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16   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 11:56am  

SoftShell says

Yes, Iran would be charging a kings ransom tariff to use the strait of hormuz, enforced by armed and fueled nuclear tipped missiles.

That makes zero sense.

17   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 11:56am  

SoftShell says

Here, this might help...

Like I said...

18   Y   2015 Feb 20, 12:00pm  

Sounds like you have too many slow twitch fibers...

Bigsby says

Slow hand clap.

19   socal2   2015 Feb 20, 12:02pm  

Bigsby says

Do you have a point? And do you understand how the actions of the West over the last few decades have helped bring about the current situation?

All through the 1980's and 90's much of American foreign policy was in the defense of Sunni Muslims.

- We helped the Afghans kick out the Communists
- We bombed Christians in the Balkans to stop genocide of Sunni Muslims
- We tried to stop genocide and famine in Somalia
- We protected Sunni Islam's most holy sites in Saudi Arabia from "secular" Saddam Hussein during the Gulf War and 8+ years of no-fly zones
- We taught the tent dwellers how to harvest their own resources to become gazillionaires

Heck we even sided with Egypt against Israel, France and the UK during the Suez Crisis. So what EXACTLY did America do before 9/11 to warrant any sort of "blow-back"?

ISIS and Al Qaeda have absolutely no legitimate grievance to justify their actions. Nothing.

20   Y   2015 Feb 20, 12:03pm  

Bigsby says

SoftShell says

Yes, Iran would be charging a kings ransom tariff to use the strait of hormuz, enforced by armed and fueled nuclear tipped missiles.

That makes zero sense.

21   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 12:04pm  

Congrats, you posted up a picture of a British sprinter...

22   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 12:05pm  

Come on then Softshell, feel free to explain your reasoning for the comment about Iran.

23   Y   2015 Feb 20, 12:13pm  

Come on Bigsby, feel free to call the 9/11 "handful of nutters" Islamic Terrorists...

Bigsby says

Come on then Softshell, feel free to explain your reasoning for the comment about Iran.

24   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 12:14pm  

socal2 says

ISIS and Al Qaeda have absolutely no legitimate grievance to justify their actions. Nothing.

Your points are irrelevant. The US supports Saudi Arabia. These radicals oppose that leadership, so US support is a clear reason for a grievance to them. And you seem to have completely ignored Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you understand what has happened to the Sunnis in Iraq? How that helped to destabilize Syria. How the West helped overthrow Gaddafi in Libya but then proceeded to leave that country high and dry and at the complete mercy of any and all armed militias, and a bloody gaping opportunity for ISIS to move in.... And on and on it goes.

25   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 12:18pm  

SoftShell says

Come on Bigsby, feel free to call the 9/11 "handful of nutters" Islamic Terrorists...

Of what relevance has that to the point that was being made? They were Islamic/Muslim terrorists. Congratulations on stating the obvious. What difference does that make to the real issues?

26   socal2   2015 Feb 20, 12:19pm  

Bigsby says

Your points are irrelevant. The US supports Saudi Arabia. These radicals oppose that leadership, so US support is a clear reason for a grievance to them. And you seem to have completely ignored Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you understand what has happened to the Sunnis in Iraq? How that helped to destabilize Syria. How the West helped overthrow Gaddafi in Libya but then proceeded to leave that country high and dry and at the complete mercy of any and all armed militias, and a bloody gaping opportunity for ISIS to move in.... And on and on it goes.

OK - facts and history are irrelevant. I guess we have to accept ISIS, Al Qaeda and the Taliban's grievances as legitimate? How dare we try to stop their genocidal campaigns?

Sunnis have nothing to bitch about in Iraq. They were the former slave masters lording over the majority Shia/Kurds. It was an Apartheid regime under Saddam.

And I am the last one to defend Hillary and Obama's total cock-up foreign policy of pulling every last troop out of Iraq while they deposed Gadaffi.

27   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 12:23pm  

socal2 says

OK - facts and history are irrelevant. I guess we have to accept ISIS, Al Qaeda and the Taliban's grievances as legitimate? How dare we try to stop their genocidal campaigns?

