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Straw Man says

But I did have cat converters stolen from my truck by fucking junkies. $4K in damage.

That actually is a result of the War on Us. Since black markets increase the price of banned goods hundreds of times over, those junkies couldn't just go to Walmart for their fix, they needed your cat. And how did they learn to rip off car parts? Well, since addiction is a crime, they probably spent time in jail, where they learned how to stay high in a government controlled market.

Genetic or environmental really only matters in terms of government involvement, and probably not even then. I suppose its probably important for the "wash the gay away" folks. .

A.) Prohibiting discrimination and making certain criminal acts hate crimes are one thing and certainly valid. Gay marriage as a legal matter is valid as well.

B.) However, compelling business to conduct itself in a certain manner, and worse yet compelling religious organizations to perform marriage ceremonies is wrong.

Heres the thing....homosexuals in the US already have A. They are now fighting for B under the guise of "gay rights".. That's a pretty big mistake and frankly, morally wrong. Its going to lead them to a similar places that BLM is right now. Once you have the equal footing, you should really drop the matter. Pride parades are fine...as long as you are honoring the history it took to get to where you are now. But from what I've seen, its more like a Trump hate fest, and the parade participants act like somehow they don't already have equal footing.

Dan8267 says

All whites except for the American South. They are still butthurt from the Civil War. Hence the Confederate battle flags.

This should have been on your list Patrick.

Civil War was about states rights, so say the Confederates, so say the Unionists, so said Lincoln...

Dan8267 says

Yes, but it's relative to what's around you.

So says the post-modernist. Everything is relative, truth is irrelevant, I think, therefore I am.

Someone should have told Decartes "AMoronThinks what?"

Dan8267 says

Genetic and learned are not the only two options. Environment is a third. Scientific studies have shown that testosterone in the womb

So when Patrick references a proven study, you provide pseudo-science to counter? Classic Dan.

Patrick says

Islam teaches contempt for non-Muslims and is the direct cause of almost all terrorism in the world. More specifically, Saudi/Wahhabi/Sunni Islam is the cause of almost all terrorism.

Don't forget endless wars, drones, and bombings. Funny how destroying someone's country tends to radicalize them...

Fucking White Male says

They are now fighting for B....

I agree with A.

Regarding B, the first part (prohibiting various businesses from discrimination), that's been law in many states for many years. Regarding the second part of B, I haven't seen anyone trying to compel religious organizations to perform marriage ceremonies. The nearest I've seen to that was a case in NJ where a church made so much money that it started buying up other properties to rent them out, while still not wanting to pay any taxes. The church made a deal with the town, allowing the church to buy a beach pavilion and not pay any taxes, on condition that the pavilion would operate on a non-discriminatory basis. The church rented out the pavalion for various purposes, including Jewish weddings, then objected suddenly to a gay wedding. The church had no involvement in the wedding, other than owning and renting out the building, so the church had to rent on equal terms or forgo the tax exemption. Similar cases go back a long time, e.g. where religious landlords have bought apartment buildings and tried to evict gay couples from their homes.

I agree with your points about BLM and TDS, but parade participants include a broad range. Yesterday, SF Pride included a long line of corporate floats and representation from some of the most successful companies in the world, followed by the Democratic Socialists with signs demanding "Queer Liberation, not Rainbow Capitalism." The weather was beautiful, pure blue skies, and SFPD ensured a safe event for more than a million people with widely divergent interests and opinions.

NuttBoxer says

Dan8267 says

Yes, but it's relative to what's around you.

So says the post-modernist. Everything is relative, truth is irrelevant, I think, therefore I am.

Dude, that is not even remotely what I said.

I said that "like" and "unlike" is relative to the set of genetic code being compared. That has nothing to do with the relativism of truth.

Think about it, man. If you live in a small tribe composed of 50% Africans and 50% Europeans and you're European, then you'll favor Europeans and may even violently oppose the Africans. However, if you live in a small tribe composed of 50% Africans and 50% homo erectus and you're European, then you'll protect the Africans and violently oppose the homo erectus because the Africans are now the individuals like you. If you cannot understand this, that's your failing.

NuttBoxer says

Dan8267 says

Genetic and learned are not the only two options. Environment is a third. Scientific studies have shown that testosterone in the womb

So when Patrick references a proven study, you provide pseudo-science to counter? Classic Dan.

That's not remotely what happened. You are lying.

I referenced a Science Magazine article that summarized a very well-know, peer reviewed scientific study. Science Magazine is a publication of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, a well reputed scientific organization with a esteemed history. But hey, some anonymous troll calls them pseudo-science, so we should ignore all reality.

How stupid do you think the audience is?

Dan8267 says

Dude, that is not even remotely what I said.

