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2005 Sep 13, 2:51am   23,048 views  147 comments

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Now it seems that some markets are showing signs of a reversal. Do you have any fear? What is the fear?

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88   SQT15   2005 Sep 13, 5:43pm  

Why should all doctors go through so much education?

Since my life is in their hands, I kind of like the "lots of education" part of the standards. I had an emergency delivery with my daughter and had a lesser skilled surgeon taken care of us the outcome could have been a bad one. There are just some things that demand a high standard.

89   Peter P   2005 Sep 13, 5:50pm  

SactoQt, how about having two standards:

1) Regular doctors for those with insurance or those who can otherwise afford high healthcare costs.

2) Associate doctors for those who can afford less.

Patients will be well-informed and they will be able to choose between the two. Providing only high-quality but expensive healthcare options is not necessarily an ethical thing to do.

90   SQT15   2005 Sep 13, 5:54pm  

Peter P

I get where you're coming from, but the liability would probably be too high. Doctors can barely afford mal-practice insurance as it is, and even if people sign waivers, they'd probably still sue, and I doubt there'd be a shortage of lawyers to help them.

91   Peter P   2005 Sep 13, 5:58pm  

I get where you’re coming from, but the liability would probably be too high. Doctors can barely afford mal-practice insurance as it is, and even if people sign waivers, they’d probably still sue, and I doubt there’d be a shortage of lawyers to help them.

I think this is one of the big problems too. As I have said before, we ought to limit lawsuit payout. At least, punitive judgements should be restricted. Reasonable medical mistakes should be punished mildly. Serious mistakes should result in non-monetary.

92   SQT15   2005 Sep 13, 6:03pm  

There needs to be a re-vamping of the legal system too. My former neighber told me that in Great Britian whomever loses a lawsuit has to pay legal fee's for both sides. It dramatically limits frivilous lawsuits, which is something we need here in the states. Maybe if that was in effect it would be easier to limit lawsuits against doctors too.

Anyway, getting late. Nite.

93   Peter P   2005 Sep 13, 6:05pm  

Good nite.

94   OO   2005 Sep 13, 9:49pm  

I have particularly enjoyed Randy H's opinion on this site, perhaps because I agree with most of his analysis.

I have enough cash to pay off my current home in BA entirely, and I still have quite a bit of cash sitting on the sideline waiting to get in should the market crashes. I am a conservative person so although I am much more qualified than most folks to "flip" properties, I chose to stay away hoping that I could descend as a vulture when foreclosures go up. However, as the bubble really starts to inflate, my biggest fear begin to emerge. Never underestimate the power of fools, in masses. That means, if the foolks have hujacked the market, the government may have to bail them out and I may no longer pick up dead meat that easily, and my waiting would have been meaningless. If the crash is so hard that unemployment shoots to 25% like the Great Depression, buying RE would be the last on my mind, I might as well take whatever I have and flee the country. But then, where do I flee to? We have been the world's buyer, if our buying power dries up, I see China going to hell first, followed by Japan and a whole slew of players.

So here is my burning question. If the market does crash hard, what is the best way to take advantage of the situation suppose you have quite a bit of cash (80% of my money is in commodity-based currencies, Euro, oil and gold). So, if housing keeps its norminal value, I assume dollar will crash, so I am set up in a position to bet against the dollar. However, lately I have been thinking what if all the governments coerce to keep the dollar up since a crashing dollar does nobody any good (except people like me)? I guess my biggest fear and anguish is BOTH housing and US dollar keep their nominal value!

95   praetorian   2005 Sep 14, 12:26am  

@OO: "if the foolks have hujacked the market"

Beware the foolks my son!
With the hands that grasp and the head that unthinks!
Beware the hujacker
and shun the frumious Loan Officer!

_smile_

@Jack: The fact that people don't pay for large chunks of their healthcare seems to distort the market. Radiologists, with whom I have some experience, are constantly looking at expensive and (relatively) unnecessary scans ordered by doctors who know that insurance will cover it, and that if they miss something they will be sued until they are blue in the face and a bit bluer in the wallet.