Except that wasn't what was being argued, was it?

socal2 says

Sunnis have nothing to bitch about in Iraq. They were the former slave masters lording over the majority Shia/Kurds. It was an Apartheid regime under Saddam.

You are apparently unaware of what happened under the leadership of Nouri al-Maliki. How do you expect to create a stable country if you don't try and institute a system that is inclusive? And has it actually crossed your mind how it was possible that an entire army managed to collapse in the face of a few thousand insurgents?

28   Y   2015 Feb 20, 12:43pm  

I didn't, but you just did.

Bigsby says

They were Islamic/Muslim terrorists. Congratulations on stating the obvious.

29   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 1:31pm  

SoftShell says

I didn't, but you just did.

Bigsby says

They were Islamic/Muslim terrorists. Congratulations on stating the obvious.

You are a tiresome troll. If you have something of substance to say, then say it - you know, like trying to explain your idiotic comment about Iran. Otherwise, just fuck off.

30   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 2:07pm  

Call it Crazy says

Really??? YOU have the balls to say that?

Here, this might shut you up, here's your payment for today!

Says the biggest fucking troll on this site. You claim to be a grandfather, yet post nothing but trollish jibes in virtually every single post. Isn't it time you grew up?

31   socal2   2015 Feb 20, 2:26pm  

Bigsby says

Except that wasn't what was being argued, was it?

You seem to be arguing that America is responsible for ISIS or have some sort of moral or historical culpability for it.

I'm arguing that America or the West didn't "create" ISIS. Islam and backward Arab culture created ISIS. Unless you are going to credit the liberation of Iraq with the "Arab Spring", the region (including Syria) was going to implode sooner than later.

An argument can certainly be made that Obama and Hilary enabled ISIS by pulling every last troop out of Iraq while deposing Gadaffi creating an even bigger void and opportunity for ISIS to make massive gains. I can't defend Obama and Hillary's actions over the last 6 years in foreign policy.

32   Strategist   2015 Feb 20, 6:39pm  

Bigsby says

Strategist says

Islam is the breeding ground of terrorism. It also breeds violence, human rights abuse and cruelty that does belongs in the stone age.


Show me where I am wrong.

Did you notice what happened after a handful of nutters carried out 9/11? Do you remember how revved up the US got? Before that event, acts of terrorism were few and far between despite what had happened in Afghanistan. Nearly 15 years later and after all the bombings and killings, many/most of which were of complete innocents, you seem surprised that a very small proportion of that faith, particularly the young and impressionable, have become radicalized, but quite happy to tar everyone with the same brush. Your sweeping generalizations on this forum are both tedious and ill-informed.

Go ahead, blame Americans and the West for everything that is related to Islamic terror. The Hindus in India have lived through genocide and continuous Islamic terrorism. You can't blame America for that. Russia and the Philippines also are victims of these wackos, so who do you blame here? The one and only common thread in worldwide terrorism is Islam. How are we gonna solve this problem when you and millions deny the root cause.

33   Strategist   2015 Feb 20, 6:44pm  

sbh says

socal2 says

You seem to be arguing that America is responsible for ISIS or have some sort of moral or historical culpability for it.

No, that's what you want his position to be. What's so hard about the concept of fractional culpability?

He IS blaming America. I don't hear him say it was Islam that is the root cause.

sbh says

socal2 says

I'm arguing that America or the West didn't "create" ISIS.

No one thing did "create" it.

It was two things....Allah and Mohammad, the greatest terrorist to ever walk the earth.

34   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 7:15pm  

socal2 says

You seem to be arguing that America is responsible for ISIS or have some sort of moral or historical culpability for it.

I'm not arguing that America literally created ISIS, but it's obvious that the foreign policy of the US since 9/11 has created the environment for it to take root.
socal2 says

An argument can certainly be made that Obama and Hilary enabled ISIS by pulling every last troop out of Iraq while deposing Gadaffi creating an even bigger void and opportunity for ISIS to make massive gains. I can't defend Obama and Hillary's actions over the last 6 years in foreign policy.

Curious you didn't mention Bush in there. And the withdrawal of troops was Obama following what Bush had already agreed, was it not? And deposing Gaddafi had nothing to do with the creation of ISIS. The lack of any meaningful effort to stabilize the country post his death has allowed Islamic militias to fill the void.

