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rando says

Snowden should get the Medal of Honor.

Absolutely. As well as Manning and Assange.

Gosh, there is NOTHING at all about Seth Rich in the NY Times. Should be on the home page, but there is absolutely zero, even when you do a search.

Theres a difference between PC and unfunny

Your "joke" just flopped, because it wasn't funny. Not because you think i was offended

Step your game up

errc says

Your "joke" just flopped

Really? You scanned the brains of every single PatNet user? Now you're just being disingenuous. You have no idea how many people thought it was funny because you are not sitting in an auditorium with all other PatNet users. You simply cannot know what other people think until they volunteer that knowledge.

I fully acknowledge that you did not like the joke, and I don't give a shit. The value of a joke is not determined by those who most dislike it, but rather by those who most enjoy it. No joke will make every person laugh, and that's not even a goal. So quite frankly, your opinion does not amount to squat. If only a single person laughed, the joke was worth telling.

Beyond that, it was worth telling to expose this sickness going through our society in which people express fake outrage at anything politically incorrect, which is the subject matter of the two videos above. Political correctness is a disease with no up side.

But still, you'd think a search on the NY Times would turn up at least something. Their search function goes back a long time.

But there is nothing at all.

www.youtube.com/embed/_uSpj8P-BuU

Show me one person that found it funny, and ill take back what i said

I cant imagine anyone is so lame as to find that "joke" funny.

Now you claiming that i am being PC, thats funny!

errc says

Show me one person that found it funny, and ill take back what i said

errc says

I cant imagine anyone is so lame as to find that "joke" funny.

So, now you are just outright insulting anyone who finds the joke funny. My joke was in no way an attack on Seth Rich, and given the fact that he posed for that picture, it's most likely that he himself would have found the joke funny. In contrast, you are absolutely attacking the social value of anyone who has an honest laugh at the joke, and that's way the fuck meaner than any interpretation of my joke.

errc says

Now you claiming that i am being PC, thats funny!

I think that's exactly what you are doing.

So if a comedian trys a new joke, and nobody laughs, what do you call that?

Is a joke automatically funny just because you made an attempt?

Why do comedians use the term "that joke bombed"?

I always thoughr that meant that it was a failed attempt at humor. Because it wasnt funny

Like your "joke" about the fashion police

errc says

So if a comedian trys a new joke, and nobody laughs, what do you call that?

At this point you are demonstrating the same kind of refusal to listen to reality that conservatives often display in their bubble. Obviously at least two people laughed since two people independently decided to opt in on expressing their pleasure by clicking "like". That places a bear minimum on the number of people who thought the joke was funny. In all likelihood many more found it funny but simply did not click like because most people don't click like or dislike on the vast majority of posts.

But that's not the real issue, is it? This argument isn't about that joke, which is just one of billions of jokes floating around on the Internet. Nor is this argument about you or me or what's funny. We're not that important. No. This argument is really about whether or not humor must be suppressed. The philosophy you are advocating, whether you admit it or not, is that there is some criteria that some people -- clearly not all people, but some -- decide on that justifies crushing a form of free speech and belittling those who participate in or listen to such speech. And quite frankly, that's a very Orwellian view.

Who gets to decide what is appropriate humor and what is not? What criteria can they choose and how readily can they change it with no oversight or agreement from others? And what gives that minority the right to impose their vision of how people should think, feel, and act upon others? What checks and balances are there? Not all oppression is at the hands of government. The forcing of cultural, political, and social norms onto those who would reject them can itself be one of the most terrible forms of oppression. OK, you are not a big enough fish to be concerned with, but it's not just you as the videos above demonstrate. The acceptance of a culture of intolerance of politically or socially discomfort or disagreement is one of the worst social problems in our society today and it's getting worse.

I will not apologize for "triggering" you, and I suggest that you reconsider your worldview before you morph into this.

www.youtube.com/embed/Y69tkCbeC5o

thunderlips11 says

Holy Shit! Assange sez a Leak Source was Seth Rich

Sorry that the thread got way off topic, but the political correctness issue had to be opposed.

