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if they're comfortable being told by a Muslim DMV employee that women will not be given driver's licenses, in keeping with Wahhabism and Sharia Law.
The Muslim should lose their job or be reassigned to a position that doesn't conflict with her religious beliefs. Not thrown in jail. I had a Muslim that worked for my team who we had to reassign to another task because he prayed 5 times a day and couldn't work in the field.
Besides, your analogy is not apt since women have been allowed to drive as long as there have been cars. Gay marriage has only been legal nationwide for a few months and many prominent Democrats like Obama and Hillary were publicly against gay marriage (for the same reasons as "crazed Christians" and this Democrat official in Kentucky) a couple years ago.
Gay marriage is a NEW THING for civilization.
Charitable people on the LGBT side of the argument should expect that there is going to be some cases like this in Kentucky for a little while and not try to collect scalps. They risk pissing away alot of the good will they have quickly accumulated over the last decade thanks to non-stop programming by our media where Americans are clueless thinking fully a quarter of the population is gay.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/americans-have-no-idea-how-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/
In reality, we have 2-4% of the population that is born or conditioned to be attracted emotionally and physically to the same sex. And a smaller percentage of gays who want to get married and stay in a monogamous relationship.........let alone adopt and raise kids. We should show gay people tolerance and love, but we shouldn't be celebrating their condition as being ideal or even equal when it comes to raising families.......which used to be the main reason behind the institution of marriage (at least in terms of the interest of the State).
Besides, your analogy is not apt since women have been allowed to drive as long as there have been cars.
Yep. Furthermore government-sponsored marriage is not a right, but a positive discrimination privilege given by the government. Bearing arms or operating vehicles are rights preceding any government. The current legal issue wrt contempt though remains if she doesn't quit by herself.
We should show gay people tolerance and love, but we shouldn't be celebrating their condition as being ideal or even equal when it comes to raising families.......which used to be the main reason behind the institution of marriage (at least in terms of the interest of the State).
Separate, but unequal. Tolerate them and show them some love, but not as equals - more like the way you would love your dog or even a slave if that were still allowed. Yes, that sounds about right.
Tolerate them and show them some love, but not as equals
In terms of marriage and raising families - yes.
If you are a State adoption agency and you have a heterosexual and a homosexual couple wanting to adopt a child. If all things are equal between the 2 couples in terms of finances, education, housing, school district etc,........isn't it a no-brainer that it would be better to adopt to the heterosexual couple?
The Muslim should lose their job or be reassigned to a position that doesn't conflict with her religious beliefs. Not thrown in jail.
This is an elected position. She can't just lose her job. Contempt of court is the only path here, and it's quite constitutional.
There is no hole in the system on this one. I understand that you don't like the call, but at this point you're just working the refs when the replay shows nothing to complain about.
Gay marriage is a NEW THING for civilization.
So were driving and voting (for women) at one point. Back then, county clerks and governments did their jobs or were fired or jailed in contempt, as appropriate.
Our republic has decided, through a Constitutional process, that gay marriage is legal. There is nothing to argue about here.
The Muslim should lose their job or be reassigned to a position that doesn't conflict with her religious beliefs. Not thrown in jail. I had a Muslim that worked for my team who we had to reassign to another task because he prayed 5 times a day and couldn't work in the field.
What if the Muslim's belief is to stone you to death for adultery? Should they be allowed to do that?
I'd like to ask crazed Christian extremists if they're comfortable being told by a Muslim DMV employee that women will not be given driver's licenses, in keeping with Wahhabism and Sharia Law.
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Cant speak for those with half my IQ, but as a solid white American Rationalist jag-off, i'd welcome the idea. Sounds like Sharia Law would make the roads infinitely safer.
What if the Muslim's belief is to stone you to death for adultery? Should they be allowed to do that?
Uh no- cause that is murder.
What if the Muslim's belief is to stone you to death for adultery? Should they be allowed to do that?