I don't have a good solution, although my neocon-fascist-i-hate-poor-people-and-small-defenseless-puppies gut says: more market. Market for those who can afford, with a strong social net (non-governmental, community and, dare I say, religiously, based) sounds great to me, and it has the delightful advantage of not having even a snowball's chance of being implemented, thereby allowing me to sit idly in the back sniping at whatever solutions do come along:

"Oh, myyyyyyyy solution would be soooooo much better than [insert next failed govt. program]. But will you people ever try it? Noooooooo. Heathens."

See? Now isn't that fun?

Cheers,
prat

96   SJ_jim   2005 Sep 14, 1:50am  

Hey surferX, Kurt,
Just bought a Haut last October...I used to drive by that shack of a surf shop on my way to natural bridges (to go boogieboarding) back in high school. I didn't really know if/how good they were. It's nice to know they're thought pretty highly of! Nice looking board though...simple & clean looking.
I found this Yahoo! Bond Ticker talk pretty interesting...the writing is kind of informal...like reading a blog posting...the guy actually mentions the "national ADD" as a reason why there's an 85% chance of September fed rate hike.
http://bonds.yahoo.com/bt.html

97   Jamie   2005 Sep 14, 2:56am  

I'm 31, solidly GenX and I don't think of this generation as very pissed off (though we have every right to be for reasons that have already been stated). We seem to be the generation that wants balance in our lives, when that is becoming increasingly harder to have.

My husband is researching his next career field, and the one he's interested in is populated mainly by Boomers right now, soon to be retiring. The thing he has heard again and again from people he has talked to in the field is their bewilderment over the fact that this younger generation about to fill their shoes doesn't want to work 60 hours a week and wants to have time to spend with their families. Imagine that!

What selfish, lazy slobs we must be to think that life isn't all about working ourselves into the ground and ignoring our kids. (I guess we learned something from being the latchkey generation.)

98   KurtS   2005 Sep 14, 3:27am  

Time to post an amusing conversation just overheard...
(from my RE-investing coworker)

"Sell? no I'm not thinking of selling anything until next year (Marin)
So, you're renting that waterfront place in Tiburon, for what--$2000/mo ? (A 2br cliff house)
Are you serious...that makes no sense, that area's very desireable (sounding perplexed). I bet they owned it for a long time...that's why the rent is so low"
(is reality sinking in for this guy?)

99   Jamie   2005 Sep 14, 3:44am  

Face Reality, I agree with you to some small extent. Except that I think I do have it both ways. I work in a difficult, competitive creative profession, but I can do it at home, and I've made choices that allow me to be home with my kids and be there for them when they need me. I've chosen to work smarter when I can rather than harder--to use my work time as efficiently as I can so that I have time with my kids. To sometimes work at night so that I'm with them during the day--that sort of thing.

I realize everyone can't work at home, so I'm lucky in that respect. But I can't write it all off as luck, because I took risks and made difficult choices and worked hard to have the job that I have.

My husband's career field is a better example of where it's harder to have balance. There's a workaholic culture that doesn't buy into the "work smarter rather than longer" philosophy. I think the balanced attitude there is for people to get as much as they can done during work hours so that they can leave the office at 5 or 5:30, rather than competing to see who can stay latest. It means the difference between having an hour or so with the kids before they go to bed, or only seeing them on weekends.

So I wasn't arguing that everyone should just take the easy, low-stress jobs. I just think making family a priority that's larger than work is a difficult but worthwhile choice.

100   Peter P   2005 Sep 14, 3:47am  

There’s a workaholic culture that doesn’t buy into the “work smarter rather than longer” philosophy.

Exactly!

