLACK PEOPLE ACT?!?!?!?!?

YOU MOFO. YOU.

Muthafucking racist hypocrite.

same thing with people so strongly wanting to accuse the shooter of being guilty without all the facts.

It's all moot anyway....the rapist Cosby did it...

marcus says

What is it with people so strongly wanting to defend the cop.

you are right.
with those eyes cosby couldn't have shot straight...

bgamall4 says

SoftShell says

accuse the shooter of being guilty without all the facts.

It's all moot anyway....the rapist Cosby did it...

You are a sick puppy. Look 6 witnesses saw Brown with his hands up. Then he was killed. Failure to indict is institutional racism.

bgamall4 says

Call it Crazy says

bgamall4 says

You are a sick puppy. Look 6 witnesses saw Brown with his hands up.

Was that before or after he tried to take the cops gun?

Doesn't matter.

Six witnesses who we do not yet know if they provided consistent accounts of the incident.

They may have lied, they may suffer from mental illness(like you), may have incorrect recollection, or any number of things.

I have no idea why cops oppose body cams. It would make situations like this so easy to resolve.

bgamall4 says

Call it Crazy says

bgamall4 says

You are a sick puppy. Look 6 witnesses saw Brown with his hands up.

Was that before or after he tried to take the cops gun?

Doesn't matter.

Those witness weren't witness that came forward at the pre-jury. The pre-jury witnesses stated differently, in fact what they stated falls in line with the evidence. M.B. did not have his hands up, he charged the officer and the bullet wounds justify that statement.

Learn the facts before you rush to a piss poor judgement, just like the rest of those rioting in Ferguson.

bgamall4 says

SoftShell says

accuse the shooter of being guilty without all the facts.

It's all moot anyway....the rapist Cosby did it...

You are a sick puppy. Look 6 witnesses saw Brown with his hands up. Then he was killed. Failure to indict is institutional racism.

He could have raised his hands while approaching the officer.

The Inuit have hard lives

http://www.youtube.com/embed/YMgUMeGOBYE

Impossible. Doesn't fit the BGA/marcus narritive....

Strategist says

Look 6 witnesses saw Brown with his hands up. Then he was killed. Failure to indict is institutional racism.

He could have raised his hands while approaching the officer.

I'm willing to bet Officer Wilson will not be indicted. They are negotiating his resignation, which would be the right thing to do to calm the rioters.

I think dan would agree with this approach...

Strategist says

I'm willing to bet Officer Wilson will not be indicted. They are negotiating his resignation, which would be the right thing to do to calm the rioters.

SoftShell says

I think dan would agree with this approach...

Strategist says

I'm willing to bet Officer Wilson will not be indicted. They are negotiating his resignation, which would be the right thing to do to calm the rioters.

Dan wants all Police Officers shot.

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

bgamall4 says

SoftShell says

accuse the shooter of being guilty without all the facts.

It's all moot anyway....the rapist Cosby did it...

You are a sick puppy. Look 6 witnesses saw Brown with his hands up. Then he was killed. Failure to indict is institutional racism.

He could have raised his hands while approaching the officer.

He was far away so he could have walked a few steps towards the officer. So what?

What does that tell you? He raises his arms, and quickly walks towards the officer. It's not to surrender, but to attack the officer before he starts shooting.

bgamall4 says

spydah_hh says

Those witness weren't witness that came forward at the pre-jury. The pre-jury witnesses stated differently, in fact what they stated falls in line with the evidence. M.B. did not have his hands up, he charged the officer and the bullet wounds justify that statement.

Learn the facts before you rush to a piss poor judgement, just like the rest of those rioting in Ferguson.

So, what about the Cosby witnesses? They are reporting 30 years later. Ok with that?

Disclaimer: One woman seems believable in the Cosby situation and that is the lady who is well off and doesn't need the money. She seemed to be honest, so Cosby has a serious problem for his career.

The rape charges are believable. He needs to be prosecuted.

why are you bringing cosby into this?
what in the hell does he have to do with the ferguson case??

bgamall4 says

So, what about the Cosby witnesses?

