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socal2 says

You really telling me that Antifa wouldn't be thrilled to have Bernie as President?

Guilt by association? Well, then, how bad is Trump since he's been officially endorsed by terrorists!

KKK’s official newspaper supports Donald Trump for president

Dan8267 says

No where in the memo does the author identify his or her gender. Isn't it sexist to presume the gender? It would be hilarious if the author turned out to be a honey badger.

Lol, bet you $100 the author is male.

Such honey badgers do not exist, at least I have not run across one like that yet.

rando says

Lol, bet you $100 the author is male.

And that's probably true as most engineers at Google are male, but it's still an assumption any reputable news agency would not make. Reporters are suppose to confirm, not guess based on stereotyping.

Still, at least we know that the author isn't a gorilla. Google doesn't hire gorillas.

Maybe Google should not be the first company to claim bigotry at the slightest drop of the hat.

rando says

There are no right wing authoritarians anymore.

All of the "agree or we will stomp on you" intolerance is from the left these days.

All of it.

This is the number one trolling site. You can do better.

Get'em outta here! Lock her up! Rapist & Murders! Grab their pussies!
5 time draft dodger condemns Sen. Blumenthal ,who apologized,for lying about his military service
Tolerance perfected.

errc says

Authoritarian- favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

I agree that Trump himself isn't playing out as a true Authoritarian. The President is representative of the People that elected him, and he was certainly elected by people longing for an Authoritarian. "A Return to Law & Order", whatever that means to you. To me, whoever he appoints as AG, is more about what he is doing than whatever he is saying on that particular day.

As far as what The People mean by The Federal Government returning Law & Order, Sessions is the polar opposite. The People don't want The War on Drugs, let alone doubling down and strengthening of civil asset forfeiture. This is real world tangible shit. Not some hokie SJW nonsense that exists primarily on the internet.

So to me, what this means as to who is or who isn't the Authoritarians, is the group of people that when asked "what's the rules here on this?", demand that you abandon thought and reason, and instead, turn to The Bigly-est Government of all and say "well, what is the rule here, we can't be bothered to think if this is right or wrong, we're just going to defer to you as to what is best for us, and go with that".

If the State says it's a go, we're along for the ride. All the way, unquestionably.

If the State says it's a no, well then, we can justify harming the bad folk pretty much all the way. No questions asked.

We find these people voting both Democrat and Republican, and parsing through the data predicted as much. Authoritarians voted Trump into office. Authoritarian voters gave us Pence, Sessions, and Gorsuck as well. Trump as the face of The Authoritarian movement. Objective people know that this is no bueno. Them's some bad hombres. Of course they marketed making America Really Shitty as #MAGA

There is no greater form of mind control than self censorship of ideas. You can blame everything on the left, but the right controls the entire government. The right built this mess that we're in. The rights' voters are marching in lockstep, unquestioning, while the left is fractured and all over the place. It's pretty fucking obvious which side is practicing the self censorship of ideas.

JFC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism#Authoritarianism_and_totalitarianism

Trump not an Authoritarian.

Govt taking your money and telling you what its going to do with it is.

errc says

There is no greater form of mind control than self censorship of ideas. You can blame everything on the left, but the right controls the entire government. The right built this mess that we're in. The rights' voters are marching in lockstep, unquestioning, while the left is fractured and all over the place. It's pretty fucking obvious which side is practicing the self censorship of ideas.

Address media and education as a wing of the Democratic party, as exposed factually by wikileaks, and we can start having a conversation.

I can only surmise you do not have, nor know, a college age student who essentially are instructed in politics in nearly every course. Or perhaps you do but are proud of them because they parrot a doctrine you approve of.

Oh and I can assure you that despite the elected situation, the majority of those working in the government are not conservative nor republican.

