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Rin says

Even in high school, they'd sent warning to parents, telling their kids that underage drinking and strippers were rampant up in Montreal, as a way of shaming the kids into behaving, once the border was crossed during school trips.

That isn't shaming kids into behaving. It's just giving them obvious pointers about what to do.

In two hours, I'd be heading out to do another presentation. And thus, my time at the PatNet bar over.

So yes, I have neither the time nor the energy for a relationship.

Rin says

She wanted a relationship.

Then find someone who doesn't. Or hell, try and find someone you'd like to have a relationship with. It has its benefits you know.

Rin says

In two hours, I'd be heading out to do another presentation. And thus, my time at the PatNet bar over.

So yes, I have neither the time nor the energy for a relationship.

It's shocking that you have to work. Oh, hang on, no it isn't. Pretty much everyone juggles careers and relationships.

Rashomon says

Pretty much everyone juggles careers and relationships.

You are such a conformist.

Rin says

You are such a conformist.

That's life. It has nothing to do with conforming.

Rin says

This is called, going out for drinks after work.

In America, we're not allowed to partake in this activity

WTF are you talking about? You must be living in some kind of alternative "America".

Straw Man says

WTF are you talking about? You must be living in some kind of alternative "America".

Yes, seeing hoes is not sanctioned in America, outside of the Nevada deserts.

Rin says

Yes, seeing hoes is not sanctioned in America, outside of the Nevada deserts.

He was talking about your strange comment about after work drinks.

Rashomon says

Rin says

Yes, seeing hoes is not sanctioned in America, outside of the Nevada deserts.

He was talking about your strange comment about after work drinks.

This.

Rin says

Actually Dan, many women are rather boring, which is why I prefer Montreal esc.ort gals.

True, which is why I prefer women who are intelligence, funny, or better yet, both. Hudson Leick, Emma Stone, and Taylor Swift all qualify as both.
Rin says

Nope, but nice try at playing the shaming game.

Trolls are so pathetic. Always blame the messenger.

Rashomon says

Well, I'm not surprised Dan joins in given his weird posts on Taylor Swift.

Yes, respect and admiration must seem weird to a freak who has never been admired for anything.

Rin says

Don't worry, he'll get over her.

Why bother? It's just a pipe dream, but one that reminds me what the standard for marrying a woman should be. Every time I think about whether or not a woman is long-term relationship or wife material, I compare her to Taylor Swift. Needless to say, it keeps me single and avoids losing half my wealth and my sanity to some selfish, crazy, and vindictive person with a pretty face. And quite frankly, the younger me would have been naive enough to marry the first pretty face that pretended to love me. So it's nice to have a reminder of what a woman should be when you're in a society where women are so selfish and disloyal and geared towards short-term sexual relationships.

Back in the 1940s, most American women were like Taylor Swift and they made wives. And before any pseudo-feminist gets triggered, Swift is no subservient woman. The qualities I'm talking about are honesty, loyalty, respectability, intelligence, the willingness to work hard to accomplish things, and empathy. These are qualities most American women lack today. And yes, most American men also lack these qualities, and that is because women today do not seek such qualities in men, but they should.

Rin says

Rashomon says

What? Most people don't feel the need to brag about having to pay hookers for sex, yet you choose to do it on a one time housing forum. Like I said, very peculiar.

This is called, going out for drinks after work.

There is nothing morally wrong with prostitution, and it should not be illegal. The illegality of prostitution is what causes all the bad things about it: STDs, violence, drug addition, the inability to get support for problems. Make something illegal and those who partake in it lose the protection of the law. Thus making prostitution illegal is the greatest harm the law does to women in our society.

That said, what the hell is prostitution anyway? All heterosexual men pay women for sex in one way or another. If you buy a woman an expensive diamond ring and marry her, how the hell isn't that the exchange of wealth for sex? Does it have to be a cash transaction? So Joe gives a woman a diamond ring in exchange for sex, and it's not an engagement but rather just payment for the sex, then it's not prostitution, right? So used diamond rings simply become an alternative currency.

I take out women to nice restaurants and pay for the dates. Typically sex happens on the third or fourth date. Since I'm spending a good $200 in romance on these women before sex, does that make them prostitutes?

