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I wonder why Sander supporters won't back Hillary?

Bernie Sanders endorsing Crooked Hillary Clinton is like Occupy Wall Street endorsing Goldman Sachs.

Trump is right again

Ironman says

visceral dislike for Hillary Clinton

What a long-winded nuanced way of saying "misogyny." How precious!

Our presidential and congressional elections are chock full of male candidates less likeable and more sleazy than Hillary Clinton. For example, the current Republican (presumptive) nominee, being a birther who welshes on contracts with vendors and makes fun of handicapped people, is sleazier than Hillary.

For some reason, double dealing and hard-ass behavior is not acceptable in Hillary's case. There's something different about her. I wonder what it could be?

Voters continue to support members of the Big Club.

If Trump is elected,he becomes a lifetime member of the club.
By the way he will be told what to do & say.
At least he will not accept one cent of political donations.roflmao

Does "Lying Fucks" apply to all politicians & "STUPID FUCKS" to the voters?

errc says

ernie doesn't support Clinton. This is likely a calculated move, to help defeat her.

Perhaps Hillary's rich donors paid off Sander's campaign debts in order to get the endorsement.... It wouldn't be the firs time something like this has happened.
Call me silly, but I have to think that there is some money involved here.

There's definitely money involved. The Saudi/Isis blood money that the Clintons depend on, said tell Bernie whatever you have to, so that he shuts up and goes away. Once you dispose of him, you can revert back to doing Allahs work. Lying and screwing people over is all you know!

Jill Stein would be a productive vote. Write-in votes for other candidates are likely not to be recognized.

zzyzzx says

Perhaps Hillary's rich donors paid off Sander's campaign debts in order to get the endorsement.... It wouldn't be the firs time something like this has happened.

Call me silly, but I have to think that there is some money involved here.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/11/vp-wannabe-newt-gingrich-still-4-6-million-in-debt.html

"The good news for the people still looking to get paid is that Gingrich joining a presidential ticket would make it much easier for him to raise campaign cash."

Maybe Hillary agreed to give Bernie some "sweet loving" if he would endorse her. Bernie, you can do better in Vegas.

Blurtman says

Jill Stein would be a productive vote.

Why not just vote for Trump directly?

That would be productive as well.

Pretty much anything you can do to help keep Clinton from the presidency, is productive

I think there is a Jane's Addiction song about this.

This is shocking, NOT.

I never for an instant imagined this would not happen.

Newsflash: Bernie was always smart enough to strongly prefer Hillary over Trump.

In terms of the presidential election this November, there is no doubt that the election of Donald Trump as president would be a devastating blow to all that we are fighting for. His openly bigoted and pro-billionaire campaign could precipitate the same decades-long rightward shift in American politics that happened after the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980. That rightward shift after Reagan’s election infected not just politics as a whole but led to the ascendancy of the corporatist wing of the Democratic Party – an era from which we are still recovering.
I cannot in good conscience let that happen.
To have all of the work we have done in elevating our progressive ideals be dashed away by a complete Republican takeover of Washington – a takeover headed by a candidate that demonizes Latinos, Muslims, women, African Americans, veterans, and others – would be unthinkable.
Today, I endorsed Hillary Clinton to be our next president. I know that some of you will be disappointed with that decision. But I believe that, at this moment, our country, our values, and our common vision for a transformed America, are best served by the defeat of Donald Trump and the election of Hillary Clinton.
You should know that in the weeks since the last primary, both campaigns have worked together in good faith to bridge some of the policy issues that divided us during the election. Did we come to agreement on everything? Of course not. But we made important steps forward.
Hillary Clinton released a debt free college plan that we developed together which now includes free tuition at public colleges and universities for working families. This was a major part of our campaign’s agenda and a proposal that, if enacted into law, would revolutionize higher education in this country.
Secretary Clinton has also publicly committed to massive investments in health care for communities across this country that will increase primary care, including mental health care, dental care, and low-cost prescription drug access for an additional 25 million people. Importantly, she has also endorsed the enactment of a so-called public option to allow everyone in this country to participate in a public insurance program. This idea was killed by the insurance industry during consideration of President Obama’s health care program.

So Bernie negotiated some changes in the Clinton campaign platform. This is irrelevant. Progressive changes have zero chance to be implemented within the current political structure. For me the main appeal of Bernie was the promise to: (1) use mass movement and pressure to override the resistance of the lobby government; and (2) attempt to change this structure.

Now it is business as usual.

For those that are mad at Bernie, what did you want him to do? What outcome would you have preferred for Bernie and for the election?

This whole thread is idiotic. Bernie ran on the Democratic ticket. It's a sell-out to support the Democratic nominee?

Bernie may not agree with some of Clinton's positions, but I guarantee she is closer to him on most issues than Trump is. As it's a binary choice, he has to choose one of those two so he chose to support the sane one.

Maybe Bernie can get a job in Real Estate.

