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The lynchers have your standard. ISIS has your standard.

Nope. I look out for the most human beings at any given time..."7 billion". You and Dan and Bob, look out for the least..."collateral damage"
You won't come close to my standards in a billion years.
By the way, nuking Detroit is a great idea. :)

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Strategist 2015 May 23, 6:08pm

Collateral damage, i.e. murdering innocent civilians, is not a moral, ethical, or legal way to tackle terrorism. That alone is reason enough to oppose it.

Collateral damage is not murder. You save more lives by killing terrorists. Do you know why we give vaccines to our kids even though some end up dying? Because it saves more lives than it takes. It's a concept short sighted people are not capable of understanding.

Strategist says

I hold you responsible for the Yazidi massacres along with Dan, SBH and Obama.

Which is why you are a moron.

Shower me with all the insults you can think of. You will NEVER be able to disprove that "killing terrorists will cause collateral damage, but saves a lot more lives in the long run"
I challenge you and anyone else to prove my statement wrong.

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Strategist 2015 May 23, 6:15pm

SBH, Why do you keep posting that picture? It's offensive and has nothing to do with going after terrorists. I do not like to see humans like that, nor do I like to see the victims of ISIS get beheaded, Yazidi women and children tortured raped and enslaved.
I LOVE to see terrorists tortured. It's so entertaining when they scream in pain. :)

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Strategist 2015 May 23, 6:17pm

Yep. Your standard is act as they do when doing so feels good.

Who is "they" ??

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Strategist 2015 May 23, 6:23pm

Yep, that's what these primitives enjoyed when they tortured and killed the black people in the picture. You're firmly in third place for stupidity on this forum.

All our ancestors were primitive and barbaric. What has that got to do with you and me TODAY?

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Dan8267 2015 May 23, 6:25pm

I look out for the most human beings at any given time..."7 billion".

The most ridiculous lie ever told by Strategist. Americans make up 5% of the world's population. Strategist would be glad if the other 95% were killed off and their wealth went to America. Then Strategist would want the 37% of Americans who are minorities killed off. Then he would have to find someone new to hate. Oh wait, he's already picked liberals. After all, who better to hate to show your patriotism then the people who believe in the principles upon which this country was founded?

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Dan8267 2015 May 23, 6:26pm

All our ancestors were primitive and barbaric. What has that got to do with you and me TODAY?

Acting like that in the nuclear age causes the extinction of our species. That's what.

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Strategist 2015 May 23, 6:32pm

Strategist says

All our ancestors were primitive and barbaric. What has that got to do with you and me TODAY?

Acting like that in the nuclear age causes the extinction of our species. That's what.

Exactly. That is why we have to kill off Islamic terrorists even if there is collateral damage. Do you want the extinction of our species?

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Strategist 2015 May 23, 6:35pm

Strategist says

I look out for the most human beings at any given time..."7 billion".

The most ridiculous lie ever told by Strategist. Americans make up 5% of the world's population. Strategist would be glad if the other 95% were killed off and their wealth went to America. Then Strategist would want the 37% of Americans who are minorities killed off. Then he would have to find someone new to hate. Oh wait, he's already picked liberals.

No Dan, no. I have picked liberals like you. Not liberals like me, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and the smart ones.
You Dan, are not a true liberal. You are hereby booted out of the "Smart liberal association"

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Strategist 2015 May 23, 6:36pm

You are hereby booted out of the "Smart liberal association"

AND STAY OUT!

31 bob2356 2015 May 23, 6:44pm

Dan8267 says

Collateral damage, i.e. murdering innocent civilians, is not a moral, ethical, or legal way to tackle terrorism. That alone is reason enough to oppose it.

Collateral damage is not murder. You save more lives by killing terrorists. Do you know why we give vaccines to our kids even though some end up dying? Because it saves more lives than it takes. It's a concept short sighted people are not capable of understanding.

Wow, drone strikes are just like vaccines. Pretty amazing thought even from a neocon cop apologist librul with an electric car. I'm impressed.

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Strategist 2015 May 23, 9:06pm

You're primitive and I am not. Your standard is primitive,as are you. My standard is universally applicable and your is not.

WOW.
The world is flat, was a universal standard too. So was ghosts, goblins, tooth fairies and Santa Claus. Universally accepted standards are for those who can't think for themselves. Thank God i'm not in that category.

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Strategist 2015 May 23, 9:15pm

Wow, drone strikes are just like vaccines.

Prove me wrong. :)

Pretty amazing thought even from a neocon cop apologist librul with an electric car. I'm impressed.

Non polluting cars are the future. Trust me on that. Even Warren Buffet dumped his shares of ExxonMobil. He now invests in batteries.

