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HEY YOU says

Taking money from the many & giving it to a few is socialism?

Probably since you are exactly describing the Obama administration and he was a socialist.

So is it true that you can never fire a govt employee-under most circumstances. Once you are in, just get to be there and get an automatic raise?

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

Right, you can just show up in your pajamas and shoot everyone you encounter and get paid over time to drag the bodies to the dumpster

Well president Trump had to sign an Executive order to fire people at the VA. I mean the President of the United states had to do that-wtf??

lostand confused says

So is it true that you can never fire a govt employee-under most circumstances. Once you are in, just get to be there and get an automatic raise?

I have a lot to say about this, but not time this morning. I will say that where I work, in the past you had to commit serious misconduct to get terminated. More and more, Gen X people are moving into management positions and are the first wave to have gone through college with TQM as part of their college business courses. It's a lot easier to make discipline stick when you have measurements that demonstrate how terrible an employee really is.

Why do we need the BATF? This to me seems like the most useless and inept government agency in the US and Obama used it to politicize gun control. Wouldn't it be better if it were disbanded and its duties were given to the FBI?

Should public sector unions be illegal?

Fucking White Male says

Retirement for civil servants was 4% per year with minimum retirement age at 55. That is bad. Someone who started at age 20 could have 100% retirement at age 55.

Also, you mean 100% of retirement at age 45, right? (25 years x 4%)

Why do you keep referring to it as work?

activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result.

errc says

Why do you keep referring to it as work?

activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result.

Your ideas of what civil servants do are quite outdated.

rando says

Should public sector unions be illegal?

Fucking White Male says

Retirement for civil servants was 4% per year with minimum retirement age at 55. That is bad. Someone who started at age 20 could have 100% retirement at age 55.

Also, you mean 100% of retirement at age 45, right? (25 years x 4%)

Public employee unions....should really not be allowed to make political contributions.

But as far as the entire systen goes, there would be nepotistic hiring and fraud in unbelievable amounts without someone guarding the henhouse. The public sector unions are a necessary evil I think. Also as much as the nature of civil service management is changing, the unions also are. It's a big part of the reason the retirement reforms are being made.

As to the calculation, you couldn't retire at 45 due to the min age requirement. But yeah I was off on my math :)

Goran_K says

Why do we need the BATF? This to me seems like the most useless and inept government agency in the US and Obama used it to politicize gun control. Wouldn't it be better if it were disbanded and its duties were given to the FBI?

I don't know enough to answer that question. There's a lot of useless Federal Govt agencies

Fucking White Male says

Seems to be an obsession here so fire away.

No stupid "hey you work for the gov, how can you be a republican" questions. Obv there are a lot of gov functions even the most ardent libertarians support.

So aside of that, and personal questions, I'll do my best to answer.

Can you list the government functions you support, and then those you don't?

errc says

Fucking White Male says

Seems to be an obsession here so fire away.

No stupid "hey you work for the gov, how can you be a republican" questions. Obv there are a lot of gov functions even the most ardent libertarians support.

So aside of that, and personal questions, I'll do my best to answer.

Can you list the government functions you support, and then those you don't?

No. That should be obvious. I don't understand why you want to bait me.

Fucking White Male says

errc says

Fucking White Male says

Seems to be an obsession here so fire away.

No stupid "hey you work for the gov, how can you be a republican" questions. Obv there are a lot of gov functions even the most ardent libertarians support.

So aside of that, and personal questions, I'll do my best to answer.

Can you list the government functions you support, and then those you don't?

No. That should be obvious. I don't understand why you want to bait me.

Obvious? Pretty much anyone you ask will give you a different answer. It's an honest question.

What value do you think you're providing in this thread? Is there something you would like to share?

How do you deal/put up with all that bureaucracy and inefficiency in government?

What do you think about our high taxes?

Is the pay competitive with comparable private sector job? Are raises/bonuses automatic?

I don't suffer disingenuous questioning.. it's unfortunate that I've had to already ban two posters in this thread. Ft Wayne and Strawman, I'll get to your questions tonight. They both require sort of lengthy answers.

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

How many days a year do you actually have to show up at work, if at all?

On a serious note: is working from home allowed couple days per week (provided the job can be done from home)?

Isn't working for the government an oxymoron?

I remember a guy who wanted to get fired by the State of California to collect unemployment and do something else, so he did everything he could and couldn't get fired. They eventually moved his desk into a hallway out of sight, and he didn't even have to show up to work to get a paycheck.

How bad is the discrimination against whites and/or males?

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

How many days a year do you actually have to show up at work, if at all?

