patrick.net

zzyzzx is deplorable says

I'd like to see Trump go after Disney and Mazda.

Southern California Edison, TCS and keep a close eye on Infosys

zzyzzx is deplorable says

Made in USA shoes by New Balance for $30 +postage:

https://www.joesnewbalanceoutlet.com/product/m3040-v1/m3040sb1?sdtid=9473955

Bought shoes from there before

Dan8267 says

1. No use of child labor.

Yes, just sell them off to highest bidder or make them child bride instead

zzyzzx is deplorable says

True, but foreign companies need to set up manufacturing and R&D in the US if they want to sell here too (I'm specifically talking to you Mazda, and to a lesser extent all the other foreign based auto manufacturers that only have token US auto assembly plants, like Subaru).

If plants are moved to US, what would prevent them from being more automated?

www.youtube.com/embed/drfDnMg8v8w

CNN's Suzanne Malveaux is on the ground in Indianapolis with reaction to President-elect Donald Trump's "deal" with Carrier to keep manufacturing jobs in the United States.

The only people bitching about Trump's deal are the ones who didn't raise a voice, or lift less a finger, to stop Carrier leaving in the first place.

Typical low-energy arm chair quarterbacking.

In fact they were mostly those who said "It's international competition. Competition is good! Workers should compete for jobs from employers globally. Gotta go - off to my tenured SEIU/Public School Teaching job!"

Nothing says "getting tough with corporations" like a $7MM giveaway. Trump really showed United Technologies a thing or two, didn't he.

All it took was the bully pulpit..... and a $7MM check.

What a deal like this does is incentivize other CEOs to threaten to offshore their companies unless the United States president offers them a specific deal to stay. The companies that spend the most on lobbying will gain access to such negotiations. Trump will negotiate with individual CEOs, one at a time, instead of working on policies that might create conditions for all companies to stay in the United States. The workers still won’t have a seat at the table and will be subject to the whims of the wealthy executives — same as it ever was.

Trump MAGA
Carrier will pay massive tariffs on anything that is outsourced when it crosses the border.
TRUMP SAID SO!
Democrats.progressives,independents BOYCOTT NEW BALANCE.
Are all their materials made by other americans in american factories? Who did they support for president? Take a guess.What part of New Balance has involved imported materials in their total operation.

Guess everyone missed this link in another thread by the brilliant HEY YOU.
"Since the company had originally put more than 2,000 at risk — 1,400 at the Indianapolis plant and 700 at the Huntington plant owned by Carrier’s parent company, United Technologies — the difference between those numbers mean that at least some production will move south of the border and more than half of the jobs will go with it. Fortune reports that 1,300 jobs will go to Mexico: 600 from the Indianapolis plant and the 700 in Huntington."

"The details of how Trump and Pence managed to convince Carrier to keep some production in the United States are also dubious. Neither side has officially released the terms of the deal they struck,"

Too bad all the quarterbacks on patnet haven't read the play book.
Does anyone have the full terms of the deal?
Wonder if one of the stipulations is : FUCK americans that lose jobs?

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-pence-carrier-deal-65e6bee054c9?ref=patrick.net#.no5600jh2

joeyjojojunior says

All it took was the bully pulpit..... and a $7MM check.

Hope to know exactly where the money comes from.
Certainly not from tax dollars. Wouldn't that be Rep/Con/Tea Neo-Nazi Socialist
govt. interference in FREE MARKET ENTERPRISE.

What's the individual cost per union jobs?
How many are Trump voters?

anonymous says

Trump did announce Carrier would be sinking 18MM into the plant and expanding during the next two years. No one wants to commit past two years.

18MM minus 7MM= ?

“It is not good enough to save some of these jobs,” Sanders wrote. “Trump made a promise that he would save all of these jobs, and we cannot rest until an ironclad contract is signed to ensure that all of these workers are able to continue working in Indiana without having their pay or benefits slashed.”