The artificial distinction of what is and is not prostitution is, in fact, completely arbitrary. We live in a society in which women have short-term sexual relationships, including intercourse, with men who spend money on them and take them to nice places. And yes, a lot of these women are interested in me because I have a nice car and wouldn't have given me the time of day in my first car. Yes, women are shallow. So are men. It would be nice if we didn't care about superficial things like beauty and wealth, but we do. So in almost every romantic relationship between a man and a woman, the man gives some kind of financial resource to the woman. This is just part of human nature, and in fact, even predates homo sapiens.

So calling prostitution immoral is hypocritical bullshit, and making it illegal serves no purpose but to harm both men and women. Yes, there are trade-offs between pursuing short-term relationships and obtaining a long-term one, but prostitution is not the reason that the American mating market has drastically shifted towards short-term sexual relationships.

As for the prostitutes Rin visits, I can only imagine they are a greatly different class than the ones you see on the local news -- I wouldn't touch those with a ten foot pole. I have no idea how he gets them. Come to think of it, I've never seen a hooker walking on the street except in movies and t.v. shows. I have absolutely no street wisdom. But if it makes Rin happy, and it's consensual, and Rin stays safe, why should he be ashamed of it? He's hurting no one and contributing to the local economy.

I image that Rin's paying more for sex with hookers than I spend on date and hook ups, but I could be wrong. I spend about $200 and a good ten to twenty hours of my time on a woman before sex. And, of course, I spend about $80 on one or two dates each with several woman that goes no where for every "success". So I'm probably spending in time and cash about $1500 for each time I get laid with a new woman. How does that expense compare to prostitutes, Rin?

In any case, I like going out to a nice restaurant with a beautiful woman even if I don't get laid. The meal and conversation is an enjoyable and rewarding experience in itself. It makes me feel that I'm not wasting my life away doing nothing but work and PatNet. Granted, you do get some dates where there is zero chemistry, and they get awkward, but that's just part of life. I never blame the woman. Some people just don't jive.

Ceffer says

If you hire Hillary as a prostie,

I was thinking that Hillary would be the one paying for sex.

It is clear that Rin has an anti-social psychological disorder, probably aspergers and has an inability to connect with people on a deep personal level. He has found an outlet for his physical requirements, but he has no need for personal intimacy, or no capability of creating it. Hence his use of patnet for socializing. Apparently he is unaware of his psychological dysfunction and has created a rationalization around it where his abnormal behavior is justified by women's behavior towards men and the negative aspects of the society we live in. A healthy human strives for personal, intimate relationships with other humans, despite the challenges that must be overcome. This isn't an adaptation of a normal person to a dysfunctional society, as Rin would like to present it. It is an adaptation of a dysfunctional person to a normal society.

PaisleyPattern says

A healthy human strives for personal, intimate relationships with other humans,

who says?

Dr Bu,
its my personal opinion, and I believe most psychologists and philosophers would agree.

PaisleyPattern says

its my personal opinion, and I believe most psychologists and philosophers would agree.

At some point they and most society agreed that being gay is bad also. I do not see how this is different.

drBu says

At some point they and most society agreed that being gay is bad also.

Just because society majority opinion changes doesn't mean it's now more healthy to be gay. Fact is, gay people are more at risk for STDs and other health issues, psychological issues, and suicide as well as other negative outcomes. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Just because we now have stopped being mean or openly discriminatory against gays doesn't mean it's not an objectively "bad" lifestyle!

PaisleyPattern says

A healthy human strives for personal, intimate relationships with other humans, despite the challenges that must be overcome. This isn't an adaptation of a normal person to a dysfunctional society, as Rin would like to present it. It is an adaptation of a dysfunctional person to a normal society.

This is where I disagree. In America, ppl are only close to their friends from childhood, up through the end of college.

Afterwards, for the most part, ppl only make acquaintances and business associations. This is why I cherish meeting up with old classmates and being pals, instead of always having every occasion be a business meeting of sorts.

Many ppl already know this, which is why you see cliques at major public gatherings and afterwards, leave those gatherings gaining no additional friends outside of the same cliques.

Only in places like let's say South America, do ppl meet, make new friends, and perhaps, expand their web of intimate relationships.

