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Symbionese Liberation Army and Patty Hearst Redux, with some transgendered co-dependance for added flavor!

Maybe a "trust fund holiday", and all the protestors will have to go back to Mommy's mansion.

Rashomon says

are they somehow obligated to tow the line

Rashomon says

It's interesting that you're more concerned with a few signs than the fact a sitting President is threatening the funding of a major university.

Good point, why are colleges taking federal funding in the first place? Break those shackles, say no to federal funds, and no federal control!

T L Lipsovich says

"Anti-Fascist"

Isn't anti-fascists beating the shit out of random people an oxymoron?

NuttBoxer says

Isn't anti-fascists beating the shit out of random people an oxymoron?

That's kinda what I was thinking....

Ceffer says

Symbionese Liberation Army and Patty Hearst Redux, with some transgendered co-dependance for added flavor!

Thanks for the inspiration for this shitty image I just made.

Rashomon says

He isn't automatically free to make his often offensive comments wherever he likes. He was invited to Berkeley by a Republican group. That invite can be taken away if deemed appropriate.

In a private university, maybe. But we need to attach federal (and state) funding to free speech. Not only was he invited and paid for by the College Republicans, but they paid extra for extra security on top of that.

No Platforming is a form of censorship that does not belong in a Public University, which is supposed to be a place of ideas.

What we really need to do is insist on Academic Dispassion again, starting with the Women's Studies department, where most personnel are literal Science Deniers in the mold of Anti-Vaxxers, Flat Earthers and Moon Landing Hoaxers

There were there to Censor Milo on the grounds he's a Fascist for the usual "He hates minorities" lie.

www.youtube.com/embed/FuB8vnD3nes

T L Lipsovich says

In a private university, maybe. But we need to attach federal (and state) funding to free speech. Not only was he invited and paid for by the College Republicans, but they paid extra for extra security on top of that.

Which is why they allowed the talk to go ahead.

T L Lipsovich says

No Platforming is a form of censorship that does not belong in a Public University, which is supposed to be a place of ideas.

Yes, but they are free to invite any number of interesting and accomplished individuals. Instead, they invited a known troll who takes pleasure and financial gain from winding up and harassing others (look at his Twitter ban). That was a very deliberate act on the part of the College Republicans in my opinion.

T L Lipsovich says

What we really need to do is insist on Academic Dispassion again, starting with the Women's Studies department, where most personnel are literal Science Deniers in the mold of Anti-Vaxxers, Flat Earthers and Moon Landing Hoaxers

They are?

Rashomon says

They are?

Yes, they deny the effect of Hormones and Sexual Dimorphism, attributing to it to the unfair encouragement of boys to use the jungle gym and girls to play with dolls.

They also teach the Patriarchy as fact, even though it is the Jewish Question for Misandrists.

You will never be exposed to any facts contrary to the Patriarchy Theory if you take Women's Studies classes in the vast majority of schools that offer it.

Rashomon says

Yes, but they are free to invite any number of interesting and accomplished individuals. Instead, they invited a known troll who takes pleasure and financial gain from winding up and harassing others (look at his Twitter ban). That was a very deliberate act on the part of the College Republicans in my opinion.

So what. All controversial speakers can be called trolls by their detractors.

I'm fine with Donna Hylton, a rapist and murderer, speaking at college campuses and calling herself a Civil Rights activist. So long as I get to mock her and her supporters.

T L Lipsovich says

Yes, they deny the effect of Hormones and Sexual Dimorphism, attributing to it to the unfair encouragement of boys to use the jungle gym and girls to play with dolls.

They also teach the Patriarchy as fact, even though it is the Jewish Question for Misandrists.

You will never be exposed to any facts contrary to the Patriarchy Theory if you take Women's Studies classes in the vast majority of schools that offer it.

So you know the content of every Women's Studies course in the US and the views of the professors running them, or is this just the usual sweeping generalisation common to Patnet?

T L Lipsovich says

So what. All controversial speakers can be called trolls by their detractors.

I'm fine with Donna Hylton, a rapist and murderer, speaking at college campuses and calling herself a Civil Rights activist. So long as I get to mock her and her supporters.

So what? I'm not saying he should have been banned. I'm saying others have the right to express their opinion against him (non-violently) and that includes professors.

Rashomon says

So you know the content of every Women's Studies course in the US and the views of the professors running them, or is this just the usual sweeping generalisations common to Patnet?

I didn't say every, I said the vast majority. There really isn't any need for it, anyway. Women's Studies can be understood via Sociology, Anthro, or History. Just take more classes that are focused on females.

One thing I can tell you is that no Women's Studies Department requires a Scientific Course on Sexual Dimorphism.

Rashomon says

So what? I'm not saying he should have been banned. I'm saying others have the right to express their opinion against him (non-violently) and that includes professors.

Yep, non-violently. If they are violent, which they were, there should be mass arrests.

And they can't make the Republican Students pay for everything either. Once the violence happens, it should become a state/university financial burden. That makes sure they don't let it get out of hand to begin with.

