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errc says

This is sad, the leftists have destroyed this country. We must elect more Republicans to save us!

has nothing to do with political parties...this is like "modern" families where the kids are running the household.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

It's apparently Confirmed.
http://www.foxnews.com

It's not confirmed if you cite Fox News. You have to site a real news source.

NY Times: ESPN Pulls Announcer Robert Lee From Virginia Game Because of His Name

“We collectively made the decision with Robert to switch games as the tragic events in Charlottesville were unfolding, simply because of the coincidence of his name,” ESPN said in a statement. “In that moment it felt right to all parties. It’s a shame that this is even a topic of conversation and we regret that who calls play-by-play for a football game has become an issue.”

OK, now confirmed. But Fox New still twisted the story into something far more perverse. From the Fox News article

In the wake of the events in Charlottesville, Va., ESPN decided to pull one of its announcers from calling a University of Virginia football game -- because his name is Robert Lee.

Lee, an Asian-American sportscaster who started with the network in 2016, was moved to a different game "simply because of the coincidence of his name," ESPN said, referencing the Confederate general Robert E. Lee.

It omits the explicit reason given by ESPN for removing the sportscaster and that it was doing so perforced. Instead, Fox News misrepresents ESPN as trying to make some silly political statement and callously disregarding the career of a minority employee. This is downright libel.

This is why you should never reference Fox News. It just outright deceives. It has absolutely no integrity.

Now I disagree with ESPN's decision, or even that they should have the right to do so, but I would not misrepresent this as malice.

Furthermore, the Republican Party platform is that a corporation should be able to fire or redirect any employee for any reason. So it is exactly Republican policies that enable ESPN to remove Lee from the broadcast with zero legal consequences. According to GOP principles, this is no one's business except the corporation's.

Dan it seems as if you're implying that as bad as the left is, the Republicans are almost always worse. So why are so many people constantly criticizing anything they can attach to "the left", while never, ever, bothering to check what the Republicans are doing in contrast, especially when the Republicans have complete control of all branches of the government?

errc says

Dan it seems as if you're implying that as bad as the left is, the Republicans are almost always worse. So why are so many people constantly criticizing anything they can attach to "the left", while never, ever, bothering to check what the Republicans are doing in contrast, especially when the Republicans have complete control of all branches of the government?

Despite Democrats getting thrown out of so many elected positions in government, they still have alot of influence over our lives.

Democrats still have near complete control over our government bureaucracies and our culture (Academia, Media, Hollywood.............and now Sports).

So we deal with retarded Liberal Democrat issues all the time.

Honey ,
If you are going to claim that fox omitted the explicit reason given by ESPN, then don't validate your lie by quoting both sources showing that fox did not omit it.

Dan8267 says

It omits the explicit reason given by ESPN for removing the sportscaster

Dan8267 says

NY Times: ESPN Pulls Announcer Robert Lee From Virginia Game Because of His Name

�We collectively made the decision with Robert to switch games as the tragic events in Charlottesville were unfolding, simply because of the coincidence of his name,� ESPN said in a statement. �In that moment it felt right to all parties. It�s a shame that this is even a topic of conversation and we regret that who calls play-by-play for a football game has become an issue.�

Dan8267 says

From the Fox News article

In the wake of the events in Charlottesville, Va., ESPN decided to pull one of its announcers from calling a University of Virginia football game -- because his name is Robert Lee.

Lee, an Asian-American sportscaster who started with the network in 2016, was moved to a different game "simply because of the coincidence of his name," ESPN said, referencing the Confederate general Robert E. Lee.

errc says

Dan it seems as if you're implying that as bad as the left is, the Republicans are almost always worse.

The most extreme leftists are every bit as bad as the most extreme rightist. However, such extremists make up a tiny minority of the Democratic voters, less than 1%. Whereas the corresponding extremists on the right make up at least a third if not the majority of the Republican voters. The DNC and MSNBC do not promote the loonies on the left. The RNC and Fox News not only promotes, but is almost entirely responsible for, the loonies on the right.

As such, the right is still significantly more dangerous than the left. That said, there is no reason to not call out the dangers of the left. It's not a zero-sum game.

Ancestry must be slave holders from Southern China.

YesYNot says

That is an unfortunate coincidence.

No. This is neither unfortunate nor a coincidence. The station managers made the heinous and blatantly discriminatory decision not out poor luck but poor judgment. This is no coincidence, but reflects a larger trend of "appeasement at all costs" of the ignorant and violent AltLeft. (Told you guys AltLeft as a term was going into common usage!)

I agree with the rest of your post. Lee should sue.

I still want to know what this announcer guy's middle initial is.

zzyzzx says

I still want to know what this announcer guy's middle initial is.

Mr. R. WANG Lee?

Updated for clarity.
Red is the Explicit reason.
Blue speaks to the timing of actions taken.