35   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 7:21pm  

Call it Crazy says

Ahhhh, that explains the ONE thread you've started in 4 years.... You NEVER have anything of substance to say... Kinda explains why 13 people have "flushed" you...

I'm obviously just not as invested in the site as you are, or as interested in trying to get a rise out of others as you seem to be. And yes, 13 people have blocked me. I know one is the Professor for his moronic 9/11 conspiracy beliefs. One I don't know. The other 11 came at the same time several years ago when I was in the middle of a flame war with that multiple personality troll Darrell/LiarInPhoenix etc. etc. What's the reason for your nine ignores? And have you noticed that all the people who seem to dislike you the most don't actually have you on ignore. I guess because they want to take the piss out of your utter stupidity.

36   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 7:30pm  

Strategist says

Go ahead, blame Americans and the West for everything that is related to Islamic terror.

I'm not blaming them for everything, but they have clearly contributed to the problem, or would you like to explain why this situation is so much worse now than it was a few decades ago?

Strategist says

The Hindus in India have lived through genocide and continuous Islamic terrorism. You can't blame America for that.

Eh? There were mass killings on both sides in India during the partition. Why focus on just the Muslims?
Strategist says

The one and only common thread in worldwide terrorism is Islam. How are we gonna solve this problem when you and millions deny the root cause.

How do you explain the fact that this wasn't a major issue just a few decades ago? What happened in those intervening years?

37   Strategist   2015 Feb 20, 7:51pm  

Bigsby says

Strategist says

Go ahead, blame Americans and the West for everything that is related to Islamic terror.

I'm not blaming them for everything, but they have clearly contributed to the problem, or would you like to explain why this situation is so much worse now than it was a few decades ago?

When we invaded Iraq, we installed a soft puppet who could bring democracy to the region. We fail to understand that the Mid East Muslims are not ready for democracy. They will only take advantage of any democracy to install Islam and it's disgusting sharia laws. This created a vacuum, and Islam being the evil it is, quickly dominated.

Bigsby says

Strategist says

The Hindus in India have lived through genocide and continuous Islamic terrorism. You can't blame America for that.

Eh? There were mass killings on both sides in India during the partition. Why focus on just the Muslims?

You seem to conveniently forget the genocide that is well documented in the thousand years leading up to that partition massacre. You also forget the terrorism that took place in India by Muslims since then.

Bigsby says

Strategist says

The one and only common thread in worldwide terrorism is Islam. How are we gonna solve this problem when you and millions deny the root cause.

How do you explain the fact that this wasn't an issue at all just a few decades ago?

I notice you did not address the Russian and Phillipine terrorism that I mentioned. Why?
Islamic terror has been going on for 1,400 years, ever since this sick religion was created by a sick pedophile. These barbarians did not have suicide bombers 50 years, 100 years, and 200 years ago because they did not have access to bombs.

38   socal2   2015 Feb 20, 7:54pm  

Bigsby says

Curious you didn't mention Bush in there. And the withdrawal of troops was Obama following what Bush had already agreed, was it not?

Which Bush - 1 or 2? How about Clinton? According to Bin Laden, one of his main reasons for 9/11 was stationing US troops in Saudi Arabia to enforce no fly zones to protect the Kurds and Shia from getting murdered by Saddam, Heck, we can go back to Eisenhower era for the US and Brits teaching Gulf Arabs to pump their oil if we want to keep making excuses for Islamists.

ISIS only grew in the last 2 years under Obama's watch when he foolishly pulled every last troop out of Iraq. ISIS predecessor (AQI) got the ever living shit beat out of them by US troops and the Anbar awakening. We just had to keep enough forces around to protect the gains. Back then, even Slow Joe Biden was saying Iraq would be "one of this Administration's greatest achievements."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOcPCrGRs6k

They threw it all away and humanity is now facing the consequences.

39   Strategist   2015 Feb 20, 8:04pm  

@bigsby why are you so supportive of Islam. It puzzles me. I have seen some of the arguments you have made on conspiracy theories. You seem to be an intelligent liberal. But why do you guys defend Islam so much? Do you think the Sharia laws meet your liberal morals? Do you? It makes no sense at all.