Many immigrants to America will tell you that the greatest difficulty they had, upon arriving in America was the difficulty in forming intimate relationships with ppl outside of their diaspora.

Dr Bu,
I'm not saying it's bad. It is symptomatic of dysfunction. A healthy , functional species must be capable of procreation, and raising their offspring. Because humans are such a complex animal, it takes approximately 18 years to raise a child to the point where it is likely to survive on its own. In order to do this, males and females must form a safe, nurturing, stable environment in which to raise a child. In order to do this, the man and the woman must form a lasting bond. This is facilitated by the ability to form a relationship based on mutual trust, respect, communication, and cooperation. An individual who cannot form such a bond may procreate, but the odds of its offspring surviving to adulthood are greatly diminished. Thus the primacy of intimacy and deep personal relationships to the health and functionality of the human species. The introduction of birth control into our society, has helped to create a culture where casual sex with a low probability of procreation has become the norm, which has contributed to the creation of a society which doesn't reinforce the behaviors which are necessary to perpetuate the species. It seems we have outsmarted ourselves. An individual, such as Rin , who is unable or unwilling to connect personally and in a lasting way with a sexual partner, is a genetic dead end. The probability of them reproducing and producing viable offspring and thus the perpetuation of their's and their ancestors DNA, is low. This is for the best, for our species, that is.

Quigley says

drBu says

At some point they and most society agreed that being gay is bad also.

Just because society majority opinion changes doesn't mean it's now more healthy to be gay. Fact is, gay people are more at risk for STDs and other health issues, psychological issues, and suicide as well as other negative outcomes. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Just because we now have stopped being mean or openly discriminatory against gays doesn't mean it's not an objectively "bad" lifestyle!

That's a very good point. We have also become "forcibly" nice to fat people, however we are not doing them a favor, in fact we are worsening their condition by being fake fat-acceptance. A good friend is supposed to tell you the blunt truth but we have let that go for a sad culture of political correctness. Of course everybody is and should be free to live as they see fit, but they should not expect encouragement (which is fake bs anyways).

Quigley says

Just because society majority opinion changes doesn't mean it's now more healthy to be gay. Fact is, gay people are more at risk for STDs and other health issues, psychological issues, and suicide as well as other negative outcomes. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Just because we now have stopped being mean or openly discriminatory against gays doesn't mean it's not an objectively "bad" lifestyle!

My simple opinion is that it is not any of my business what people do in their bedrooms. If they want to have sex with their own gender, hole in the wall, or their chainsaw, they should be able to do it and I will not judge them for that. I have a problem only if they come to me and start lecturing me for acceptance of their behavior - not caring about it is not acceptance - or if they tell me that what I do is wrong. Same in a sense goes to what Rin does and about person who says that what Rin does is a dysfunction. It is none of my business what Rin does and if he does not hurt others, why would I lecture him about anything. Unfortunately, some people try to moralize.

With respect to having children, world is overpopulated.

Rin, you are an intelligent person, but you are rationalizing your own difficulties in bonding with women and, it seems, people in general. In this sense, your intelligence is working against you. Don't box yourself in. You are still quite immature, and your attitude is sophomoric. There is much to be gained through developing a relationship with a woman and creating a family, despite the possible pitfalls. The experience of being a father can bring out the best in you. A life based upon only your own personal gratification, will eventually become meaningless. Humans are essentially a social, and tribal animal. We have evolved this way and 70 years of birth control enabled shallow sexual behavior have not changed our essential genetics and psychology. Don't give up .

PaisleyPattern says

Rin , who is unable or unwilling to connect personally and in a lasting way with a sexual partner, is a genetic dead end

I'm not the smartest guy ever, but I can edge into that "genius" bracket on the low end. One thing I know is that if people like me don't procreate, only the dumb people will be having kids. And although a few smart kids will be born as genetic anomalies to that race of imbeciles, they are unlikely to persuade the population to undertake reason and progress rather than superstition and entropy.

So I found the best, smartest, most competent and hardworking girl I could find and made some babies with her. Turns out a lot of this stuff is genetic, cuz our kids aren't only cute and handsome, but also pretty freakin smart and motivated to do stuff!