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Strategist 2015 May 23, 9:26pm

Strategist says

Universally accepted standards are for those who can't think for themselves.

That has to be the dumbest thing you've ever said.

Why?

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Dan8267 2015 May 24, 12:28am

That is why we have to kill off Islamic terrorists even if there is collateral damage

The terrorists don't have nukes despite Republican efforts to thwart our agents who prevent terrorists from getting nukes.

36 bob2356 2015 May 24, 5:23am

That is why we have to kill off Islamic terrorists even if there is collateral damage.

Other than the fact that killing innocent people is both repugnant and totally against american principals, you being one of the very small group of neanderthal exceptions, every time there is "collateral damage" you create 100 times more new terrorists than you killed. Don't you think the story and pictures are published repeatedly in great detail everywhere from senegal to east timor every time it happens? Cancel that sentence deep thinking, or even shallow thinking, isn't your strong point.

Drones are a great tool, but there must be some system of accountability other than the president says ok involved in using them. The military at least has a very weak rules of engagement. It was better before it was revised in 2013. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-06/us-military-changes-drone-rules-make-targeting-civilians-easier The cowboy CIA drone jockies, an organization which is supposed to be gathering intelligence not making war, have nothing.

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Strategist 2015 May 24, 7:54am

Strategist says

That is why we have to kill off Islamic terrorists even if there is collateral damage

The terrorists don't have nukes

They did a pretty good job on the Yazidi women and children even without nukes. The Yazidi's are humans too. We can't stand by and allow this to happen to other human beings.

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Strategist 2015 May 24, 8:17am

Strategist says

That is why we have to kill off Islamic terrorists even if there is collateral damage.

Other than the fact that killing innocent people is both repugnant and totally against american principals, you being one of the very small group of neanderthal exceptions, every time there is "collateral damage" you create 100 times more new terrorists than you killed. Don't you think the story and pictures are published repeatedly in great detail everywhere from senegal to east timor every time it happens? Cancel that sentence deep thinking, or even shallow thinking, isn't your strong point.

If that were true I would not support targeted killings of terrorists, but it's a total myth. Saudi, Pakistan, India and Russia, all target and assassinate terrorists. They seem to be very affective. Are you saying only WE create more terrorists, and not the others?

http://www.ellinghuysen.com/news/articles/167035.shtml

Drones are a great tool, but there must be some system of accountability other than the president says ok involved in using them. The military at least has a very weak rules of engagement.

It is very naive to think we don't care enough for collateral damage. We go to great lengths to minimize collateral damage. Terrorists know this, which is why they hide behind women and children. By the way, Pakistan now goes after their own terrorists with airstrikes. I don't hear a single word about collateral damage by Pakistan. You guys here don't care about collateral damage, you only care about WHO did it. It's all screwed up politics, isn't it?

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Strategist 2015 May 24, 8:39am

Bob, SBH, Dan.....here are examples of what ends up happening when terrorists are freed. The ISIS leader, Baghdadi was a US prisoner who was freed when he should have been executed.

40 bob2356 2015 May 24, 12:47pm

If that were true I would not support targeted killings of terrorists, but it's a total myth. Saudi, Pakistan, India and Russia, all target and assassinate terrorists. They seem to be very affective. Are you saying only WE create more terrorists, and not the others?

Strategist? How can you be a strategist when you don't have a clue who the players are? Saudi's kill shia terrorists. Pakistan kills indian based terrorists. India kills the pakistani terrorists. Russia kills cheychian and ukranian terrorists. Do they indiscrimantly kill civilians along with them? I really don't know, you know so much on the subject document it for me. Judging from the escalation of terrorism and expansion in all these groups I would say yes they do create more terrorists. That's just not my concern nor is it relevant to US foreign policy.

It is very naive to think we don't care enough for collateral damage. We go to great lengths to minimize collateral damage. Terrorists know this, which is why they hide behind women and children. By the way, Pakistan now goes after their own terrorists with airstrikes. I don't hear a single word about collateral damage by Pakistan. You guys here don't care about collateral damage, you only care about WHO did it. It's all screwed up politics, isn't it?

If we go to such great lengths then why was the order of battle for drones made more liberal in 2013? Why is there no guidance at all for the CIA? If you didn't hear a single word about pakistan killing women and children then it's because you don't want to hear it. It's certainly been reported. Of course we care who did it, we are Americans who should stand for something better than what is acceptable conduct in third world hellholes like pakistan. We are back to 3rd grade he did so it's ok for me to do it now. What screwed up politics, I objected just as much to sloppy drone strikes when bush did it. It's called principles, look it up since you are totally unfamiliar with the word.

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