40   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 8:05pm  

Strategist says

When we invaded Iraq, we installed a soft puppet who could bring democracy to the region. We fail to understand that the Mid East Muslims are not ready for democracy. They will only take advantage of any democracy to install Islam and it's disgusting sharia laws. This created a vacuum, and Islam being the evil it is, quickly dominated.

Simplistic in the extreme. Maliki divided that country on sectarian grounds, totally isolating the Sunnis in favour of the Shias. Why do you think the tribes in the Sunni regions thought rule under ISIS was more favourable to that of Maliki?
And you can't just plonk democracy on nations that have never experienced it, and most certainly in nations that have been under the boot of the kind of rulers Iraq, Syria, Libya and Egypt were subjected to, and suddenly expect everything to run smoothly.

Strategist says

You seem to conveniently forget the genocide that is well documented in the thousand years leading up to that partition massacre. You also forget the terrorism that took place in India by Muslims since then.

You mean when one nation invades another and commits atrocities? And obviously such atrocities never happened when Christian countries invaded other nations. And exactly what constitutes genocide to you?
You seem to have forgotten the acts of terrorism that have taken place in India by Hindu nationalists and the like.

Strategist says

I notice you did not address the Russian and Phillipine terrorism that I mentioned. Why?

So I have to address every single point, do I? Many regions of the old USSR have been destabilized by what has gone on post break up. The trouble in those regions isn't solely down to the fact that, for example, the Chechens did it 'because they are Muslim,' is it? As for the Phillipines, I don't know the historical details of that insurgency so perhaps you'd care to inform us of its background.

41   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 8:12pm  

Strategist says

@bigsby why are you so supportive of Islam. It puzzles me. I have seen some of the arguments you have made on conspiracy theories. You seem to be an intelligent liberal. But why do you guys defend Islam so much? Do you think the Sharia laws meet your liberal morals? Do you? It makes no sense at all.

It's not an issue of defending Islam. It's an issue with the fact that so many people on here and elsewhere seem to have turned a completely blind eye to why things have deteriorated so badly and so quickly and simply want to blame Islam for that. Muslims seem to be filling the role of the new blacks for many. How much experience do people on here have of Muslims, their way of life, the beliefs that they adhere to in day-to-day life? Too many people seem all too willing to tar all with the same brush when the extremists causing all this havoc wouldn't even fill an average size Premiership football stadium.

And yes, I hear that all the time about Sharia law. What do you actually think the implementation of Sharia law amounts to in the majority of Muslim countries? The actual (rather than theoretical) implementation isn't nearly as problematic as you seem to think in most countries as they employ a mixed system. Obviously full Sharia law is extremely problematic to me, but then it isn't my culture or religious background and there seem to be a great deal of people in those countries unhappy about its reach. Muslim people are an incredibly diverse lot. The dumbing down of what it is that those people actually believe into one great monolithic entity is just foolish.

42   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Feb 20, 8:13pm  

I heard when the moon is full, Abdullah grows horns, breathes fire, rides around on a wooden stick, smokes reefer, and plays jazz music.

43   Strategist   2015 Feb 20, 8:14pm  

Bigsby says

Strategist says

When we invaded Iraq, we installed a soft puppet who could bring democracy to the region. We fail to understand that the Mid East Muslims are not ready for democracy. They will only take advantage of any democracy to install Islam and it's disgusting sharia laws. This created a vacuum, and Islam being the evil it is, quickly dominated.

Simplistic in the extreme. Maliki divided that country on sectarian grounds, totally isolating the Sunnis in favour of the Shias. Why do you think the tribes in the Sunni regions thought rule under ISIS was more favourable to that of Maliki?

And you can't just plonk democracy on nations that have never experienced it, and most certainly in nations that have been under the boot of the kind of rulers Iraq, Syria, Libya and Egypt were subjected to, and suddenly expect everything to run smoothly.

So why blame America?

Bigsby says

Strategist says

You seem to conveniently forget the genocide that is well documented in the thousand years leading up to that partition massacre. You also forget the terrorism that took place in India by Muslims since then.