How shitfaced is too shitfaced to show up at a government job?

You get lots of problems if you don't show up to work, but FMLA has been a huge disaster. Lots of employees take advantage.

A former co-worker had a can of beer roll out of her purse. I don't know the exact action taken but usually they give people a chance to get treatment along with a suspension for addiction related things.

Straw Man says

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

How many days a year do you actually have to show up at work, if at all?

On a serious note: is working from home allowed couple days per week (provided the job can be done from home)?

Not usually. Previous Department head frowned on it and it was rarely, if ever, allowed.

Current one goes into an office nearer to home a few times a month, but rarely works from home. Its not really an option for anyone else, and the organization I work for doesn't really allow it.

Booger says

How bad is the discrimination against whites and/or males?

Oh that one too please if you have time FWM.

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

Are there hygienic rules to having hookers living under your desk to service you during the day as you pretend to work at a government job?

I thought the idea of hookers was so they leave once you finish?

Anyway, you'd have to speak with the elected officials as theyre the ones with the hookers.

FortWayne says

Booger says

How bad is the discrimination against whites and/or males?

Oh that one too please if you have time FWM.

There really isn't that kind of overt discrimination and even if there was it wouldn't affect me.

I usually work harder than everyone else or take on the crap jobs no one else wants to do. So basically I'm valuable to whomever I work for. And I show up every day. So even if someone hated me because I'm white, they need me.

I have seen a couple guys with a real chip on their shoulder. It doesn't end well, regardless of race. One retired disgruntled. Two others...a black guy and a hispanic guy...got fired.

It really just comes down to treating everyone decently. I'm well liked every place I've worked and race really isnt something I even think about too much.

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

Can you be obvious about telling chicks you will have to be sucked off before you'll renew their registration, etc. or do you have to be discrete?

Talking to the wrong person. I've always shunned dating anyone from the workplace. I've seen situations where it ends very poorly so I just avoid it.

Ceffer says

I remember a guy who wanted to get fired by the State of California to collect unemployment and do something else, so he did everything he could and couldn't get fired. They eventually moved his desk into a hallway out of sight, and he didn't even have to show up to work to get a paycheck.

May have been like that a long time ago, but isn't anymore. More on that in the next post.

lostand confused says

So is it true that you can never fire a govt employee-under most circumstances. Once you are in, just get to be there and get an automatic raise?

When I first started 17 years ago, there was this lady who would go around in the morning and place an index card at everyones desk. Then she would come back around and pick them up at the end of the day. I would not see her at all anywhere in between. One day a co worker friend and I figured out we could take an early lunch and go get pancakes in the cafeteria. The lady was there, slumped out on a large soft sofa/chair. And literally that is what she did...dropped off the blank index cards, went down and had breakfast, and then slept all day. Every fucking day. I worked there a year and a half. I complained. The manager of the section said he would handle it. Nothing happened. Ever. What I eventually learned was that there was a program to hire "disabled" people. The disability could be as little as partial hearing in one ear. But what these people all had in common is that none of them actually wanted to work and universally anyone hired on that program was the shittiest employee ever.

Voting for Democrats has consequences.

Fast forward to today...no one really puts up with that anymore. The very worst employees I worked with recently either quit, retired, or got fired, Theres literally a handful of subpar employees remaining in my workplace, and there is SOME production out of them. In the past few years, I have learned a ton about encouraging performance, documenting, and re-assigning work. I am embarrassed to be in any way associated with the people who can't produce anything, and will make very sure that no one like the lady I described above ever works for me without doing a full days work. The recession actually made us kind of lean. No one who left was replaced and we had to figure out how to get the work done with less. The way to do that was to demand everyone pull their fair share. And anyone who didn't..can leave one way or another.

Most public entities have to publicly publish their terminations so its pretty easy to confirm what I'm saying is true.

Fucking White Male says

rando says

Should public sector unions be illegal?

Fucking White Male says

Retirement for civil servants was 4% per year with minimum retirement age at 55. That is bad. Someone who started at age 20 could have 100% retirement at age 55.

Also, you mean 100% of retirement at age 45, right? (25 years x 4%)

Public employee unions....should really not be allowed to make political contributions.

But as far as the entire systen goes, there would be nepotistic hiring and fraud in unbelievable amounts without someone guarding the henhouse. The public sector unions are a necessary evil I think. Also as much as the nature of civil service management is changing, the unions also are. It's a big part of the reason the retirement reforms are being made.

As to the calculation, ...

