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thunderlips11 says

Nothing to do with Marx. It has to do with 18th Century Philosophers guessing about how the world they lived in came about. Their guesses were wrong, unequivably.

Irrelevant, without it the world would be N Korea

indigenous says

Irrelevant, without it the world would be N Korea

Jesus Christ, it's not irrelevant, it's the basis for their statements about the origin of private property - and YOU brought it up.

You're like the Journey song, man. "Don't stop, believin'. Despite evidence, hold on to your Austrian feelin's"

It is IRRELEVANT , the only reason anyone's standard of living is ever raised is because of private property.

The only reason the hospitals have a monopoly is because of government.

thunderlips11 says

You're like the Journey song, man. "Don't stop, believin'. Despite evidence, hold on to your Austrian feelin's"

That's good. Better than the austrian mantra of "it's true because I believe it should be true".

Projecting...

indigenous says

It is IRRELEVANT , the only reason anyone's standard of living is ever raised is because of private property.

That's the most idiotic thing you've said yet and that's a really really high bar. Many of the poorest countries in the world have private property. It's the ability to own private property within a system of laws that protect private property and enforce contract law along with a stable banking system for capital that raises the standard of living. Even then there are no guarantees.

indigenous says

Projecting...

Nope no need to project anything, you've proven this point time and time again.

bob2356 says

That's the most idiotic thing you've said yet and that's a really really high bar. Many of the poorest countries in the world have private property. It's the ability to own private property within a system of laws that protect private property and enforce contract law along with a stable banking system for capital that raises the standard of living. Even then there are no guarantees.

N Korea has a wonderful rule of law. Yes it is a number of things but private property is indispensable. E.G. China has only had private property for a couple of decades, which coincides with their expansion.

bob2356 says

Nope no need to project anything, you've proven this point time and time again.

You mutts are not nearly as erudite as you think you are.

indigenous says

E.G. China has only had private property for a couple of decades, which coincides with their expansion.

China doesn't have private property. Sorry to burst your bubble. All property in china is owned by the state and people get land usage rights. Look it up.

bob2356 says

China doesn't have private property. Sorry to burst your bubble. All property in china is owned by the state and people get land usage rights. Look it up.

Back at ya, they have for about 2 decades.

And if not that just furthers my point.

indigenous says

N Korea has a wonderful rule of law.

Rule of Law != Government Authority.

Regardless, the missing element is private property.

Buildings should be private property, not land.

And one's body should be private property not subject to search or intrusion by the government regarding what you can put in it.

Dan8267 says

Buildings should be private property, not land.

Many things should be private property including land. The main factor is whether the individual commingled his labor with the property.

indigenous says

Many things should be private property including land. The main factor is whether the individual commingled his labor with the property.

So if I commingled my labor with copyrighted music and movies, by transcoding them into a new codec, then it becomes my private property. Commingling sounds like a great euphemism for theft.

Hell, if building a house on public land makes the land yours, then if I paint that house it becomes mine.

Hmmm, can I plant weed on the White House lawn and make that land mine? After all, it's just as undeveloped as any land has ever been.

Dan8267 says

So if I commingled my labor with copyrighted music and movies, by transcoding them into a new codec, then it becomes my private property. Commingling sounds like a great euphemism for theft.

You will notice that you tube videos of musicians in concert but have something added to them by the creator of the you tube video don't get yanked, while the ones who don't have any changes get yanked.

Dan8267 says

Hell, if building a house on public land makes the land yours, then if I paint that house it becomes mine.

Trouble is someone commingled before you.

Dan8267 says

Hmmm, can I plant weed on the White House lawn and make that land mine? After all, it's just as undeveloped as any land has ever been.

I don't know try it and video tape how it goes, but make sure you upload it and post it on Pat.net before they give you a wedding dress.

indigenous says

Trouble is someone commingled before you.

You mean like the Native Americas who commingled all the land in our country before white man set foot on it?

indigenous says

Dan8267 says

Hmmm, can I plant weed on the White House lawn and make that land mine? After all, it's just as undeveloped as any land has ever been.

I don't know

Then you are conceding that the idea that "commingling" is a bullshit way of claiming to forever own land.

Dan8267 says

You mean like the Native Americas who commingled all the land in our country before white man set foot on it?

Government = force

What percentage of the time has the US not been practicing empire?

Dan8267 says

Then you are conceding that the idea that "commingling" is a bullshit way of claiming to forever own land.

No sarcasm, once again someone commingled before you got there.

indigenous says

Government = force

military = force

Fixed that for ya. So, how much should we slash the defense budget? 90%?

Fine by me

indigenous says

Fine by me

Then never vote Republican, because they always increase military spending.

Ironman says

Then never vote Democrat, because they always increase spending on everything else, including entitlements.

You mean Social Security?

It doesn't matter who gets in it will be the same. The ONLY thing a politician cares about is getting elected.

BTW if you really want to get pissed, I checked about 6 bookie sites, everyone of them predict Hillary Clinton to win by a landslide. These guys are really good at predicting the outcomes.

I'm a thinking that the constituents have changed to where mutts like Dan are the norm, how fucked up is that?