T L Lipsovich says

Yep, non-violently. If they are violent, there should be mass arrests.

Which is a matter for the police. What happened doesn't give Trump the right to threaten the funding of the university.

Rashomon says

Which is a matter for the police. What happened doesn't give Trump the right to threaten the funding of the university.

Sure it does - they are failing to protect the students and the freeplay of ideas that are the cornerstone of a University.

T L Lipsovich says

And they can't make the Republican Students pay for everything either. Once the violence happens, it should become a state/university financial burden. That makes sure they don't let it get out of hand to begin with

So it should have been better policed. It was pretty obvious that something like this might happen - that it would attract radical groups from around the area.

T L Lipsovich says

Sure it does - they are failing to protect the students and the freeplay of ideas that are the cornerstone of a University.

No, they aren't. The talk was given the go ahead, so how is the university blocking free speech or practicing violence on innocents as Trump claimed? That is simply bullshit on his part.

Rashomon says

No, they aren't. The talk was given the go ahead, so how is the university blocking free speech or practicing violence on innocents as Trump claimed? That is simply bullshit on his part.

You answered your question - the police should have been better prepared. The Administration will have to do a better job when Milo returns soon :)

T L Lipsovich says

You answered your question - the police should have been better prepared. The Administration will have to do a better job when Milo returns soon :)

I notice how you and others have singularly failed to address the actual topic of the thread...

Rashomon says

I notice how you and others have singularly failed to address the actual topic of the thread...

If the University has a record of failing to protect Free Speech, they should lose funding.

T L Lipsovich says

If the University has a record of failing to protect Free Speech, they should lose funding.

I wonder who'll be the judge of that...

Next Time bring a red hat,

"Make the 1st Amendment Great Again"

Ironman says

Amazing how people are being TROLLED by this Rashomo dude....

Oh fuck off CIC. You are apparently some retired sad sack who spends his entire waking day on here doing nothing but posting the most idiotic, childish, petty trollish shite one could possibly imagine. Isn't it time you fucking grew up or are you so emasculated that this is all you can resort to? This trollish nonsense you post constantly gives you your only sense of empowerment, does it? How very sad you are.

Rashomon says

I wonder who'll be the judge of that...

The government. After all, elected officials control the purse according to the Constitution. If they can decide to drone bomb a country we aren't at war with without their permission, they can certainly cut off funding if they think a University is winking at Repression.

The unelected 4th Estate Neoconlib 5th Column is something else, however.

"It's okay to punch out Nazis. Therefore, this gay jew liberal who is opposed to special treatment for everybody and doesn't acknowledge the evil of white privilege is a nazi, therefore it is okay to punch him and his henchmen supporters."

T L Lipsovich says

The government. After all, elected officials control the purse according to the Constitution. If they can decide to drone bomb a country we aren't at war with without their permission, they can certainly cut off funding if they think a University is winking at Repression.

The unelected 4th Estate Neoconlib 5th Column is something else, however.

"It's okay to punch out Nazis. Therefore, this gay jew liberal who is opposed to special treatment for everybody and doesn't acknowledge the evil of white privilege is a nazi, therefore it is okay to punch him and his henchmen supporters."

You want Trump's administration to make that kind of decision? And based on what? That he wakes up in the early hours and says X university is responsible for preventing freedom of speech and bringing violence upon innocent bystanders when they did no such thing.
Some people seem awfully angry about what a handful of young people did. Personally, I'm more concerned that a number of you seem happy to totally ignore the threat that Trump so readily tweeted out, no doubt with his usual little to no thought.

In the same way that allowing ISIS to grow creates a vacuum in the areas they took over,

NAFTA and the millions of jobs lost created a backlash against the social engineering(job loss, career loss, massive welfare). The great irony is that the parents of these kids have lost good jobs, and the kids themself earning potential is cut just as the jobs have gone out, and the last 10 have seen reduction in average salaries.

This is as deceptive in many ways as the Bolshevik revolution, who promised power to the people, and a control of their destiny, a means of goverment production. Of course after 10s of millions of lives lost and Russia only recently emerged out of communism this was proved to be wrong.

Many of the kids protesting were not around when the wall came down in Berlin, and CNN and MSNBC dont report this. However the perception is that the wall we are building is too overzealous (and the drug culture and its negative side effects are not on the radar for these types of protestors).

When the protesters dont realize the why they are mad, what caused them to get in this position, this is the root of socialism and the path towards totalitarianism and dictator ship. We have seen a few dictators go in the Arab spring, but we need to see it through to the end.

Best medicine would be a 3 year Army stint to middle east ( but these flakes are way too special for this)!

Rashomon says

Some people seem awfully angry about what a handful of young people did. Personally, I'm more concerned that a number of you seem happy to totally ignore the threat that Trump so readily tweeted out, no doubt with his usual little to no thought.

I'm puzzled by your logic.