Dan8267 says

It omits the explicit reason given by ESPN for removing the sportscaster

Dan8267 says

NY Times: ESPN Pulls Announcer Robert Lee From Virginia Game Because of His Name

�We collectively made the decision with Robert to switch games as the tragic events in Charlottesville were unfolding, simply because of the coincidence of his name,� ESPN said in a statement. �In that moment it felt right to all parties. It�s a shame that this is even a topic of conversation and we regret that who calls play-by-play for a football game has become an issue.�

"I agree with the rest of your post. Lee should sue."

What are his damages? ESPN put him on a different game which, I imagine, will pay the same.

Yea butt it was the big all important Wahoos game

If Blue Sardine can call me a liar, then I can call him a liar for lying about me lying. If that's not allowed and my retort is thrown in civil jail, then the post I'm replying to will be as well.

I get to refute any false accusations of lying. Period.

But you are lying. Explicit reason from espn is quoted by fox no matter hiw much you try to deny it

Your uncivil remark is what got your comment thrown into jail, not calling me a liar..

Dan8267 says

If Blue Sardine can call me a liar, then I can call him a liar for lying about me lying. If that's not allowed and my retort is thrown in civil jail, then the post I'm replying to will be as well.

Quigley says

The station managers made the heinous and blatantly discriminatory decision not out poor luck but poor judgment.

The unfortunate coincidence was his name and the location of the game. The decision to move him to another game was jointly made between Lee and the station managers. Have you heard him claim it was forced on him, or are you just making that up? If this happened to me, I'd be more annoyed that the alt-right was making such a big deal out of a fake controversy that I was trying to avoid in the first place by switching games.

The name Robert Lee just became controversial, and it wasn't CNNs fault and it wasn't Robert Lee's fault. This is not a plus for either party. It's a lose lose proposition, so it makes sense that they tried to avoid making it an issue during the UVA game in a mutually agreeable way. The alt-right as usual is trying to score political points regardless of the consequences. Go Pepe go.

YesYNot says

That is an unfortunate coincidence. It's almost as sad as the Chevy Nova fiasco in Spanish speaking countries, but without the economic consequences. He got switched from one game to another. He should sue ESPN into Gawkerville.

YesYNot says

The unfortunate coincidence was his name and the location of the game

Not a coincidence. ESPN already admitted it was intentional because of his name. Nova was a ignorant bumble; this was deliberate

A coincidence is some Programming Manager moved him to another game because of a scheduling conflict, and it just happened to be Robert Lee. This was a deliberate move.

YesYNot says

The name Robert Lee just became controversial, and it wasn't CNNs fault and it wasn't Robert Lee's fault.

How is it in 2017 that Robert Lee became controversial other than Leftists trying to create new fights and further divide our country? Has new history come to light about his past?

Liberals had no problem with some memorials to the Confederacy when the South was a reliable vote for Democrats. Now that the South has become less racist and is now voting for Republicans, the political Left has gone bonkers.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Not a coincidence. ESPN already admitted it was intentional because of his name.

I'm surprised if that is how my initial post was interpreted. I clarified it here:

YesYNot says

The unfortunate coincidence was his name and the location of the game.

The game reassignment appears to be a mutual agreement to avoid an idiotic outrage from the far left. Instead it brought on an idiotic fake outrage from the alt-right and was so ironic that it is probably going viral because it is funny.

socal2 says

How is it in 2017 that Robert Lee became controversial other than Leftists trying to create new fights and further divide our country? Has new history come to light about his past?

It's a controversy because of Dylan Roof, the country's response to him, the neo-Nazi shit heads that descended on Charlottesvile, the woman they killed, and Trump's tone deaf response to it all among other things.
History doesn't change. Interpretations of it change as our society changes. That's not a left or right thing. That's been going on since people have been keeping track of history.

YesYNot says

It's a controversy because of Dylan Roof, the country's response to him, the neo-Nazi shit heads that descended on Charlottesvile, the woman they killed, and Trump's tone deaf response to it all among other things.

Huh? Weren't they agitating to take down the Lee statue before the whole Charlottesville shit went down?

Dylan Roof? Does anyone think the US is a more racist country today than it was 2, 10, 20, 50 years ago? Does anyone really think the KKK is more ascendant today than it was when the Democrats controlled the South during the Jim Crow era?

I've got loads of issues with Trump and didn't vote for him. But to pretend that a born and bred New York liberal like Trump is some sort of leader for neo-nazis or the KKK is just laughable.

Left wing racism. Soon saying black in Spanish or name Robert will be banned while left wingers pull down more statues.

"Left wing racism. Soon saying black in Spanish or name Robert will be banned while left wingers pull down more statues."

This whole story is ridiculous. The guy didn't want to be the story so he probably asked ESPN to take him off the game and the right wing nutjobs are turning it into a story anyway. The poor guy can't win. There are almost no sane people left.

socal2 says

Huh? Weren't they agitating to take down the Lee statue before the whole Charlottesville shit went down?