You're the one trying to censor free speech

Where is my freedom to critique your "joke"? It's not funny, like many things you post that you think are funny.

This is a free speech forum. I reserve the right to voice my opinion

I'm sorry that it has triggered you, but I wont apologize

errc says

You're the one trying to censor free speech

Bull-fucking-shit. Now you're just making the argument "I know you are but what am I".

errc says

I'm sorry that it has triggered you, but I wont apologize

Another example of saying "I know you are but what am I". Honey, it doesn't work like that. Bill Cosby does not get to accuse the judge of drugging and raping women as a defense of his actions. That would not work.

errc says

Where is my freedom to critique your "joke"? It's not funny, like many things you post that you think are funny.

No one is questioning your freedom to critique the joke, although you have done nothing remotely like critiquing the joke. You can post whatever opinion you want. But honey, freedom of speech goes both ways. I have the freedom to call bullshit on your accusations and demonstrate why you are wrong.

First off, you really need to learn the difference between facts and opinions. Facts are either correct or incorrect. Opinions are neither right nor wrong. It is your opinion that the joke was unfunny. It is a fact that other people disagree with you and find the joke funny. If you cannot differentiate between these two concepts, that's your deficiency and as long as you remain obstinate and unwilling to learn the difference there is no reason for the rest of us to value your opinion. Yeah, you are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to consider your opinion worthless as it is uninformed.

Second, you are trying to avoid the real issue which is why the hell should anyone bow to you as the moral authority over what humor is and is not acceptable? You keep holding yourself in such a superior position over anyone who chuckled at the joke but you give no reason, no evidence to support your own lofty opinion of yourself. This is pure unfounded arrogance. I don't mind arrogance if you can back it up with accomplishments but you have not done so. So I ask again, why the fuck are you the voice of moral authority?

It is your opinion that it was a joke
It is a fact that it was not funny

errc says

It is your opinion that it was a joke

It is a fact that it was not funny

Are you just trying to be a dick? Or do you honestly believe what you just wrote?

I'm trying to let you save face here, but you aren't making it easy.

You have every right to make an attempt at a joke. However, your audience has every right to decide for themselves whether or not it was funny

Rather than going full blown meltdown after being triggered, you should just thank me for saving the show. I flipped the script and roasted your ass, and now you're getting laughs directed at you

Are you just trying to be a dick? Or do you honestly believe what you just wrote?

I'm trying to let you save face here, but you aren't making it easy.

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I'm taking you to school
This is funny!

Its how comedy often works. When someone makes a lame attempt at humor, and fails, it can be a softball for someone that knows funny to step up and give the people what they want. Laughter. It wound up coming at your expense, because theyre laughing at you.

But at least now you have a better understanding of what funny is

errc says

You have every right to make an attempt at a joke. However, your audience has every right to decide for themselves whether or not it was funny

No one is arguing that. You are now trying to substitute a straw man to avoid the issues that you have presented and that were debunked.

1. You asked for proof that anyone found the joke funny and stated

Show me one person that found it funny, and ill take back what i said

Well, you got your proof, so where's your admission that you were wrong?

2. Every post you have made in this thread is based on the premise that humor must be suppressed when it meets some criteria imposed by some person. When pressed about what that criteria is, who decides what the criteria is, and why your opinion should be the authoritarian one, you simply refuse to address any of the questions.

3. You have made numerous straw men arguments including falsely trying to apply my criticisms of your assertions to me without any rational.

4. You have been insulting and condemning anyone who disagrees with your arbitrary opinion about what is acceptable and funny.

5. You make completely nonsensical and clearly false statements like

It is your opinion that it was a joke

It is a fact that it was not funny

When pressed on whether or not you actually believe this, you ignore the question.

It is obvious that whether or not a post is a joke is a factual statement, not an opinion, and whether or not the joke is funny is an opinion, not a fact. The fact that you cannot even muster enough honesty and rationality to admit this demonstrates an enormous degree of emotional immaturity.