Patrick made a very direct statement, you added a condition to it. Suppose others now add conditions to your condition. Pretty soon we have Patrick's statement followed by so many levels of If, ElseIf, and Else, no one fucking understands the original code anymore. Follow just one of your thoughts through to it's logical conclusion. Your world will be rocked.

NuttBoxer says

Dan8267 says

All whites except for the American South. They are still butthurt from the Civil War. Hence the Confederate battle flags.

This should have been on your list Patrick.

Civil War was about states rights, so say the Confederates, so say the Unionists, so said Lincoln...

Dan8267 says

How stupid do you think the audience is?

Evidently quite stupid.

Every paper and speech in the south during the Civil War stated explicitly that the Civil War was about preserving slavery. Every Confederate flag stated that the very existence of the Confederacy was about slavery and white supremacy. Hell the dumb ass confederates even made their flag so white, symbolizing white supremacy, that it was mistaken for the flag of surrender on the battlefield.

Are you incapable of not lying?

NuttBoxer says

Funny how destroying someone's country tends to radicalize them...

The Muslim conquest of India killed more than 60 million Hindus who had never done anything to Muslims in Arabia. In Islam, all roads lead to killing disbelievers and striking terror into the enemies of Allah, because Mohamed designed and fabricated ("revealed") the Koran and hadith for that purpose. It is an instruction manual for global conquest, developed over the course of his lifetime. Look at the pacific archipelagos, for example, and Muslims killing other Muslims in the name of Islam.

NuttBoxer says

Patrick made a very direct statement, you added a condition to it. Suppose others now add conditions to your condition. Pretty soon we have Patrick's statement followed by so many levels of If, ElseIf, and Else, no one fucking understands the original code anymore.

If my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle.

The only confused person here is you.

In the Stone Age like included your immediate family and excluded your second cousins. They are foreigners who you fear and can kill.

In the Bronze Age like included your immediate family, your first cousins, and your second cousins. Unlike was everybody else in the city.

In the Iron Age like included everyone in your city. Unlike was everybody from neighboring cities.

In the Steel Age like included everyone in every city of your country. Unlike was everybody from neighboring countries.

Today like includes everyone from your ancestor's continent. Unlike is everybody from neighboring continents.

Tomorrow like will include everyone from your planet. Unlike will be everyone from neighboring planets.

Eventually like will include everyone from your galaxy. Unlike will be everyone from neighboring galaxies.

Notice a pattern, anyone?

#cosmologicalPerspective

Dan8267 says

I referenced a Science Magazine article that summarized a very well-know, peer reviewed scientific study. Science Magazine is a publication of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, a well reputed scientific organization with a esteemed history.

So everything they put out is infallible? I read the article, and they make it very clear they are guessing at the cause and effect, nothing substantiated.

Dan8267 says

Every paper and speech in the south during the Civil War stated explicitly that the Civil War was about preserving slavery. Every Confederate flag stated that the very existence of the Confederacy was about slavery and white supremacy.

Link to Civil War thread where I provide facts and quotes(including Lincoln), showing Dan for the revisionist propagandist that he is:

https://patrick.net/1306089/2017-05-14-so-why-is-the-south-quietly-removing-these-monuments-in-the-dead-of-night-oh-that-s-why

Dan8267 says

If my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle.

The only confused person here is you.

Classic Dan, non-sequitur's and ad-hominem.

curious2 says

Fucking White Male says

They are now fighting for B....

I agree with A.

Regarding B, the first part (prohibiting various businesses from discrimination), that's been law in many states for many years. Regarding the second part of B, I haven't seen anyone trying to compel religious organizations to perform marriage ceremonies. The nearest I've seen to that was a case in NJ where a church made so much money that it started buying up other properties to rent them out, while still not wanting to pay any taxes. The church made a deal with the town, allowing the church to buy a beach pavilion and not pay any taxes, on condition that the pavilion would operate on a non-discriminatory basis. The church rented out the pavalion for various purposes, including Jewish weddings, then objected suddenly to a gay wedding. The church had no involvement in the wedding, other than owning and ren...

Fair enough.

NuttBoxer says

Classic Dan, non-sequitur's and ad-hominem.

You clearly don't know what either or those terms mean.

NuttBoxer says

So everything they put out is infallible?

Straw man argument.

Nonetheless, the peer review study cited carries weight. Compared that to what? Your assertions?

Read the original post. Patrick did not even cite a study. He just alluded to them.

If you contributed anything to this site other than just trolling, you wouldn't have been banned from my threads. There's a difference between debating someone and trolling. Learn that difference if you want to be taken seriously.

Patrick says

Diversity destroys communities. Every academic study shows that diversity lowers mutual trust and civic engagement.

This is one of the few classic Sociological Studies to stand the test of time, and is repeatable worldwide across cultures.