"Indeed, making a deal with one company does nothing to save jobs for the thousands of workers at other American companies still planning to shift production abroad."
This multi-tasking by Rep/Con/Tea/Neo-Nazis is beyond their brain functions.
How many of this slime will lose their jobs in other outsourcing corps?
Trump can use millions of tax dollars to save jobs. Rightwing SOCIALIST!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-has-endangered-american-jobs_us_58402e52e4b09e21702cdedc

Yeah the problem is Sanders can't get anything done because he cucks majorly every-time the DNC - another organisation run into the ground by 'empowered' women - hyenas demand from him to leave his dick at the front desk to render him defenseless when they conspire against him and place their favorite womyn on the top of the org chain, not to be questioned! Instead of lashing out at Trump Sanders should take a page from Trump's excellent alpha-game and next time slam his dick on the table and demand the DNC to be disbanded unless they make him their lead candidate.

anonymous says

Personally I see Carrier / UTC playing the game for the next two years, then making a "business decision" to refocus on their core businesses that produce the highest shareholder value and dump the Carrier operations on to someone.

Like Boeing.

Didn't Boeing open a plant in China after receiving taxpayer countless millions over the past decade or so not to outsource?

Let's ask Rick Larsen (D-WA)

HEY YOU says

It is not good enough to save some of these jobs,” Sanders wrote

True and how long has Sanders been in the senate and what has he done?? I think the lefties are scared their fake pretend act of caring for the little guy is tumbling down. They throw a few words, then collected gazillions from the wealthy and pretended to care. That charade is being ripped apart by Trump-who is not even President yet. I mean he got rid of the tPP. It will be real interesting to see what he does whne he gets in office.

A doer for a change vs a bunch of talkers.

Trump saves a 1000 jobs, dems lose it and are angry. You wonder why the middle voted for trump?

Ironman says

What the fuck is up with the delusional Dems?? Trump isn't even officially President yet and he's making efforts to keep jobs here but the fucked in the head Dems are complaining about it already.

That is what surprises me about these phony dems. I mean in places like where carrier is located, this is entire families saved. I think maybe these dems just like people in welfare and handouts and they get to be the great leader who doles out cash. Independent working people with minds of their own must scare them. It does not lead well to group think.

These people are disgusting. 1000 families saved and all you can say is some conspiracy and that dinosaur sellout commie bernie-LOL!!

The million dollar question, is this a one off deal or will changed regulations/taxes make this happen for many?

HEY YOU says

Someone tell me how he's going to DRAIN THE SWAMP

Drain swamp is just feel good bs like:

"Hope and change"

"1000 families saved and all you can say is some conspiracy and that dinosaur sellout commie bernie-LOL!!"

No, not a conspiracy. It was a deal-just a really crappy one. Trump bought off United Technologies. If that's going to be how Trump "saves" jobs, I'm afraid we're going to run out of money. Why don't you ask the Indiana taxpayers how they like subsidizing Carrier for the next 10 years?

What happened to getting tough with corporations? Tariffs on imports? Fines for outsourcing?

anonymous says

Made in USA shoes by New Balance for $99 and free shipping - http://www.newbalance.com/pd/new-balance-3040/M3040-V1.html?dwvar_M3040-V1_color=White_with_Silver_and_Classic%20Blue#color=White_with_Silver_and_Classic Blue

"We are proud to be the only major company to "make or assemble" more than 4 million pairs of athletic footwear per year in the USA, which represents a limited portion of our US sales."

"Where the domestic value is at least 70%, we label our shoes Made in the USA."

New Balance Acknowledges Shoe Materials Aren't All U.S. Made, Only About 70% of Their Value Reflects Domestic Content and Labor.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-balance-shoe-materials...

Regarding new balance, how does that match up
With nike and adidas, among otherS?

What happened to taking office first?
When did the lame duck president have to leave office early well, because he's a lame duck?

joeyjojojunior says

What happened to getting tough with corporations? Tariffs on imports? Fines for outsourcing?

It's all coming. LIbbies just like to pick and choose while Trumpigula likes to bring the kitchen sink...

joeyjojojunior says

What happened to getting tough with corporations? Tariffs on imports? Fines for outsourcing?

joeyjojojunior says

Trump bought off United Technologies. If that's going to be how Trump "saves" jobs, I'm afraid we're going to run out of money.

Did he do that or threaten to not grant defense contracts to parent company?

"Did he do that or threaten to not grant defense contracts to parent company?"

He paid them off. Threating their defense contracts was Bernie's idea.

"while Trumpigula likes to bring the kitchen sink..."

And by "kitchen sink", you mean he brings American taxpayer dollars. And gives them to whatever company asks.

joeyjojojunior says

"Did he do that or threaten to not grant defense contracts to parent company?"

