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That's a nice change from the selfies - Thanks!

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_ 2016 May 30, 2:09pm

Go pull charts of the LFPR for 25 to 54

Ok 81%

Due to Demographics you naturally get a uptick

Final data lines correlates .. shocking .. right with the census data and demographics

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_ 2016 May 30, 2:10pm

That is the simple reason fewer homes are being sold

Which tracks employment to population metrics... shocking how that works, isn't it?

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_ 2016 May 30, 2:11pm

Logan feels working full time at Home Depot making $15/hr is awesome, e

If that's all you can do, that's all you go do then

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smaulgld 2016 May 30, 2:13pm

Somehow, Logan feels working full time at Home Depot making $15/hr is awesome, even though that same worker use to have a job paying $30/hr with full benefits. Hey, the government stats tell us UE is at 5%, so every thing is great and tons of people will be buying new houses on their new $15./hr wage..

People are doing so well that we don't need free collidge and helt care in dis cundree. We don't need no stinking money from dah won pahsent we can take care of ourselves!

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smaulgld 2016 May 30, 2:14pm

That is the simple reason fewer homes are being sold

Which tracks employment to population metrics... shocking how that works, isn't it?

Higher new home prices and fewer people with income to buy them- yes simple- no chart or selfie required to explain

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_ 2016 May 30, 2:16pm

Higher new home prices and fewer people with income to buy them- yes simple- no chart or selfie required to explain

Shocking how this stuff works

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_ 2016 May 30, 2:18pm

One of these days, you guys are going to remember my demographic economics and then it's going to make sense

Outer band limits can be discussed both positive and negative

But not the core thesis ...

That's kind of how economics works

If you theories were valid we would see much lower bands of economic output.. especially in this cycle...

Which I have said since 2010, was going to be weak... but you guys are taking it to a much darker place...

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_ 2016 May 30, 2:20pm

And that's the problem with your skewed narrative... you just want to count "bodies" employed versus reality on the ground.

I do feel sorry for a high school drop out working at Home Depot, or a non college educated America working at home depot and a non trade show Skill American working at home depot

But ...

They're working and if they were in a lot other countries they wouldn't be working at all...

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_ 2016 May 30, 2:21pm

Back to the cute thesis

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smaulgld 2016 May 30, 2:32pm

Back to the cute thesis

The chart you posted above shows those aged 25-54 have fewer part time jobs which makes sense given they are less attached to the labor force in general as the chart below shows:

This 25-54 age group is not working as much,
their incomes are not rising,
they have over a trillion in student loan debt (nearly half in default) and
new home prices are at all time highs, so fewer new homes are sold.

No amount of posting endless charts and ridicule will change that.

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_ 2016 May 30, 2:39pm

There you go.. I wasn't referring to the high school kid or non-educated... but you refuse to read and learn.

Who do think is working at these jobs

College 2015 Grad median pay is 48K-54K...

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_ 2016 May 30, 2:42pm

See the %, do you now get why I find this thesis to be strange

It moves with employment to population metrics

Look at the % gaps, I mean you're basically saying America is a failure because

The last remaining high school drop outs, high school grads, and those who are drug addicts and criminal active aren't working full time jobs?

Because the rest are working

Again, you guys are versed in the data and now you're making my points for me

This is all you guys got about how pathetic America is ..

Try harder than that ....

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_ 2016 May 30, 2:48pm

Back to the cute thesis, look at all these job openings???

Where the hell are these last remaining Americans not working??

Might it be that prime age labor force growth has something to do it...

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smaulgld 2016 May 30, 5:40pm

There are many EXPERIENCE workers at Home Depot (business people, experience contractors, etc.) who are working there

I know a few-they don't make it to a chart

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smaulgld 2016 May 31, 3:32am

The question remains unanswered. New home sales remain abysmal. Why? If there is a supposed roaring economy with full employment and rising incomes why hasn't that translated into new home sales?

Nothing to do with no wage growth, massive student loan debt overhand/defaults, low labor participation rate among 25-54 year olds and all time new home prices?

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_ 2016 May 31, 5:17am

massive student loan debt

Majority of Student loan debt is under 14K

30% of all student loan debt are from college drop outs and the average balance their is 9K

40% of total Student loan debt are from Grad students and trust me on this ... you don't need to worry about Grad Students, they will be fine

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Strategist 2016 May 31, 5:26am

30% of all student loan debt are from college drop outs and the average balance their is 9K

40% of total Student loan debt are from Grad students and trust me on this ... you don't need to worry about Grad Students, they will be fine

I don't even see student loans as a problem. If no one went to college our country would become like Africa.