Patrick says

Discrimination to reach equal representation is unfair, divisive, and bad for business.

i'm sort of working up a theory that although it seems bad for business, it MUST benefit someone's pockets deeply. businesses do not do ANYTHING unless the top of the heap enriches itself, FIRST AND FOREMOST.

therefore, this controlled release of cancer is actually having a net positive outcome for chiefs, boards, and major stakeholders.

but HOW?

landtof says

i'm sort of working up a theory that although it seems bad for business, it MUST benefit someone's pockets deeply. businesses do not do ANYTHING unless the top of the heap enriches itself, FIRST AND FOREMOST.

therefore, this controlled release of cancer is actually having a net positive outcome for chiefs, boards, and major stakeholders.

but HOW?

The main benefit is that the elite gets to divide and rule the rest.

The non-elite schlubs like us are easily split by race, gender, and various made-up sexual categories.

When thus set against each other, it is far harder for us to unify to demand our fair share of the profits we work every day to create.

See how these lines diverge at just about the time SJW issues came to the fore?

That took serious courage to stand up to leftists like that.

Yes, he's definitely risking his job and perhaps his future career prospects.

My guess is that he already made his money, so he calculated he is now free to speak the truth.

Aaaand he's fired:

A Google employee who wrote a controversial memo about workplace diversity has been fired, the BBC can confirm.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40859004

This guy deserves the utmost respect from everyone who values truth more the conformity. I hope to find out his name so I can personally thank him for standing up to SJW intimidation.

And he was fired with this reasoning:

It is contrary to our basic values and our Code of Conduct, which expects each Googler to do their utmost to create a workplace culture that is free of harassment, intimidation, bias and unlawful discrimination.

He was harassed (fired) and intimidated (as he explains his document) because he was objecting to the bias against men (the assumption that the low numbers of female engineers is entirely due to male sexism). The irony!

Google perfectly proved his "Google is an echo chamber" point by firing the one guy who would not mindlessly echo what everyone was saying. Lol. Time to short Google stock yet?

rando says

See how these lines diverge at just about the time SJW issues came to the fore?

That wasn't due to SJW, as bad as SJW are. It was due to women entering the workforce, decreasing the bargaining power of labor. As we all know, bargaining power alone determines income in a capitalist economy. With labor doubling, the bargaining power plummeted despite great increases in productivity.

This is exactly why capitalism is bad. Productivity, not bargaining power, should be the sole determiner of income.

rando says

Aaaand he's fired:

A Google employee who wrote a controversial memo about workplace diversity has been fired, the BBC can confirm.

He should sue Google for wrongful dismissal and creating a hostile work environment where he was harassed because of his gender.

It's really too bad they fired him. He was just preparing his next Google treatise on 'Global Cooling'.

ThreeBays says

Christ Patrick, you're endorsing illegal workplace behavior. The dude got himself fired the second he started blabbing about women being "neurotic" and other direct discriminatory remarks against women.

bleeding out once per month and getting all sorts of bitchy about it hardly qualifies as "protected" under the law. same deal with menopause. same deal with pregnancy and the anxiety over one's career when faced with taking leave.

calling a spade a spade is not illegal. it is not even harassment.

Dan8267 says

rando says

Aaaand he's fired:

A Google employee who wrote a controversial memo about workplace diversity has been fired, the BBC can confirm.

He should sue Google for wrongful dismissal and creating a hostile work environment where he was harassed because of his gender.

That would be amazing

Something tells me this guy has a plan for this very contingency. I mean, unless he's incredibly naive, he wanted and expected it to go down just like this.

ThreeBays says

Christ Patrick, you're endorsing illegal workplace behavior. The dude got himself fired the second he started blabbing about women being "neurotic" and other direct discriminatory remarks against women.

Truth is the perfect defense against slander. It is arguably true that women are indeed more neurotic than men, taken as a group.

Is it illegal to say that men are more aggressive than women, taken as a group? Why not?

The hero's name is James Damore! And he is indeed suing, according to the NY Times tech reporter!

Here is James' most important statement:

We need to stop assuming that gender gaps imply sexism.

The reality is this: Women are biologically less inclined to prefer engineering as a profession. The bell curve of "interest in engineering" is distinctly different for men and women, even if there is substantial overlap. Why should stating that fact get one fired? It is universal across all cultures at all times.