The Bible says that "children are like arrows in a man's quiver." I take this to mean that they are assets, not liabilities. I don't subscribe to the old (boomer and before) way of thinking about children. That generation regarded their progeny as a burden and spoke longingly of when their kids turned 18 so they could kick them out and be free of responsibility once again!
Bull shit!
I want my relationship with our children to continue as long as I live, guiding and helping them to achieve their dreams so that the family as a whole will be stronger for their strength. Friends are fine, but the old saying is true: blood is thicker than water. Or even beer!

If you don't have family, make some. I was alone in California, but then I made myself a family and now I'm never alone.
If you can't procreate, consider adopting some kids who aren't babies. You'll acquire friends for life, friends who are grateful for your help at a vulnerable time in their lives, who will be there for you forever.
Family is worth it!

PaisleyPattern says

I'm not saying it's bad. It is symptomatic of dysfunction. A healthy , functional species must be capable of procreation, and raising their offspring. Because humans are such a complex animal, it takes approximately 18 years to raise a child to the point where it is likely to survive on its own. In order to do this, males and females must form a safe, nurturing, stable environment in which to raise a child. In order to do this, the man and the woman must form a lasting bond. This is facilitated by the ability to form a relationship based on mutual trust, respect, communication, and cooperation. An individual who cannot form such a bond may procreate, but the odds of its offspring surviving to adulthood are greatly diminished. Thus the primacy of intimacy and deep personal relationships to the health and functionality of the human species.

The general gist of this rings true. However modern society has distorted the natural genetic selection via the welfare state and taken away any financial dependence or responsibility from the women. I also think that Rin has a point with the time at which a bond is first formed. The earlier you bond the more likely you are to stay together. Unfortunately this is also being heavily discouraged these days. The result is that the functional, able and genetically and societal healthy women stop having kids or - when they do have them - have them under poor circumstances as a last minute bang before the biological clock runs out. Whereas many of those who shouldn't procreate do so excessively, leading to mild overpopulation of the undesired kind. Also for a man to find a genetically and psychologically healthy wife with beauty in modern western society is a quest of poor odds, so many men forego it altogether. I agree it should be attempted nonetheless, but Rin's lifestyle has a lot of appeal in modern society. It would have far less in former times before leftism, feminism and cultural marxism started destroying the nuclear family unit.

If that bitch ever does the Susan Summers thigh buster the Butterfly effect from her fetid cooch would create a vortex storm of the century and destroy everything in its path.

PaisleyPattern says

Don't box yourself in. You are still quite immature, and your attitude is sophomoric. There is much to be gained through developing a relationship with a woman and creating a family, despite the possible pitfalls.

So, you do have an agenda ... which is the age old 'but what about family values?' argument, ala Puritanism.

mell says

I also think that Rin has a point with the time at which a bond is first formed.

Correct, which means that my so-called sophomoric attitude is imbibed with the truth. When you're in business, no one is a true friend, only an association.

mell says

Also for a man to find a genetically and psychologically healthy wife with beauty in modern western society is a quest of poor odds, so many men forego it altogether. I agree it should be attempted nonetheless, but Rin's lifestyle has a lot of appeal in modern society. It would have far less in former times before leftism, feminism and cultural marxism started destroying the nuclear family unit.

I've already made my decision on the situation. I do not live in denial about our society. I've made my true friends by the ages of 25-28 and afterwards, everyone new is a business contact.

Albeit, it doesn't mean that they're animals but that they'll never truly be ~100% close like the ppl who you'd played army with, during the teenage years.

Mell,
Yes, but we mustn't give in to the state enabling single mothers to raise the children. We mustn't humor behavior such as Rin's nor condone what the state is doing. We must be men and point out where our society is going wrong and stand against it. If we just find a selfish loophole niche to survive in, we are acquiescing to the subjugation and possibly the elimination of our society and possibly our species.

PaisleyPattern says

Mell,
Yes, but we mustn't give in to the state enabling single mothers to raise the children. We mustn't humor behavior such as Rin's nor condone what the state is doing. We must be men and point out where our society is going wrong and stand against it. If we just find a selfish loophole niche to survive in, we are acquiescing to the subjugation and possibly the elimination of our society and possibly our species.