That's why I put in Dylan Roof. It took place in Charleston, SC, and the response by the State Government was to take the flag down at the Capital building. It seemed to me that it was part a repudiation of racist thinking and part an attempt at doing something conciliatory. I put in Charlottesville, because it accelerated the demand to take monuments down for the same reasons as Charleston.

socal2 says

But to pretend that a born and bred New York liberal like Trump

I don't know if Trump has always been a Liberal, a Democrat, or a Republican or what he truly believes now. We do know he has a history of racist comments, his dad (or someone with his dad's name and address) was arrested at a KKK rally in NY, and Trump chose to use race baiting and the evangelical conservative platform to build a base to win the election. You are right that he palled around with Democrats and was pro free sex and (probably abortion) when it suited him. But, he's clearly been shouting pro-life lines and race baiting lines over the last 2 years.
He's also been using his bully pulpit to attack the press as much as anything, and lack of trust in the media and popularization of conspiracy theories is a breeding ground for radicalization. He's not trying to work the Press to get more favorable coverage. He's encouraging a media war. He's fighting this war for personal benefit, not to create radicals, but he seems oblivious or uncaring about the possible consequences.

joeyjojojunior says

This whole story is ridiculous. The guy didn't want to be the story so he probably asked ESPN to take him off the game and the right wing nutjobs are turning it into a story anyway. The poor guy can't win. There are almost no sane people left.

Exactly.

Bad news for ESPN. Guess the name of this top basketball prospect:

Hint: baron, count, lord and...

Conservatives can always stop watching espn and watch fox sports instead - they are the undisputed kings of soccer in U.S!

Google the word you used, "explicit".
Reread the link below, then apologize to the forum for trying to deceive them.
At this point its the only way you regain some dignity...

https://patrick.net/1309256/2017-08-23-confirmed-espn-pulled-robert-lee-from-uva-game?c=1436553#comment-1436553

Dan8267 says

If Blue Sardine can call me a liar, then I can call him a liar

For clarity here is the full chain of events..

https://patrick.net/1309256/2017-08-23-confirmed-espn-pulled-robert-lee-from-uva-game?c=1436520#comment-1436520

Dude got bumped from UVA vs William & Mary, and upgraded to Pitt vs Youngstown St.

That's like going from coach to first class. Win!

Who would complain about that?

Hardcore SJW's

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Bad news for ESPN. Guess the name of this top basketball prospect:

Hint: baron, count, lord and...

I give up. Who is it?

BlueSardine says

Updated for clarity.

It doesn't matter how you fucking twist it. My original point stands. Fox News is deceiving its audience in material ways, and as you have demonstrated, its audience is dumb enough to be fooled.

Who is shrek?

Dan8267 says

There is no way that Shrek did not know exactly how Fox News is deceiving.

My original post is directly aimed at this statement of yours:

BlueSardine says

Dan8267 says

It omits the explicit reason given by ESPN for removing the sportscaster

My reply to the above:
https://patrick.net/1309256/2017-08-23-confirmed-espn-pulled-robert-lee-from-uva-game?c=1436520#comment-1436520

The evidence against you:

NY Times:
BlueSardine says

NY Times: ESPN Pulls Announcer Robert Lee From Virginia Game Because of His Name

�We collectively made the decision with Robert to switch games as the tragic events in Charlottesville were unfolding, simply because of the coincidence of his name,� ESPN said in a statement. �In that moment it felt right to all parties. It�s a shame that this is even a topic of conversation and we regret that who calls play-by-play for a football game has become an issue.�

Fox News
BlueSardine says

From the Fox News article

In the wake of the events in Charlottesville, Va., ESPN decided to pull one of its announcers from calling a University of Virginia football game -- because his name is Robert Lee.

Lee, an Asian-American sportscaster who started with the network in 2016, was moved to a different game "simply because of the coincidence of his name," ESPN said, referencing the Confederate general Robert E. Lee.

To summarize: In direct opposition to what your claim is above, Fox News did not omit the EXPLICIT REASON espn gave. While Fox News did omit the reasoning behind the timing of the move, that in and of itself is not the EXPLICIT REASON espn gave.

I win.
You lose.
Goodbye.

I'm not twisting shit.
You are.
Learn what 'explicit' means, then get back to me...

Dan8267 says

It doesn't matter how you fucking twist it. My original point stands

Assuming that you are referring to me, your statement :

BlueSardine says

Dan8267 says

It omits the explicit reason given by ESPN for removing the sportscaster

Has nothing to do with this...

Dan8267 says

There is no way that Shrek did not know exactly how Fox News is deceiving.

It's becoming increasingly obvious that you really do not know how to communicate properly on the internet...

Well if that was your original point, why would you tell a lie that had nothing to do with your point below, and provide evidence that you are lying, to make it?
Regarding fox deceiving, BFD...Fox and MSNBC are the biggest news twisters on TV.
Old news. Move on...

Dan8267 says

It doesn't matter how you fucking twist it. My original point stands. Fox News is deceiving its audience in material ways, and as you have demonstrated, its audience is dumb enough to be fooled.