I want to just add to this. I work very hard. Its been well over a decade since I had an evaluation that was anything but top marks on every single category. I'm a top performer and in a private company setting I'd be compensated as such(though a top performer in private industry would be much better than I currently am). Basically I outshine my co-workers...I produce more, take on more difficult tasks, and do it better.

Still, I'd hate to work where theres no union protection. The reason is that I would be completely subject to whomever is elected. And if they put people in management positions that didn't like me...Im gone. Even if they love me, theres nothing preventing replacing all the civil service positions with exempt employees as political payback. And thats a disaster for not only me, but the public as well.

FortWayne says

How do you deal/put up with all that bureaucracy and inefficiency in government?

What do you think about our high taxes?

So theres a number of Departments I'd outright eliminate. Without going into too much detail, anything created to pander to a special interest group should be gone. Total waste of money. Bureaucracy and inefficiency? Where I work the only red tape is what the politicians do. The people who vote for the elected officials that run my employer...are incredibly stupid.

California's taxes are a joke and absolute folly for the Democrats. Not one of the Democrats in the state assembly or senate give a shit about what you or I pay. The train that Brown is building is political payback and he's a life asshole for screwing the citizens of California with that gigantic waste of money.

Straw Man says

Is the pay competitive with comparable private sector job? Are raises/bonuses automatic?

Pay is currently better than private sector. Private sector frankly sucks in Los Angeles. In other parts of the country, private generally pays more on an apples to apples basis. .

Raises are automatic within a civil service classification up to the top step of that classification. Promotions are not automatic in any way shape or form.

Should I put on my resume that I am incredibly rude and unhelpful, but that I demand an insane level of political correctness in the work place?

Fucking White Male says

FortWayne says

How do you deal/put up with all that bureaucracy and inefficiency in government?

What do you think about our high taxes?

So theres a number of Departments I'd outright eliminate. Without going into too much detail, anything created to pander to a special interest group should be gone. Total waste of money. Bureaucracy and inefficiency? Where I work the only red tape is what the politicians do. The people who vote for the elected officials that run my employer...are incredibly stupid.

California's taxes are a joke and absolute folly for the Democrats. Not one of the Democrats in the state assembly or senate give a shit about what you or I pay. The train that Brown is building is political payback and he's a life asshole for screwing the citizens of California with that gigantic waste of money.

Thanks for sharing that FWM. I think I'm going to be even more bitter about our taxes now after hearing your account, they are so damn high in CA and Democrats just increase them every year with more and more bonds and taxes.

Is this why We'll never get to Mars?

Tenpoundbass says

Is this why We'll never get to Mars?

Maybe. When my dad worked there in the 60's and 70's JPL was a lock step conservative place. They built the Voyagers, and as a small child I absolutely LOVED the pictures of Jupiter and Saturn...lol I always though Jupiter looked like bacon in those pictures. I still have some of those. It seems like with Space X and others, that private industry may have eclipsed JPL, but I don't have any first hand knowledge. There are some very bright ladies in tech fields, but theres a reason every single private tech company is dominated by men.

FortWayne says

Fucking White Male says

FortWayne says

How do you deal/put up with all that bureaucracy and inefficiency in government?

What do you think about our high taxes?

So theres a number of Departments I'd outright eliminate. Without going into too much detail, anything created to pander to a special interest group should be gone. Total waste of money. Bureaucracy and inefficiency? Where I work the only red tape is what the politicians do. The people who vote for the elected officials that run my employer...are incredibly stupid.

California's taxes are a joke and absolute folly for the Democrats. Not one of the Democrats in the state assembly or senate give a shit about what you or I pay. The train that Brown is building is political payback and he's a life asshole for screwing the citizens of Califo...

I have a lot of convincing to get my wife to move anywhere out of California after I retire. I'd love San Antonio, but shes dead set against anywhere that isn't California, Hawaii(Which doesn't help) and Las Vegas where the morons moving from California might just vote in a state tax.

Do jobs which require security clearance pay significantly more?

Straw Man says

Do jobs which require security clearance pay significantly more?

Not that I'm aware of, but not my area of expertise.

PCGyver says

Fucking White Male says

Voting for Democrats has consequences.

So does voting for republicans.

There can be shity democratic workers and shity republican workers.

But only Democrats seem capable of putting in programs that return 100% unintended negative consequences.

PCGyver says

Fucking White Male says

California's taxes are a joke and absolute folly for the Democrats

Yet it's the state with the highest GDP. Go figure. I guess the trickle down theory is bullshit.

State with highest population too.

Go figure.

Fucking White Male says

Nice hardwood floor planks.