He paid them off. Threating their defense contracts was Bernie's idea.

LOL. Remind me to say something nice about Bernie.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Didn't Boeing open a plant in China after receiving taxpayer

Bloomberg was in favor of obama using NLRB to strong arm Boeing from building 787 plant in Charleston a right to work state vs Washington st

Bloomberg article now archived and not free to access so here is NY times article.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/business/21boeing.html?_r=1&referer=http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/04/unbelievable-obama-nlrb-forces-boeing-to-build-plant-in-washington-not-south-carolina/

"Really?? Did he just like write a check to them the other day??"

Of course not. That would have been OK. He is forcing the good people of Indiana to pay--certainly not him!

"Duh, he threatened them with tariffs...."

uh-huh. That threat, along with millions of Indiana taxpayer $$ got the deal done. I leave it to you to figure which was more important.

"He's not officially President yet, how exactly did he do that?? Does he have a time machine that takes him into the future??"

I don't know--why don't you ask him.

lostand confused says

True and how long has Sanders been in the senate and what has he done??

Trump would never appoint longtime establishment Govt.teat suckers.
How many tax dollars have all his appointees sucked over the years?
Of course it didn't cost Redneck White Trash Wingnutz any money out of their checks

BOYCOTT ALL Rep/Con/Tea/Neo-Nazis !

anonymous says

“In political terms, it’s pretty brilliant,” Jared Bernstein, former chief economist to Vice President Joe Biden, said of Trump’s Carrier deal. “But this is not a sustainable economic policy. You just can’t keep giving away goodies to firms that want to relocate to stop them.”

Bwahahaha. You can't rebate $700k/year to a company with 1000 employees and a big operation?

News for all those NJ and IL state legislatures - they let companies keep the employee's portion state income tax.

Shit, Mystic, CT and other places tried to eminent domain entire neighborhoods for Merck and other businesses.

Bernstein should be telling this to Democrats, who are some of the worst offenders.

I agree, Stadiums are all bullshit. If they could build stadiums in the pre-TV era and make bank, they can certainly do so today with the additional lucrative media contracts.

However, keeping manufacturing - especially high value added - is a different matter. I still prefer a tariff. We have an amazing consumer market, the single largest national consumer market on the planet by a wide margin. There should be entry fees, rather than subsidized outsourcing. It's nice that Wall Street gets to buy stuff elsewhere, but the long term damage is huge and most households own no stock and most that do have only token amounts, low 5 figures. Good wages are the key to success, and if that disposable income is spent mostly on goods and services made in the USA, it has a beneficial compounding effect.

The Cold War is over, there's no need to outsource industry to prop up states to prevent Communist influence via poverty and unemployment.

There aren't enough GOOD PAYING service jobs to replace all the lost manufacturing jobs from the US and never will be. They are replaced with shitty, low pay, no advancement, no benefit warehouse and retail jobs. Not good. Also the loss of good paying manufacturing jobs means the retail sector no longer has to compete with them for employees, so they can drop their wages and benefits even lower.

@zzyzzx 's chart about is not good. It's much better when only the very well off and above can hire landscapers, each lunch out 5x a week, etc. Growing numbers of low end service jobs, whether that's Home Health Aides, Mowing Services, and Waiters is a bad thing. Especially if what came before was value added manufacturing.

anonymous says

While I was watching the televised tour of the Carrier plant during the Trump visit, because of some background in Continuous Improvement I was temporarily more focused visually on what else and what waste could be eliminated and just a cursory view of the assembly line suggested more can de done. C.I. is a double edged sword - more efficient and eliminating waste does not bode well for increased employment unless consumer demand prompts it.

There's an oppositional relationship between efficiency and robustness, also. Witness the lumber supply with Just In Time inventory vs. Old Style Warehouses during a hurricane or other natural disaster.

But that's an aside. Most of the factories in China and Vietnam are also producing in 60s mode, with people hunched over workstations with a soldering iron in one hand and a lamp. There's a mistaken perception that Chinese electronics factories are ultra modern and mostly robotic. They aren't. Also, we have a distinct advantage over China, in that our average $/KwH is substantially cheaper.

zzyzzx is deplorable says

Blues - Dem, Reds - Rep?

Hey, what ever happened to 100,000s of net new Financial Adviser jobs that was supposed be created over the past decade?