This document is so historically important in the fight for freedom of speech against leftist elite corporate repression that I'm including a copy here in case it gets disappeared:

http://patrick.net/uploads/2017/08/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf

Damore told the New York Times’ Daisuke Wakabayashi he will likely take legal action against Google. He said he believes the company acted illegally by firing him.

“I have a legal right to express my concerns about the terms and conditions of my working environment and to bring up potentially illegal behavior, which is what my document does,” Damore told the New York Times. He said he wrote the memo to start an “honest discussion” about what he believes to be Google’s intolerance for ideas that don’t fit into its left-leaning biases, according to the Times.

Damore told the Times he submitted a complaint to the National Labor Relations Board before he was fired, claiming Google’s upper management was “misrepresenting and shaming me in order to silence my complaints.” He said it is “illegal to retaliate” against a complaint made to the NLRB.

The way I see it, is liberals want to kick women out of being house wives and send them into work force. They are well aware that many women still don't want to work, they want to live a life that has been ok for generations... aka take care of babies. It's why left posture so much constantly, pretending there is discrimination, etc... They are so arrogant they don't even care what women want, but just want women to go and work.

At no point in liberal message they asked "is this what women actually want?", no they don't even allow those words to appear in the media. Because it'll ruin their bullshit train.

Slavery 2.0, shortage of housing, shortage of water, shortage of energy, everyone forced to double income, and standards of living down. Thanks fucking left!

"Google employee James Damore has been reportedly fired for “perpetuating gender stereotypes"...In an internal memo to Google employees, CEO Sundar Pichai says he has cut his family vacation short to return to work and tackle the issues raised in the manifesto."

The linked Verge article excerpted above contains what it reports as "Sundar Pichai’s full memo."

Patrick says

Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we don’t have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership.

Patrick, that is more accurately and precisely phrased than some of your other comments, which have sometimes asserted false binary absolutes about this topic. I would add that differences in distributions of opportunities may explain many statistical disparities also.

Different people want different things. As a group, males are on average more likely to want and do XYZ, but you can certainly find many exceptions. The same applies to females. And, around 1% of the population are non-binary, for various reasons having to do with genetics, hormonal development, and other unknown factors. When you deny the existence of people who know that they exist, you sacrifice credibility and gain nothing other than venting and false virtue signaling.

Whatever your theory, it must fit the observable facts. Peter Thiel and Caitlin Jenner exist, have plenty of opportunities to do whatever they want to do, and are doing what they want to do. Jenner's first wife remembered conversations during their marriage about the issue of gender re-assignment; it's been a lifelong issue, as is typical for non-binary persons.

A software engineer should know that possibly the first person who could today be called a "computer programmer" was Ada, Countess of Lovelace, who wrote code for free as an intellectual exercise. A century later, Alan Turing designed and built the first modern computers; if he had wanted female "T&A" (which you have commented theoretically he MUST have been wired to want being male), then he would probably have had a very different life. These people existed, and Turing's work changed the world especially for computer programmers, so you should know he existed.

Lastly, I would add that a very attractive female has a range of opportunities and might choose a particular path through life because it is the easiest. Even if she is equally good at programming, she might prefer being married to a programmer and letting him do the long hours of work so she can enjoy more leisure. If the distribution of opportunity were reversed, i.e. if attractive males could count on a super-abundance of diligent females to go to work long hours every day, you would likely see a different distribution of outcomes. People's choices may reflect their opportunities more than their abilities.

And of course the left immediately implies threats of violence because shaming was not enough to silence all dissent from their agenda:

Do you understand that at this point, I could not in good conscience assign anyone to work with you? I certainly couldn’t assign any women to deal with this, a good number of the people you might have to work with may simply punch you in the face, and even if there were a group of like-minded individuals I could put you with, nobody would be able to collaborate with them.

CBOEtrader says

The left is anti-liberal. So is the right for that matter.

Finally, someone else acknowledges this.