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

The rape charges are believable. He needs to be prosecuted.

Sorry, statute of limitations has run out. You didn't know that? We are talking 30 years. I am saying he could have problems with his career going forward.

I didn't think there was a statute of limitations on rape. Priests get prosecuted after decades all the time.

No probable cause exist on officer wilson, no indictment! Case closed, we can all sleep now.

Michael Brown died, witnesses lied.

After hearing the prosecutors words, don't those of you who kept citing the "six eyewitnesses" feel really stupid?

If not, you should.

dodgerfanjohn says

You HYPOCRITE!!!!!

On the Trayvon Martin threads, who was the one who jumped to conclusions? Who was the one who made judgement before having the facts?

I didn't jump to conclusions. I know all of the "facts," that is different people's stories including very specific quotes of what Zimmerman said, and I'm still convinced Zimmerman murdered Martin.

Haven't we seen enough evidence of Zimmerman's personality from stories before and after ? HE should not have engaged Martin with a gun. When it comes down to it, we have his story and that's pretty much it.

You know who the ignorant racist prick is here.

I'm not going to post links to all the stories of Zimmerman's psychotic behavior before and after that killing. You don't care because you're blinded by ignorance and hate. Even if Zimmerman unnecessarily instigated a fight (while armed) and then somehow can be said to have had the right to shoot Martin, only a totally moronic pussy such as yourself would think that's okay.

I don't know for sure if you're a racist. Maybe you're just really really stupid, and kind of an evil asshole that thinks that kind of behavior is just okay in your book.

Marcus, why do you hate relevant fact and logic?

marcus says

Haven't we seen enough evidence of Zimmerman's personality from stories before and after ? HE should not have engaged Martin with a gun. When it comes down to it, we have his story and that's pretty much it.

Uhh... Zimmerman didn't engage martin with a gun. The gun didn't come out until martin was beating the sh! out of him.

And he didn't instigate the fight. He was following him until the dispatcher told he he didn't need too, then Zimmerman said he lost him and didn't know where he ran off too.

btw did you watch the trial? If you did you'd know the facts.

marcus says

I don't know for sure if you're a racist. Maybe you're just really really stupid, and kind of an evil asshole that thinks that kind of behavior is just okay in your book.

You live in CA right? Because if I can only hope to GAWD that you don't become the teacher of my child or even my 2nd cousins. You're a public school teacher right? If so I guess I have nothing to worry about.

They have decided to close schools tomorrow in Ferguson, MO. Wonderful. I guess the students are don't need the extra day of class.

spydah_hh says

marcus says

I don't know for sure if you're a racist. Maybe you're just really really stupid, and kind of an evil asshole that thinks that kind of behavior is just okay in your book.

You live in CA right? Because if I can only hope to GAWD that you don't become the teacher of my child or even my 2nd cousins. You're a public school teacher right? If so I guess I have nothing to worry about.

Well he is home today I think judging by higher than usual number of postings. So as long as you or your relatives don't attend LAUSD, where Marcus likely teaches, you are prolly ok.

spydah_hh says

And he didn't instigate the fight.

I'm thinking that would be your story too, if you were trying to avoid being found guilty of murder. Zimmerman's story is not the same thing as a fact. In fact it's very suspicious. WE know how weird the details(of his quoted story) sound, and anyone that isn't a complete asshole knows that he shouldn't have even been following Martin while armed. HE did confront Martin at one point. Common sense would suggest that if a physical fight ensued it was probably because Zimmerman tried to detain him. (YES, I KNOW - that's not Zimmerman's story !).

But I understand that Martin is dead and we pretty much only have Zimmerman's story. Interesting how that works, isn't it ?

marcus says

You know who the ignorant racist prick is here.

You.

I'm not going to post links to all the stories of Zimmerman's psychotic behavior before and after that killing. You don't care because you're blinded by ignorance and hate. Even if Zimmerman unnecessarily instigated a fight (while armed) and then somehow can be said to have had the right to shoot Martin, only a totally moronic pussy such as yourself would think that's okay.