101   Peter P   2005 Sep 14, 4:23am  

If you short them and are wrong, you can lose big $$$$ - so use a stop loss. I am neither long or short the builders, have a short position in one of the mortgage lenders

Very true. Stop loss is not exactly a silver bullet because the market can gap. Keep getting stopped out is no fun at all.

I am implementing some "short" positions using deep ITM Put options, which has minimal time-decay and reasonable leverage. This way, I do not need to worry about whipsaws.

IMO, the secular bull market of the homebuilders has not ended yet. It is not prudent to take straight short positions in them.

(Not investment advice)

102   Peter P   2005 Sep 14, 4:26am  

And, for a little more irony–the guy’s an economics editor for one of the larger academic publishers.

I am going to pen a publication on brain surgery. :mrgreen:

103   HARM   2005 Sep 14, 4:38am  

Part of the problem is that people think that pills work–they greatly overestimate the potential effect of medical intervention at every level.

East Bay Renter,

I am just amazed at the biochemical smorgasborg of patent drugs that some people think they "need" to carry them through the day. I have one aunt in particular who takes a panoply of drugs according to a rigid daily schedule. She has been doing this for years and is in awful health. I (and her husband) believe she would feel much better if she just weaned herself off all these drugs, ate right and exercised more. Of course, by now she'd probably have severe withdrawal symptoms.

104   Peter P   2005 Sep 14, 4:48am  

I would expect to see more evidence of them in my everyday life outside this blog, but I just don’t see this.

Well, I guess you do not personally know people who "own" 10-15 properties using NAAVLPs. And you must not have chatted with realtors who believe that the risky loans are reaching a boiling point.

BTW, I do not see any evidence of problems in the educational system outside of this blog either. (smily face goes here)

105   Peter P   2005 Sep 14, 4:49am  

Face Reality, by the way, welcome back too. Can you ask Fake P to come back as well, please? :)

106   losstotheworld   2005 Sep 14, 4:52am  

dear all,
I was in brazil. I saw 2 bed room apartments for 100,000
us $. in rio de janeiro. its a very nice country as long as you know portuguese.

so why should you spend millions of dollars on housing in sanfrancisco?

107   HARM   2005 Sep 14, 4:53am  

New thread: Stage 1: Denial

108   Peter P   2005 Sep 14, 4:54am  

I heard that Brazil is beautiful. I wish to visit there someday.

109   KurtS   2005 Sep 14, 4:55am  

I would expect to see more evidence of them in my everyday life outside this blog,

Well, as an example: I've seen a huge increase in "for sale" signs over the past couple weeks, Marin County and Los Altos to name a few. I think the numbers also support rising inventory. So where are the buyers--haven't the lenders made it "easy" enough for them? ;)

110   Peter P   2005 Sep 14, 5:00am  

Personally, I guess I don’t know enough about exotic options to mess with them - don’t have a handle on risk control, don’t know how to backtest systems.

Not exotic options, just plain vanilla exchanged-traded options. You are right that they are very difficult to backtest though.

Do you use mechanical trading systems for stocks?

As for gaps up - that is true, but I still won’t take a position long or short without a stop.

Same here.

111   Peter P   2005 Sep 14, 5:30am  

I think prices are stabilizing finally in the BA, but a crash isn’t in the cards. We’ll see what actually happens.

We will see.

112   Peter P   2005 Sep 14, 5:32am  

Peter - I use a combination of mechanical and discretionary systems. I must understand the fundamental position to enter - but use mechanical methods to time entry/exit. Positions must be in direction of intermediate trend. Exits are 100% mechanical

Do you develop your own systems? I tend to tinker with my systems until they break, then I move on to work on some other systems. In the end, I just do not have enough faith in my own systems.

113   Peter P   2005 Sep 14, 5:58am  

Wayne S., you must be brave to use channel breakout (CBO) on stocks. Have you tried that in currency futures? It seems that very simple strategies (like MA cross-over and CBO backtest fine with them.