CBOEtrader says

There's very few liberals left, Rand Paul is one of the few. I don't think you could name a real liberal from the left.

Or from the right as Ron and Rand Paul aren't from the right. They both
1. Are secular.
2. Are anti-torture
3. Are not Kenyans
4. Are anti-police state
5. Are anti-drug-war

Not exactly rightwing positions.

There are a few politicians, mostly independents, who are neither on the left nor the right, nor the center.

Do you think that political correctness may be the downfall of Google because of hiring and promoting incompetent people? Will Google become another IBM in its dinosaur phase?

curious2 says

A software engineer should know that possibly the first person who could today be called a "computer programmer" was Ada, Countess of Lovelace

The exception proves the rule. She is notable exactly because of her rarity.

curious2 says

Whatever your theory, it must fit the observable facts. Peter Thiel and Caitlin Jenner exist

My theory is that they are both biological men, and their choice of an ancient and well-known vice (and even modern surgery to further it) does not prove anything about the existence of a "nonbinary" gender. There are exceptionally rare cases of XXY chromosomes, and genital malformation, but again they are notable for their rarity, far less than the gay population.

Gays should honestly assert their right to choose their vice, instead of excusing it as somehow biologically determined.

The idea that gay behavior is biological while women's work preference is not biological is not even self-consistent.

Aaaand he's Gone....

In a memo to employees, Google CEO Sundar Pichai said the employee who penned a controversial memo that claimed that women had biological issues that prevented them from being as successful as men in tech had violated its Code of Conduct, and that the post had crossed “the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes in our workplace.”

He added: “To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not OK.”

Pichai’s wording appears to indicate that the employee is likely be fired, which some inside and outside the company have been calling for. A Google spokesperson said the company would not confirm any firing of an individual employee, but in the past others have been let go for violating its Code of Conduct.

(Update: Sources told Recode that the employee has been fired, but Google said it would not comment on individual employees. The memo’s author also confirmed his firing from the company to Bloomberg.)

Once it does happen — and it should not be long — the move is sure to attract a firestorm of criticism on both sides, putting the search giant in the crosshairs of a wider debate about gender issues taking place in Silicon Valley and across the country.

The employee memo — which was up for days without action by Google — went viral within the search giant’s internal discussion boards this weekend, with some decrying it and others defending it. Sources said the company’s top execs have been struggling with how to deal with it and the fallout, trying to decide if its troubling content crossed a line.

I wonder how Trump got elected? The people who fired him and enforce the Orthodoxy at Corporates are, to put it mildly, not Trump Voters.

I guess it's time for me to read Patrick's Less Google thread more carefully.

Here it is: https://patrick.net/1308539/2017-07-31-living-a-google-free-life

Dan8267 says

Do you think that political correctness may be the downfall of Google because of hiring and promoting incompetent people? Will Google become another IBM in its dinosaur phase?

Maybe. Clearly Google does not tolerate any dissent from the anti-male narrative, and most engineers are and always will be male.

I'm not sure whether it is currently possible to run a company which can escape the repressive leftist domination of public discourse, so maybe they have nowhere else to go.

Yet.

rando says

Can I get fired for criticizing Trump? Nope, you can get fired only for supporting Trump. Completely one-sided.

@patrick if you actually believe that then you really need to get out of the bay area bubble more often. Like anywhere between the 2 coasts. I know it's hard for the denizens to believe but the bay area is only a very very small part of America. A very very small and very very unrepresentative part of America. It's true.

So the news this morning, google let that person go. Wrong action, I'm disappointed in their unwillingness to listen.

Dan8267 says

rando says

See how these lines diverge at just about the time SJW issues came to the fore?

That wasn't due to SJW, as bad as SJW are. It was due to women entering the workforce, decreasing the bargaining power of labor.

That's a good point. Also fits with the elite agenda to take more of the profits for themselves and give less to labor.

rando says

The exception proves the rule. She is notable exactly because of her rarity.

and these were also exceptions that prove the rule because of their rarity? https://www.computerhope.com/cgi-bin/pioneer.cgi?female

or the women at JPL and NASA were all exceptions that prove the rule? The space program wouldn't have happened with out women mathematicians most of whom became programmers.