You mean when one nation invades another and commits atrocities? And obviously such atrocities never happened when Christian countries invaded other nations. And exactly what constitutes genocide to you?

You seem to have forgotten the acts of terrorism that have taken place in India by Hindu nationalists and the like.

LOL. That does not make Islam any less barbaric.

Bigsby says

Strategist says

I notice you did not address the Russian and Phillipine terrorism that I mentioned. Why?

So I have to address every single point, do I? Many regions of the old USSR have been destabilized by what has gone on post break up. The trouble in those regions isn't solely down to the fact that, for example, the Chechens did it 'because they are Muslim,' is it? As for the Phillipines, I don't know the historical details of that insurgency so perhaps you'd care to inform us of its background.

Still defending Islam. Absolutely disgusting. OK, it's a free country, we won't take off your head for disagreeing.

44   Strategist   2015 Feb 20, 8:19pm  

Bigsby says

It's not an issue of defending Islam. It's an issue with the fact that so many people on here and elsewhere seem to have turned a completely blind eye to why things have deteriorated so badly and so quickly and simply want to blame Islam for that. Muslims seem to be filling the role of the new blacks for many. How much experience do people on here have of Muslims, their way of life, the beliefs that they adhere to in day-to-day life? Too many people seem all too willing to tar all with the same brush when the extremists causing all this havoc wouldn't even fill an average size Premiership football stadium.

Here are some facts....
99.99% of suicide bombers are Muslim.
There isn't a nation, that has Muslims, does not experience their terrorism.
The tens of thousands that rushed to join ISIS were ALL MUSLIMS.
My question to you Bigsby, is, do you believe Islam is a peaceful religion? I await an honest answer.

45   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 8:28pm  

Strategist says

So why blame America?

Oh FFS, who do you think completely destabilized Iraq? Who disbanded the Iraqi army? Who put in power a leader who utterly sidelined the Sunni population in favour of the Shias? etc. etc.
Strategist says

LOL. That does not make Islam any less barbaric.

You may as well say every religion is barbaric. It's people who are barbaric.

Strategist says

Still defending Islam. Absolutely disgusting. OK, it's a free country, we won't take off your head for disagreeing.

WTF are you talking about? Its not an issue of defending Islam. It's an issue of looking at how situations have arisen from all aspects rather than simply jumping up and down and shouting 'It's Islam's fault. It's Islam's fault.'

46   Strategist   2015 Feb 20, 8:31pm  

Bigsby says

WTF are you talking about? Its not an issue of defending Islam. It's an issue of looking at how situations have arisen from all aspects rather than simply jumping up and down and shouting 'It's Islam's fault. It's Islam's fault.'

I ask you again....
My question to you Bigsby, is, do you believe Islam is a peaceful religion? I await an honest answer.

47   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 8:45pm  

Strategist says

Here are some facts....

99.99% of suicide bombers are Muslim.

There isn't a nation, that has Muslims, does not experience their terrorism.

The tens of thousands that rushed to join ISIS were ALL MUSLIMS.

My question to you Bigsby, is, do you believe Islam is a peaceful religion? I await an honest answer.

Suicide bombings have been used during other conflicts as well. It strikes me as an act of desperation by a very small number of extremely fucked up/brainwashed/coerced people. It's Muslims who are fighting, so they are Muslim suicide bombers...
Most Muslim countries have had very few acts of terrorism in their borders. The countries that have the biggest terrorist problems also have the biggest problems in general.
Yes, Muslims joined a Muslim force. Remarkable. Why do you think these young people have been radicalized? What have they been exposed to over the last 15 years?
I don't believe Islam is particularly different to any religion. They can all be manipulated any way you like. It's people who are not peaceful. And if you create the circumstances for unrest, then you will get unrest, and it doesn't take very many radicalized/psychotic/murderous... people with guns to drag everyone down with them. You can take a look at plenty of non-muslim countries over the centuries to see how quickly things can fall apart.

48   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 8:46pm  

Call it Crazy says

Hmmm... How many blacks have you seen lately beheading people??

How many black have been suicide bombers lately?