(Not investment advice)

114   SQT15   2005 Sep 14, 6:08am  

SuperQ

True true. But there will probably always be 50% of the population that think the leader sucks, but I guess that's democracy. But you are especially right about one thing, the leaders would go to the private sector because all they're really after is power and money, and people of that stripe do stick together.

Re: Jamie and having it all.

I don't think it's impossible to have the time with the family as long as you are willing to adjust the lifestyle. My husband and I could have the McMansion if I was willing to work, stuff the kids in daycare and spend maybe 2 hours a day with my family, but what kind of life is that? Renting has allowed me to stay home with the kids and my husband the ability to work rational hours and actually see his family.
We are moving to a home that has almost 1900 sqft for $1350 a month. To buy the house we'd have to spend at least twice that (with 100% financing) and not that much less even with a decent down payment. I know there are those who think 1900 sqft is more than we'd need, but when you have kids, sometimes a little elbow room is helpful. :)
But really, renting is the way to go right now, we have a very nice lifestyle without living in a debtors prison. But there are those people who really don't get the sacrifices we've made. I've lived in a duplex for 7 years just so I could be home with the kids, and people I know think I'm strange for making that choice. But when I see how other people's kids behave I know for certain that I have done the right thing.

115   Peter P   2005 Sep 14, 6:27am  

Waynes, have you tried some measures to reduce drawdown? (Like "trading" the equity curve with moving averages)

116   Peter P   2005 Sep 14, 6:37am  

As to renting, you have to remember that people who buy a house do typically gain equity with time, so that huge amount of money that they throw at the mortgage (maybe even the entire income of one of the partners), doesn’t all go to waste.

But we are not in typical times... People who bought at the wrong time did go under water for years, even in the great state of California. Now, if they buy with a non-amortizing loan, there will be very little opportunity to gain equity over the short to medium term.

117   losstotheworld   2005 Sep 14, 6:37am  

re katrina
how can you blame a human being for the acts of mother nature? .in india each year there are floods and thousands die. when i was a student in one of the missionary schools there was a huge disaster in diwi islands of the east coast of india. poor people just accepted it as their fate and whoever survived were just happy to be alive. so when you compare India, where nobody takes blame nor responsibility for anything the response to katrina has been as good as humanely possible.

but americans are not satisfied with humane response they expect every ameican to be heroes and superhumanbeings. In a time of crisis every one has a split second to make a decision either to run for their own lives or stand and help fellow human beings. i dont think it is upto us to judge these moments.

i think it is good to dissect out what went right or wrong

but not go so far as to bring criminal charges against non suspecting nursing home owners.

i love the usa,my adopted home land for 10 years. however i do think that too much litigation, too much of fault finding and
blame game may be couter productive

118   SQT15   2005 Sep 14, 6:39am  

Face Reality

All good points, and one's we think about. Right now we rely on the 401K IRA's and other investments to save for the future. My husband already has six figures saved toward retirement, it may not be seven figures, but it's a start. I simply think that at this time renting is the choice for us. It allows us to have a balanced lifestyle. If we bought all our money would be wrapped up in the house, so we'd be absolutely dependant on an appreciating market to make buying a smart choice. Sacramento is not the BA and I don't believe for a second this market will sustain the gains made in the last few years.

You are right that it would be tough for me to re-enter the workforce, but not impossible. I am college educated, but if really necessary I'll take a less skilled job if it allows us to make ends meet. I was a school teacher prior to having kids. As you already know, teachers don't make the big bucks and day care would have eaten up most of that income anyway. So financially, staying home works.

As far as helping my kids buy a house in the future? The jury's still out on that one. I don't want to raise my kids to expect handouts. If the time comes and the market is still so out of whack that there is no other alternative, then maybe. But my husband and I are doing it ourselves and I'm proud of that.

119   SQT15   2005 Sep 14, 6:44am  

hesses fan

Thanks for another perspective. It's too easy to forget how good we have it here and how high our expectations are. And there is NO doubt that we have too much litigation.