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_ 2016 May 31, 5:27am

A better thesis to use for the weak demand curve for new homes in this cycle, which I have been writing about for years

1. New Homes much more expensive than existing homes

2. The build out curve has been bigger and bigger homes making the demand curve much less

3. Without exotic loans, the capacity for the middle end to buy higher end is limited

4. Massive over investment and over purchase new home housing bust from the previous cycle

Looking longer term, you will need the builders to build cheaper homes to get the growth because their are limits on the high end

5. Demographics prime age labor for growth peaked in 2007

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_ 2016 May 31, 5:28am

Strategist says

I don't even see student loans as a problem. If no one went to college our country would become like Africa.

Most of the wage, income and job problems comes from those who don't finish high school or never go to college

All my buyers for the last 20 years had one thing in common

They went to college

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Strategist 2016 May 31, 6:04am

All my buyers for the last 20 years had one thing in common

They went to college

Which is why they can afford OC prices.

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_ 2016 May 31, 6:35am

Aren't we in 2016, not 2012?

2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 all the data lines are very similar, never changed at all

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_ 2016 May 31, 6:35am

People aren't versed in this data line, because they hear on T.V. that everyone has 70K

Tsk tsk....

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_ 2016 May 31, 6:42am

This is why the real focus problem group is the 30% of total college debt held by college drop outs, they make up majority of the delinquent loans in the loan profile

Because college Grads work and base median pay for 2015 was between 48K-54K

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_ 2016 May 31, 6:49am

Again

Because student loan debt can't BK like other debts, the nominal growth will be flushed higher because you can't BK the debt

This stuff works on being not versed in the data, I know, I have seen this for 8 years on social media, especially on facebook...

But you have to explain all the variables

40% of all student loan debt comes from Grad students which make 100% of the higher debt loads

:-)

58 HEY YOU 2016 May 31, 7:19am

No jobs/poor paying jobs,no consumers.

The economy doesn't need no stinkin' consumers.
We just need to to pray to our pretzel logic economic theology to make things change.
More fiat currency,more subprime loans,more financial instruments & reduction in manufactured goods. "YEAH! That's the ticket."

59 HEY YOU 2016 May 31, 7:22am

Creation of more "apps" & tech gadgets will certainly send the economy soaring.

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_ 2016 May 31, 7:35am

https://loganmohtashami.com/2016/01/25/home-builders-new-homes-sales-and-the-affordability-myth/

and you try and spin your way out of reality..

It's not spin it's data

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_ 2016 May 31, 7:37am

Some of you are preaching to the man who said demand would be soft this entire cycle, but I am not making some end of American growth thesis here

I really do explain it here

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Dan8267 2016 May 31, 8:39am

There's always the July 4th party, which is bigger. I wonder if Dan will show up this year.

How the fuck can I show up at your address when you refuse to reveal it like the coward you are just like you were two cowardly to meet up at a public place? That's all on you.

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smaulgld 2016 May 31, 8:56am

if you're carrying a ton of school debt, it makes it a whole lot tougher to get approved for a mortgage..

Logic that no amount of chart or selfie postings can refute

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_ 2016 May 31, 9:04am

If any of you can show me any actual evidence that student loan debt has held back housing for first time home buyers and not demographics in a meaningful way

I would love to see that work, I mean actual evidence

But you guys with conservative economic views are trying to say

Educated people who are making money buy homes

Uneducated people can't buy homes but for some reason this group is actually the ones with the big student loan debt and they don't show up in the data

I mean really....

Is this the thesis you have going here?

Come on, try harder than that

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Strategist 2016 May 31, 9:16am

Ironman says

if you're carrying a ton of school debt, it makes it a whole lot tougher to get approved for a mortgage..

Logic that no amount of chart or selfie postings can refute

Higher educated people have more debt, but they also have more income. Higher incomes make it easier to qualify.
eg. A Doctor with $250K in student loan debt will still qualify for an entry level home.
eg. A High school drop out with Zero student loans is unlikely to qualify for an entry level home.

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smaulgld 2016 May 31, 9:33am

Strategist says

Higher educated people have more debt, but they also have more income. Higher incomes make it easier to qualify.

And the new home sales show that people are not brushing aside poor job prospects and student loan debt and buying new homes. New homes are being sold at rates last seen in the 1960's when the population was just 187 million.

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_ 2016 May 31, 9:38am