On one hand, you think the devolution of power from Oligrarchical Multinational Concentrated Media like Comcast, Fox, News Corp, Time-Warner, etc. is a bad thing, on the other hand you dismiss the recent outbursts of political violence as no biggie.

Rashomon says

It's interesting that you're more concerned with a few signs than the fact a sitting President is threatening the funding of a major university.

If the university producing retarded trans dykes, whatever that means, they are seriously wasting our tax dollars.

Pull the funding right away.

jvolstad says

(What the "F" is a Trans Dyke?)

I'm just guessing. But maybe it means that when Bruce Jenner became Kaitlyn Jenner, he, uh rather she, still likes women. MY feeling is that if a guy wants that, they've got too much time on their hands.

MY hat's off to you if you don't have to spend most of your time making a living like most of us. But can't you spend that extra time you have (due to your wealth and success) doing something more productive and useful than fantasizing about being a lesbian woman ? I can't help but wonder whether people such as Jenner maybe denied themselves pleasure too much in their youth or something along those lines.

Congratulations on needing to Google the meaning of rashomon. Personally, I thought it was an apt name given some of the posts people make on this site.
And CIC, Ironman, dipshit troll or whatever name you go by, isn't it time you changed your speil - it got old a very long time ago. But hey, if this is the best you can do to fill your pathetic excuse of a retirement, you have a miniscule amount of my sympathy.

T L Lipsovich says

I'm puzzled by your logic.

On one hand, you think the devolution of power from Oligrarchical Multinational Concentrated Media like Comcast, Fox, News Corp, Time-Warner, etc. is a bad thing, on the other hand you dismiss the recent outbursts of political violence as no biggie.

That's not what I was saying. I was making a general point about the changes in the way news is being accessed on multiple fronts. Newspapers were far more prevalent in the not too distant past, there was more nuanced journalism, more investigative journalism.... This is not about a few big media (primarily TV) companies, it's about an avalanche of information that has become less and less accurate, more and more superficial, and increasingly compartmentalised, drawing the same self-reinforcing viewership, who over time are seeming to become ever more entrenched in their outlooks, and ignore all evidence to the contrary no matter how overwhelming - the changing climate being one obvious example.

And we were talking about Berkeley, were we not? That wasn't exactly a huge disturbance, to me at least. Any violence is troubling, but that event is being reshaped into far more than it was in terms of attacking the university (see Trump's response) and students in general - anyone can take a couple of steps off the street into that square and get involved in causing a disturbance, and yet all I hear are people banging on about students being radicalised by professors etc., etc. From what I've read, the trouble was predominantly caused by an Oakland based anarcho group.

Ironman says

Rashomon says

isn't it time you changed your speil - it got old a very long time ago.

What, calling out assholes like you that continue with baseless spewing not backed up by FACTS....

Boo hoo... why don't you go cry to Patrick like the other pussies here.

Time for you to go off an whine and head to your Safe Space.

Blah, blah, blah, same old same old. Your trolling needs a refresh.

Blurtman says

He was banned from Twitter because Leslie Jones demanded that he be banned. Milo Tweeted her contact details, and Jones complained about the Tweets she was receiving, including racist Tweets, and so Milo was banned. (I can't believe I am using Tweet in a sentence). Milo did not encourage anyone to make racist Tweets. And now the MSM is reporting that Milo was banned for making racist Tweets directed at Jones.

Putting up someone's contact details is a form of harassment, is it not? He's basically inciting people to abuse her - he certainly can't plead ignorance to what would happen from doing that. According to the WP 'Twitter said he was permanently banned for a violation of the company’s rules “prohibiting, participating in or inciting targeted abuse of individuals."'

Speaking of Universities, guess what reason Washington State is claiming should trump a ban based on National Security?

www.youtube.com/embed/DEK8FCBMkMQ

Rashomon says

Putting up someone's contact details is a form of harassment, is it not?

Did he post her personal information, or just her Twitter address?

Here is what went down.

"Among Jones’ critics on Monday was Yiannopoulos — which ultimately led to the suspension of his account. Although Yiannopoulos’ tweets are not available anymore, Breitbart published a transcript of the duo’s Twitter interaction.

“If at first you don’t succeed (because your work is terrible), play the victim. EVERYONE GETS HATE MAIL FFS,” Yiannopoulos tweeted.

“Ghostbusters is doing so badly they’ve deployed @Lesdoggg to play the victim on Twitter. Very sad!” Yiannopoulos posted, followed by tweets that read: “Barely literate. America needs better schools!” and “rejected by yet another black dude.”"

http://college.usatoday.com/2016/07/25/the-whole-leslie-jones-twitter-feud-explained/

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/07/18/ghostbuster-leslie-jones-reports-milo/

Rashomon says

Putting up someone's contact details is a form of harassment, is it not?

I don't think so.

Rashomon says

He's basically inciting people to abuse her

I see no evidence of his inciting people. I know you think you know what he was thinking, and maybe you are right, but there is no proof of that in his tweets.

And Twitter can ban anyone they want. It's their business.