For that matter, how many Germans behead people this month? Any Irish people do some beheadings?

How many Italians over-ran and took over cities in Iraq the past year?

Just wondering...

A typically idiotic post from you. What a surprise.

49   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 8:53pm  

Strategist says

I ask you again....

My question to you Bigsby, is, do you believe Islam is a peaceful religion? I await an honest answer.

You seem to want to argue that because a few tens of thousands of Muslims are creating chaos that Islam is somehow a religion of war? Is that what you are saying? Which countries have created the most chaos on the planet during human history? What religion was practiced in those countries? Is Christianity a peaceful religion then?
The vast majority of Muslims live in peace. That is a simple and obvious fact, so on that basis, Islam is a religion of peace to the vast majority who practice it.

50   Strategist   2015 Feb 20, 8:57pm  

Bigsby says

Strategist says

I ask you again....


My question to you Bigsby, is, do you believe Islam is a peaceful religion? I await an honest answer.

You seem to want to argue that because a few tens of thousands of Muslims are creating chaos that Islam is somehow a religion of war? Is that what you are saying? Which countries have created the most chaos on the planet during human history? What religion was practiced in those countries? Is Christianity a peaceful religion then?

The vast majority of Muslims live in peace. That is a simple and obvious fact, so on that basis, Islam is a religion of peace to the vast majority who practice it.

OK :) :) :)

51   Bigsby   2015 Feb 20, 9:20pm  

Call it Crazy says

So, I take it that your answer would be none? Or were the questions too hard for you to answer?

No, they were just too stupid to bother answering.

52   socal2   2015 Feb 21, 9:48am  

Bigsby says

How much experience do people on here have of Muslims, their way of life, the beliefs that they adhere to in day-to-day life?

My next door neighbor is Iranian and fled with his family in 1979 when the crazy Mullahs took over.

Several of my clients are Iraqis and Kurds who fled Saddam in the 1990's. One of them was finally able to move back home to be with his family in 2008 when things were peaceful.

All were supportive of overthrowing Saddam.

53   Bigsby   2015 Feb 21, 10:00am  

socal2 says

Several of my clients are Iraqis and Kurds who fled Saddam in the 1990's. One of them was finally able to move back home to be with his family in 2008 when things were peaceful.

All were supportive of overthrowing Saddam.

Of course they were. They fled Saddam. And Iraq was hardly peaceful in 2008.

And I somehow doubt those people would serve to reinforce Strategists perception of Islam as a religion of terror. A good number of Kurds are actually very socialist in their outlook...

Like I said, a bit of contact with some clients is hardly much experience of Muslims, and I'd guess that is more than many on here.

54   socal2   2015 Feb 21, 10:08am  

Bigsby says

Like I said, a bit of contact with some clients is hardly much experience of Muslims, and I'd guess that is more than many on here.

To be fair, any contact Americans have with Muslims here in America is not all that credible of an experience as we tend to get the best and brightest and more secular variety.

Does Saudi Arabia represent "true Islam".

How about Egypt and Pakistan?
"Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/01/64-percent-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-support-the-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/

Does the intolerant and hateful stuff preached in numerous UK mosques represent "true Islam"?
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/aug/22/channel4.islam

55   Bigsby   2015 Feb 21, 10:19am  

socal2 says

Does Saudi Arabia represent "true Islam".

How about Egypt and Pakistan?

You answer it yourself. Everywhere is different. What's true Christianity? A good number of your Bible belt hold views abhorrent to Europeans for example.
socal2 says

"Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam"

That doesn't make it a religion of terror. It simply shows that those are very conservative and religious societies, something that is reinforced by the poor educational standards and levels of poverty there.

socal2 says

Does the intolerant and hateful stuff preached in numerous UK mosques represent "true Islam"?

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/aug/22/channel4.islam

Your religious right also spouts hateful and intolerant stuff and has hardly had the kind of forces at play pushing the more outspoken radicals to the forefront. You also have youth in Western countries caught between the conservatism of their families and the liberalism they see around them in day-to-day life. Like many young, they can be led by people manipulating them and playing on their anger at the perceived injustices done to Muslims. The internet has made that process far easier.

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