120   losstotheworld   2005 Sep 14, 6:45am  

dear peter,
brazil i s an awsome country. i went to foz de iguazzu.
the water falls and the park is just amazing.

we also went to rio and sao paulo. saw a lot of americans there . rio is very touristy. sao paulo is huge huge metropolis.

brailians are very accepting of other people. they are very beautiful. very simple and spiritual. also lot of problems like drugs and crime and according to brazilians inept police.

most brazilians want to come to usa. they dont speak en glish well. their

121   Peter P   2005 Sep 14, 6:49am  

What is your trading technique(s)?

I have stopped trading for a while. Only recently I started trading again. I still have huge psychological issues with drawdowns and faith. As a result, I spend time playing around with systems mostly in backtesting.

So I was mostly a trading system junkie. :(

122   Peter P   2005 Sep 14, 6:53am  

Wayne S., I guess I have put too much focus on futures, which are difficult to scale. Now, I am moving my focus to stocks, hopefully I can manage my psychology better with a diversified portfolio of smaller positions.

Let me know if you want to discuss about trading system ideas.

123   SQT15   2005 Sep 14, 7:00am  

It's interesting to me that there is this perception that significant savings cannot be accumulated unless you own RE. One of my husband's good friends, who is also a client, has never owned RE and has several hundred thousand saved toward retirement. He's 34 and his wife is 28. They lived in the BA, but now live in Hong Kong. They've never done fancy investing. It's all been through living within their means and conservative investing. All they have to do is continue what they've been doing and they'll have millions when they retire.

124   Peter P   2005 Sep 14, 7:33am  

One problem with not buying your home is that it’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking that you’re ok with less income. It’s tempting not to work as hard, or to start relying on just one income.

No way. There is a long list of things that I need to achieve.

125   Jamie   2005 Sep 14, 7:37am  

Face Reality,

You bring up some of the big stressors involved in being a parent today, that's for sure. I agree with Sacto that it is possible to have one parent stay at home and still accumulate significant savings. I think it's becoming harder and harder to do that in the BA though, which explains the flight of so many families to more inexpensive areas.

I have some friends (not BA residents) who are a great example of how to live on one income and still save for their retirement, a future house purchase, and their kids' college. They're *very* careful with their money, living on a strict budget below their means. They buy the kids' toys used at garage sales (toys are crap anyway--mostly a waste of money), some of the kids' clothes at garage sales, they don't eat out a lot (eating out is a huge PITA with small kids anyway, so it's ultimately a waste of money if you're on a budget), and they don't make many frivolous purchases. This might sound like a miserable lifestyle to some people, but they're really quite happy, and they make allowances for occasional vacations, little splurges here and there. To them, having one parent stay at home is more important than having a bunch of new stuff.

As far as the problem of the stay-at-home parent having trouble returning to work after a long absence, there may be obstacles involved, but it's not that big a deal. I know plenty of women who've done it.

Regarding how to accumulate savings without owning real estate, we do it partly by taking what we would be paying into a mortgage and putting the money into savings and conservative investments.

126   SQT15   2005 Sep 14, 8:44am  

Face Reality

Do you have kids? Kids have had a significant impact on how we live. There will never be a lifestyle, a house or investments that will be worth more to me than being home with the kids. We are planning our retirement, we do hope to own within a few years and believe me, my husband works hard to keep pushing us forward.

It is scary to go to one income, but as you do have the option of going back to work if necessary. I know couples who are totally dependent on two incomes and are screwed if one person loses their job, basically the same boat we're in. My husband has been at his company 10 years, he's on the highest earning team in the N Ca complex and as long as the team does well his job outlook is good. The team has been together for 30+ years, so there's little risk at this time. We've weighed the options and are happy with our choice.

127   Peter P   2005 Sep 14, 9:37am  

The trick is to make a lot of money from something before it collapses, and it’s always a gamble…

I absolutely agree. The world is changing so quickly. The only way to survive is prudent speculation.

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