I'm presenting you with two options: be rational and have an adult conversation in which you poignantly advocate your position or act like an immature brat and say things that are clearly incorrect. You are choosing the later and looking the fool for doing so. Yes, that is an opinion, but a well-founded one. If your pride makes it now impossible for you to communicate like an adult on this subject matter, I suggest you simply take a time out or shut up completely. Every time you write a childish post, it just makes you look more foolish.

errc says

Rather than going full blown meltdown after being triggered, you should just thank me for saving the show. I flipped the script and roasted your ass, and now you're getting laughs directed at you

And therein lies the problem. You are so self-deluded that you have no grasp on reality. The fact that you actually believe what you just wrote is the reason you are such a moron. You shouldn't be coming out of this conversation with a sense of pride and accomplishment. Shame is the appropriate feeling. Shame is nature's way of letting you know you did something wrong and should change strategies. If you don't have shame about what you've written on this thread, then quite frankly, you are beyond help or hope.

This is why it's important to distinguish between liberals and the left. There are batshit crazy people on the left just like those on the right, and they are batshit crazy for largely the same reasons. Sure, they have opposing arbitrary cultural preferences, but their batshit comes from refusing to acknowledge any reality that contradicts their political or social dogma. Nothing gets in the bubble no matter how rationally and objectively you explain it or how much evidence you provide. If it doesn't fit their petty world view, it must be wrong. If observation contradicts their theory, then the universe must be wrong. There is no debate with batshit. There is only exposing them for what they truly are to the rest of the world in the hope that by exposing the batshit you'll prevent it from spreading.

Ironman says

Dan8267 says

Someone else clearly did get it.

Yeah, when YOU "like" your own post.... sad...

Patrick can easily confirm that this is not the case. @Patrick, feel free to do so.

It's funny how much Errc and Call It Crazy sound alike. And both should feel insulted about that.

Now now dan, i asked for proof from just one person that your "joke" was funny.

You pointed out that two people clicked like on the post.

Are you going to sit here with a straight face, and claim that this constitutes proof?

errc says

Now now dan, i asked for proof from just one person that your "joke" was funny.

You pointed out that two people clicked like on the post.

Are you going to sit here with a straight face, and claim that this constitutes proof?

Yes, you idiot. If two people meet condition X then, by mathematical definition, one person meets condition X.

You nether said nor meant that only one person found it funny. Such intent would not make sense with the point you were so desperately trying to make. Nor is it humorous or poignant to pretend that was your intent.

Finally, you are still avoiding the heart of the issue which is why you or anyone else should be an authority on what is acceptable and unacceptable humor. Your position is very Orwellian.

Take a deep breath, Dan.

You shouldn't get so worked up when someone opines that your jokes aren't funny.

Because i've read your attempts at humor before, and you suck at humor.

Get some thicker skin. One person saying your joke sucked shouldn't trigger a million word meltdown.

the first step, is opening yourself to the possibility that you suck at humor. The next step is going back to the drawing board and getting some better material

When i click like on a post, that means i liked the post. It could also mean that i found it funny. However, just because i liked it, does not necessarily mean that i found it funny

Fuck, for a smart guy, you sure are dense.

You know your joke is funny when you have to spend an hour explaining it

errc says

You shouldn't get so worked up when someone opines that your jokes aren't funny.

Another childish straw man argument. Just because I'm calling you on your bullshit and making a fool of you does not mean I'm worked up. You are making that accusation because you lack the intelligence or the wit to respond to my actual arguments. It's childish and transparent.

Oh, and the reason I'm calling you on your bullshit is because it's not just you whose advocating Orwellian political correctness. As the various videos shown above demonstrate, this is a wide spread phenomenon and one worth opposing. You really need to start reading your opponents posts before responding to them.