YesYNot says

For those that are mad at Bernie, what did you want him to do?

I don't particularly care what he does now, because it's not of much consequence. His legacy is behind him. He showed that a true left-wing candidate has a realistic chance of being elected.

Now we have to wait and see who will be elected first - a right wing or a left wing populist. The former can be as soon as this fall. One of the two is inevitable in the near future, imho.

FP says

One of the two is inevitable in the near future, imho

Would you prefer a right wing or left wing populist?

YesYNot says

Would you prefer a right wing or left wing populist?

You can't tell from my comments? I'm that good acting as impartial observer, eh? :)

I knew there was a big reveal coming for the "Feel the Bern" movement.

So Errc did it Burn?

Feel the Bern was the worst campaign slogan ever btw.
He should have fired the little shit that told him that had viralbility immediately.
Had he won it would have been been very difficult to campaign against "Don't get Berned again".

errc says

There's definitely money involved. The Saudi/Isis blood money that the Clintons depend on, said tell Bernie whatever you have to, so that he shuts up and goes away. Once you dispose of him, you can revert back to doing Allahs work. Lying and screwing people over is all you know!

thanks for posting this! It is possible there are visitors to this site who didn't know what a delusional retarded dumbfuck, you are, and now they know!

The more you know

bernie is great! wait bernie is supporting hillary? what an asshole!
elizabeth warren is great! so smart! really wants to fix the system? Elizabeth just supported Hillary? what a bitch!
Ruth Bader Ginsberg! best justice ever. oh wait, she's saying anti trump stuff, which basically means pro hillary? senile bitch!

the ego an arrogance of you dumbfucks, to think you know better than the true progressive icons of our political world.

Bernie was fooled by the magic clown formerly living in a Maine Town's sewers, but whose appetite is now so strong a few kids won't satiate it.

Hillary for President: "America, We all FLOAT DOWN HERE!"

FP says

You can't tell from my comments?

From many of your comments, I believe you would prefer a left wing populist like Bernie. However, when talking about Bernie's small concessions from Clinton, you seem disappointed him.
When it became clear that Bernie could not get elected this year, he decided to work to stop trump rather than be a spoiler and get trump elected. This is basically an effort to make the populist who wins a left wing one. So there seems to me that there is some contradiction in your posts, but you are leaving a lot unsaid. That is why I was asking.

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

you know better than the true progressive

Yeah but... Hillary .

Appeal to Authority Fallacy

YesYNot says

However, when talking about Bernie's small concessions from Clinton, you seem disappointed him.

No, not disappointed in him for this. I said that it is irrelevant. I also don't think he has much choice. I am only disappointed with the outcome of the primary.

YesYNot says

This is basically an effort to make the populist who wins a left wing one.

I am not sure that Trump wining now is not better for the left in the long run. Often things have to become first really bad before they become good. Also, I can imagine much worse that Trump.

That's a real let down. He was a man of the people, until money got put on the table. :(

Bernie endorsing Hillary is like pretty much any republican endorsing Trump.

YesYNot says

Bernie endorsing Hillary is like pretty much any republican endorsing Trump.

It's more like Adlai Stevenson endorsing General LeMay. Actually Curtis LeMay on PCP.

I'm not locked into any candidate (other than absolutely NOT voting for Hillary), and would tell people that if it were Bernie vs Trump that I'd have a hard time deciding.

Now that Bernie is in bed with the beast, my vote for Trump is ready unless he absolutely blows it and pulls a Perot or Chappaquiddick.

FP says

I said that it is irrelevant. I also don't think he has much choice. I am only disappointed with the outcome of the primary.

I think Bernie had a big impact on Hillary's positions in the primary. As far as an impact after he lossed, well, he didn't have much leverage. I also think there was less of a gulf between Bernie and HRC than that between Trump and his primary opponents.FP says

I am not sure that Trump wining now is not better for the left in the long run. Often things have to become first really bad before they become good. Also, I can imagine much worse that Trump.

I don't think a drug addict hitting rock bottom is an apt metaphor. If you look around at other countries, we are no where near the bottom. IMO, it's appropriate to fight for issues and stock the supreme court with people who are not insane assholes.

FP says

For me the main appeal of Bernie was

probably similar to the main appeal of Obama, which turned out to be hoping for way more than he could deliver. Actually the gap between what we hoped for with Bernie and what we would have gotten was going to be far worse with Bernie. I don't believe it's time yet to even try it. We don't want the youth to get even more disillusioned.

Ironman says

Ah I remember that Meme it got me through many bitter nights in 2008.

marcus says

probably similar to the main appeal of Obama

Not at al! There is a qualitative, radical difference between Bernie and Obama, just like there is between Bernie and Clinton.

YesYNot says

I don't think a drug addict hitting rock bottom is an apt metaphor.

It isn't of course.

Big changes happen when there is a pre-revolutionary situation. Like Europe after WWI (there were revolutions, and there were also men on white horses) or the US after the great depression.