For a guy who doesn't jump to conclusions, you sure use a whole lot of non relevant fact to make your judgements.

I don't know for sure if you're a racist. Maybe you're just really really stupid, and kind of an evil asshole that thinks that kind of behavior is just okay in your book.

Didn't you already out yourself in your own thread on liberal vs. conservative intelligence?

jvolstad says

They have decided to close schools tomorrow in Ferguson, MO. Wonderful. I guess the students are don't need the extra day of class.

They need an extra day to shop!

marcus says

spydah_hh says

And he didn't instigate the fight.

I'm thinking that would be your story too, if you were trying to avoid being found guilty of murder. Zimmerman's story is not the same thing as a fact. In fact it's very suspicious. WE know how weird the details(of his quoted story) sound, and anyone that isn't a complete asshole knows that he shouldn't have even been following Martin while armed. HE did confront Martin at one point.

COmmon sense would suggest that if a physical fight ensued it was because Zimmerman tried to detain him.

But I understand that Martin is dead and we pretty much only have Zimmerman's story. Interesting how that works, isn't it ?

Way to refute non facts....post more non facts.

And I'm the stupid one. Wow.

spydah_hh says

Because if I can only hope to GAWD that you don't become the teacher of my child or even my 2nd cousins. You're a public school teacher right? If so I guess I have nothing to worry about.

Only an idiot asshole such as you would think that any of my classes (MAth up to AP Calculus) would have anything to do with my sharing opinions about such controversial matters. It's Mathematics.

I never would mention it, but even if somehow I did mention that I thought Martin was murdered by Zimmerman, these are for the most part smart kids (much more healthy emotionally than you) who can think for themselves. And they would have no problem disagreeing if that's what they thought. The childish name calling would never come up, and on both sides of the argument, we are smart enough to know that we don't know for sure what happened.

But also on both sides of the discussion we would understand that unnecessarily a life was lost that night, and I'm pretty sure the truth would be obvious to most of them, that it was almost definitely the fault of Zimmerman, even if technically he did not commit murder that night.

No indictment! Again, I prove to be an oracle.
Let the riots ... er, "Christmas shopping" begin!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/24/ferguson-grand-jury-deliberations/19474907/

This month has been a liberal's worst dry dream.
they had their nuts crunched by the porkrind knawing southern inbreeders in the elections.
Wilson is vindicated despite sbh's personal dickhunt against all police enforcement.
What's next? Maddow announces she's hetero???
OH MY GOD WHAT A FUCKIN NIGHTMARE!!!

bgamall4 says

dodgerfanjohn says

Michael Brown died, witnesses lied.

After hearing the prosecutors words, don't those of you who kept citing the "six eyewitnesses" feel really stupid?

If not, you should.

There were witnesses who stuck with the story that his hands were up facing the officer. If he was shooting at his back he was a crappy shot.

The prosecutor did not prove that one witness was stronger than another witness and a jury did not get the opportunity to engage the witnesses in a real trial. That is fact.

LOLWUT?

All autopsies showed that Michael Brown was never shot in the back.

marcus says

Only idiot asshole such as you would think that the way any of my classes (which go up to AP Calculus) go would have anything to do with my sharing opinions about such controversial matters.

Wait a minute, you, by your own admission, have an IQ that is average at best. Yet somehow you completed a BS in math and teach AP Calculus.

*mind asplodes*

Strategist says

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

The rape charges are believable. He needs to be prosecuted.

Sorry, statute of limitations has run out. You didn't know that? We are talking 30 years. I am saying he could have problems with his career going forward.

I didn't think there was a statute of limitations on rape. Priests get prosecuted after decades all the time.

Bill Cosby story is looking a bit like Kobe Bryant's, some ten years back.

I think it's better for men to see hoes than to bang a regular junkie. A hoe can't later say that she didn't get paid for a screw.