Dan8267 says

But that's not the real issue, is it? This argument isn't about that joke, which is just one of billions of jokes floating around on the Internet. Nor is this argument about you or me or what's funny. We're not that important. No. This argument is really about whether or not humor must be suppressed. The philosophy you are advocating, whether you admit it or not, is that there is some criteria that some people -- clearly not all people, but some -- decide on that justifies crushing a form of free speech and belittling those who participate in or listen to such speech. And quite frankly, that's a very Orwellian view.

Reading, it really does help with making counterarguments.

Dan, this is a free speech forum. Say whatever you'd like, and try as hard as you may, i promise you won't offend me.

Simple question.

Is it possible for a joke to not be funny

Correction

Who was Seth Rich

He was an unfortunate soul who caught a glimpse of IHLary tossing babys to the Dworkin Golem, so the Clintonfucks had him snuffed out

Where is the media on this and the jihadi dad ? Barely a few mentions, meanwhile trump's gaffed gets center stage attention on all the cable shows. DEmented , soulless freaks.

The MediaFUCKS!! are in complete collusion with the CORRUPT CLINTONS in a bid to CORONATE the KKKUeen of Terror!

lostand confused says

Where is the media on this and the jihadi dad ? Barely a few mentions, meanwhile trump's gaffed gets center stage attention on all the cable shows. DEmented , soulless freaks.

What are you talking about? A guy got murdered in Washington DC. It got the usual amount of attention.

Conspiracy theories don't typically get a lot of mainstream media coverage because they are almost universally wrong and easily disproven.

Well, yes, conspiracy theories do get a lot of mainstream media coverage when it suits the MSM ideology...

http://patrick.net/Trump+suggests+guns+could+settle+election

tatupu70 says

Conspiracy theories don't typically get a lot of mainstream media coverage because they are almost universally wrong and easily disproven.

Ranina ranina says

Well, yes, conspiracy theories do get a lot of mainstream media coverage when it suits the MSM ideology...

The fact that you would call this a "conspiracy theory" just shows how far down the wacko road you are:

"Hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish the Second Amendment. By the way, and if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks.

"But the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know."

There is only one way to interpret that quote. I thought Trumpeteers were all about common sense. Well, use some of that common sense on that quote.

tatupu70 says

What are you talking about? A guy got murdered in Washington DC. It got the usual amount of attention.

Conspiracy theories don't typically get a lot of mainstream media coverage because they are almost universally wrong and easily disproven.

wikileaks is now offering a 20k reward for info leading to the arrest of the murderer of DNC staffer.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/was-murdered-dnc-staffer-behind-email-leak-wikileaks-offers-20k-reward-conspiracies-swirl-1575274?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rss&utm_content=/rss/yahoous/news&yptr=yahoo

Oh and the extensive coverage on the nYT about Trump's treatment on women-where all the vicitms featured came out in support of Trump-I mean come on. Then the mass coverage of Trump posing his publicist or some such 20+ years ago. Meanwhile an iranian scientist gets executed, allegedly due to Hilalry's email and nobody cares.

I thought the joke was mildly funny. The reason it wasn't very funny is that it was kind of obvious. The outrage over this joke of all things on patnet is funnier than the original joke.
As far as the op is concerned, assange didn't say he was a whistle blower did he? He said a variety of sources are concerned when that kind of thing happens.

lostand confused says

Oh and the extensive coverage on the nYT about Trump's treatment on women-where all the vicitms featured came out in support of Trump-I mean come on. Then the mass coverage of Trump posing his publicist or some such 20+ years ago. Meanwhile an iranian scientist gets executed, allegedly due to Hilalry's email and nobody cares

Come on--Trump courts publicity. It cuts both ways---he gets lots of press and it helps his campaign, but bad press also comes with the territory. MSM is a business--they write what gets read. Iranian scientists aren't as interesting to most of the public as Trump's sexual harassment victims. Right or wrong-that's the way it is.

I liked the joke.

Stop being sniveling bitches.

I'd like to know more about the murder, rather than read over this weak thread-slap-fest. I remember more exciting fights in Hebrew school.