Uh no- cause that is murder
But that is their belief from God and they actually do that in some countries. So the Muslim will say it is murder in man's world but not by God. So this woman is following her belief in God in opposing secular laws-where do we draw the line?
This is an elected position. She can't just lose her job. Contempt of court is the only path here, and it's quite constitutional.
In a normal and tolerant society not run by Authoritarian Progs, we allow for "accommodations" when we make big changes to our laws like 5 judges just did at the Supreme Court.
Again, about 2 months ago Gay Marriage was not legal in many states. A few years before that it was not legal in most of the world.
They could have found better ways to get through this situation without jailing people. This gay couple presumably waited years for the Supreme Court to legalize gay marriage in Kentucky, they couldn't wait a few more days to deputize other clerks or find a way to recall or impeach this Democrat?
they couldn't wait a few more days to deputize other clerks
They gave her the option-she refused.
Now I don't believe in the war on drugs. But if I become a judge and have to follow mandatory sentencing-can I free any drug related defendant that comes by my way?
In a normal and tolerant society not run by Authoritarian Progs, we allow for "accommodations" when we make big changes to our laws like 5 judges just did at the Supreme Court.
The accommodation you speak of amounts to coddling a public employee who openly defies the lines of authority.
People who abuse a position of authority or fail to do their jobs should be got rid of. I would think that a self-described "conservative" would be delighted to see a failing public servant dealt with quickly and decisively. Aren't conservatives constantly complaining about the lack of accountability in the public sector?
People who abuse a position of authority or fail to do their jobs should be got rid of.
Starting here?
Get impeachment through the House, then get the Senate to impeach.
If that happens, and Obama refuses to leave the White House, I would support jailing him.
Get impeachment through the House, then get the Senate to impeach.
If that happens, and Obama refuses to leave the White House, I would support jailing him.
OK - so why couldn't they impeach this Democrat clerk in Kentucky? That is the option available to remove her from her post.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/02/qa-ky-clerk-gay-marriage-license-case/71567812/
And as I pointed out earlier, why weren't Gavin Newsom and Jerry Brown impeached or even reprimanded for not following the State's laws when gay marriage was still illegal?
The law is the law and all that - right?
She also could have done like all the other county clerks with religious objections to gay marriage and had one of her younger Obama-fan junior clerks perform the marriage.
I think she was making a point. It costs to make a point. In this case it costs her a few days of freedom to exercise her religious freedom. Many highly regarded people throughout history (MLK anyone?) would consider this a fair trade.
In Kentucky, her jail time will ensure her reelection. Them rednecks and poor blacks don't like the gays, and certainly don't think they ought to be getting married. Rest assured Davis is a local hero.
Look, it's very simple. Here's an imperfect analogy
Quaker joins the USN and flies F-18s. He's instructed to engage the enemy, and refuses, because he's a Quaker.
USAF gives him several choices: Resign, or fire on the enemy planes. He refuses to do either.
Nobody, I mean nobody, certainly not Huckabee, would be screaming "TYRANNY! SOCIALIZM!! OBAMANAZI!! The JEWZ, JEZUITS, NWO, POLICE STATE!!!" if the USAF discharged the guy (or put him in prison).
She's wrong Cake boy is not.
She works in the Court house issuing legal doccuments. The SOP for people of the same sex to legally benefit share, is to get a cohabitation request form.
That is the way the court should look at it, that is the way the church should look at it, and bakers and tailors can decide if they only do religious ceramony stuff.
TN judge won't grant straight couple divorce, because of gay marriage!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/04/tenn-judge-refuses-to-grant-straight-couple-a-divorce-because-of-gay-marriage/
I wonder if he is voting for Trump?
Trump has had 3 marriages-or is that not enough since the KY clerk is on her 4th one??
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/politics/kentucky-clerk-same-sex-marriage-kim-davis/
This is the America we live in now.
Yet when elected officials in San Francisco refuse to follow the law on sanctuary cities which actually results in people being killed, they aren't even fined.
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