Hehehehehehehe, or was that nursing home nursing. Or Programming. Or California licensed real estate salesperson.

Maybe they're all filled by H1-Bs, hahahahaha.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

There aren't enough GOOD PAYING service jobs to replace all the lost manufacturing jobs from the US and never will be. They are replaced with shitty, low pay, no advancement, no benefit warehouse and retail jobs. Not good. Also the loss of good paying manufacturing jobs means the retail sector no longer has to compete with them for employees, so they can drop their wages and benefits even lower.

Its a continuous downward spiral with Libbys/Leftys getting caught in the spiral more and more. Outsourcing has lead to a lack of Manufacturing jobs, and a surplus of people forced to get involved in waitering, service industry.

Even the wealthy will see massive erosion until we all get so broke that this no one left to tax, no one left to pay for lush government job perks.

Clinton and Obama completely failed the US, completely jettisoned manufacturing at the same time eroding the value of hard work, increasing the desire for entitlements, and developing a dependant liberal base that cant believe why they did not take Penn, Wis, Ohio, Mi.

Then the Libbys say the country is so divided!!! But they dont realize their liberal heroes divided it, and empoverished the middle class, with continual outsourcing seen by the Elite as inevitable.

Verily, many of the liberals voted for Clinton even though their mother and fathers jobs were lost to NAFTA.

Verily, many of the liberals voted for Clinton even though their parents got into housing trouble with CRA.

Myopic Liberals are a big threat to the US, but many of them decided to stop drinking the coolaid.

Wow, look at the fastest growing professions thanks to Neoliberalism and Deindustrialization. PCA and HHAs - aka Asswiper and Shower Supporter, Food Service, Fast Food,, Nursing Assistants (Puke Bag Holder), Medical Assistants (take your blood pressure and weight and fill out med questionaires, a job a HS dropout could do), Medical Secretaries (office clerk dealing with 20 different insurance programs, only HS ed necessary).

If there's a shortage of all these things, how come the only way to get the unskilled wages up is to raise the minimum wage? Maybe we should freeze immigration until there's upwards pressure on bottom 35% wages.

I love when people act like Pharmacist Assistants or Medical Secretaries or even HHAs require like advanced vocational training outside from learning on the job. Or demand that front-line food service supervisors (ie "The Lunch Lady" or the "Assistant Manager" at Flair Hamburgers) need college degrees.

zzyzzx is deplorable says

More and more people are enjoying dinner in restaurants. We must have money.

anonymous says

There is a shortage of truck drivers, warehouse workers, home health/nursing home - you name it. A lot them come with benefits - maybe not the best - but still benefits.

Truck Drivers yes - but the government and multinationals are working hard to put Mexican drivers on US roads to ruin Longshoremen, Teamsters, and Indies to Crush wages. They've been talking about Alcupoco into a major Deep Water port to compete with Long Beach on the West Coast. Think of all those safe, rigorously inspected Mexican Trucks with their deep tire treads and perfectly functioning brake pads driving in the next lane to your wife or teenage daughter down the highway.

But warehouse workers don't make shit, there is no advancement, and the benefits are laughable, same with Home Health Aides. The latter is literally at the bottom of the pile.

We need to stop the excuses, it simply isn't the case that laid off steel workers do just as good or even almost as good at the Walmart Distribution Center as they did at Bethlehem Steel. When you go from $18 + Benefits to $9 + No Benefits your standard of living is cut in half. Don't forget a lot of Wally World type employers charge big league for medical insurance, or offer contribution plans to people who literally have no disposable income after the basics are paid for.

Think of how ludicrous it is to offer company sponsored 401ks with a little matching to people who make $10/hr.

We have to stop making excuses for the post 1990 system of neoliberalism that has not only totally failed to deliver on promises of prosperity, but has actually been absolutely retrograde for about 40% of the working population - just to make the already rich richer and the already comfortable a third investment housing unit.

Neoliberalism Fails.

During this time, we had microcomputers, the fax machine became commonplace, beepers and then cell phones and then smartphones became common, computer skills became basic skill sets, percentages of post HS educational attainment increased, and of course the internet, etc etc etc.

Where's the efficiency/productivity gains for the bottom 50%? Warehouse workers don't use devices? Cafeteria Supervisors don't check in using cell phones with workers? Answer: redistributed to banksters on the coast.