"Social justice warrior" (commonly abbreviated SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual promoting socially progressive views,[1] including feminism,[1][2] civil rights,[1] multiculturalism,[1] and identity politics.[3] The accusation of being an SJW carries implications of pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction,[4] and being engaged in disingenuous social justice arguments or activism to raise personal reputation, also known as virtue signalling.[5]

The phrase originated in the late 20th century as a neutral or positive term for people engaged in social justice activism.[1] In 2011, when the term first appeared on Twitter, it changed from a primarily positive term to an overwhelmingly negative one.[1] During the Gamergate controversy, the negative connotation gained increased use, and was particularly aimed at those espousing views adhering to social liberalism, cultural inclusiveness, or feminism, as well as views deemed to be politically correct.[1][2]

http://www.nationalreview.com/morning-jolt/450246/Firing-Google-Memo-May-Result-in-Lawsuit

My guess is that a lawsuit at Google is going to explore that question under theharsh glare of public scrutiny.Google on Monday fired the employee who wrote an internal memo suggesting men are better suited for tech jobs than women, escalating a debate over free speech at the company.Google Chief Executive Sundar Pichai said in an email to his staff that the employees memo violated company policy. Google, part of Alphabet Inc., didnt publicly name the memos author.Software engineer James Damore, who said in an email that he wrote the memo and was fired for it, said he was considering...

Google Fired a guy that was in process of talking to the Labor department about Hostile work environment.

Lawyer up Google!

bob2356 says

or the women at JPL and NASA were all exceptions that prove the rule? The space program wouldn't have happened with out women mathematicians most of whom became programmers.

Yet the fact remains that in all cultures and at all times women are much less likely to show a preference for engineering than men.

Note that that book and movie is as much propaganda as history, with fiction deliberately created to fill in where reality did not conform well enough to the narrative:

Is Jim Parsons' character, NASA engineer Paul Stafford, based on a real person?
No. In fact-checking the Hidden Figures movie, we learned that white collar statistician Paul Stafford, portrayed by Jim Parsons, is a fictional character. He was created to represent certain racist and sexist attitudes that existed during the 1950s.

It also exaggerates racism for propaganda purposes:

Did Katherine Johnson feel the segregation of the outside world while working at NASA?
No. "I didn't feel the segregation at NASA, because everybody there was doing research," says the real Katherine G. Johnson. "You had a mission and you worked on it, and it was important to you to do your job...and play bridge at lunch. I didn't feel any segregation. I knew it was there, but I didn't feel it." Even though much of the racism coming from Katherine's coworkers in the movie seems to be largely made up (in real life she claimed to be treated as a peer), the movie's depiction of state laws regarding the use of separate bathrooms, buses, etc. was very real.

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/hidden-figures/

rando says

Lol, bet you $100 the author is male.

Such honey badgers do not exist, at least I have not run across one like that yet.

Patrick, when I was in graduate school, you'd run into two camps of women.

The incompetent ones that relied on the culture that exists today to even graduate. They would get kicked out of labs for being incompetent until some hack professor only interested in funding picks them up to get some diversity money into their lab.

Then there were the competent ones. These types abhored the feminsts...could not stand the female SJW professors...and held their own. It wasn't a coincidence that all their friends in the department were male. Basically, this is how I met my wife. My wife absolutely cannot stand the shameless promotion of women in the name of diversity and equality.

As it stands right now, any female student with a 3.4 or higher in an undergraduate science program is almost certainly guaranteed into admissions for a PhD at places like Harvard or MIT whereas a male with a 3.8 can easily be ignored. Anyone that claims that women are disadvantaged when it comes to opportunities in science are either ignorant or have their own agenda.

There was one girl that I went to grad school with who absolutely could not stand this type of behavior. However, 3 years ago, she completely switched sides and sounds of the discriminatory alarm non-stop. She did this once she realized that her career will move faster on this side.