Wait, wasn't I the one with the ABC syndrome?

Sounds like you've got even more insecurities, in terms of the reality that our society is in long term decline.

Rin, I am calling out and calling attention to your irresponsible, immature, and reckless advocacy of an attitude and lifestyle which is destructive to human society. As I pointed out earlier, family values are an essential requirement of human survival. A man in society stands up for what benefits society and stands against what is destructive to society. As a man with children and family ,and relatives and friends, I feel protective towards a society that can continue to thrive . I stand up for the continuation of our society and stand against proponents of a lifestyle that will bring it down .

PaisleyPattern says

Rin, I am calling out and calling attention to your irresponsible, immature, and reckless advocacy of an attitude and lifestyle which is destructive to human society. As I pointed out earlier, family values are an essential requirement of human survival. A man in society stands up for what benefits society and stands against what is destructive to society. As a man with children and family ,and relatives and friends, I feel protective towards a society that can continue to thrive . I stand up for the continuation of our society and stand against proponents of a lifestyle that will bring it down .

Why do you think that ancient Greece even had an 'Age of Pericles'? It's because back then, citizen men like myself would have a wife at home, raising a family, instead of plotting ways of stealing my IRA. So along with the Athenian naval peace structure in place, Renaissance men like Aeschylus, Plato, Herodotus, etc, were be able to produce work which even today, 2000+ years later, has value for society.

In America, such a time will come when sex robots go mainstream. When (not if) that happens, men will be producing the next generation of great works, which will have a profound effect for the centuries ahead, provided that we don't destroy ourselves in the meantime.

In contrast, today's men procreating, will simply be living, paycheck to paycheck, with the hope that someday, they'll drop dead due to a coronary. They will never produce anything more than what their corporate overlords expect from them. I choose to not join in on this party.

PaisleyPattern says

I feel protective towards a society that can continue to thrive . I stand up for the continuation of our society and stand against proponents of a lifestyle that will bring it down

There are MANY more things on that list that are a detriment to our society thriving then Rin's behavior and those similar to him. Everyone knows a guy that is that perpetual bachelor. They've existed forever. It's really not a problem at all in all honesty. So I feel like you're fighting a battle that can't be won or your energy could be shifted elsewhere, maybe where our society is actually a shit show for family values, etc. If a dude boinking hoes and not wanting to get married is a problem, it's probably 10,458 on my list of problems with our society.

WookieMan says

PaisleyPattern says

I feel protective towards a society that can continue to thrive . I stand up for the continuation of our society and stand against proponents of a lifestyle that will bring it down

There are MANY more things on that list that are a detriment to our society thriving then Rin's behavior and those similar to him. Everyone knows a guy that is that perpetual bachelor. They've existed forever. It's really not a problem at all in all honesty. So I feel like you're fighting a battle that can't be won or your energy could be shifted elsewhere, maybe where our society is actually a shit show for family values, etc. If a dude boinking hoes and not wanting to get married is a problem, it's probably 10,458 on my list of problems with our society.

Thank you Chewbacca!

Rin, You may have asperger's. You are using a destructive aspect of our society to rationalize your behavior. I'm not insecure about our societies long term decline, just aware of it.

PaisleyPattern says

You are using a destructive aspect of our society to rationalize your behavior.

Concerning that in mainstream society, I'm not even allowed to talk about hoes, it's more that I'm fighting society's oppression.

You can talk all you want about 'family values' in public w/o getting stoned. If the shoes were reversed, how would you like it? If every time you would speak of family values and someone tosses a rock your way, wouldn't you need to 'rationalize' your behavior?

PaisleyPattern says

I'm not insecure about our societies

Each rock on your forehead would increase your insecurity.

Or this this concept too difficult for your Non-Asperger's mind to comprehend?

PaisleyPattern says

I'm not insecure about our societies long term decline, just aware of it.

Dude? WTF? Let's try a little more positive outlook man. Do what you can do to improve our outlook as a society.

To you Rin is a problem, get that. But in the grand scheme of things he's but just one mosquito on the face of the earth of our problems. I'm pretty sure you don't remember every mosquito bit you've ever had, right? How about the dude that beats the shit out of his wife or kids? Don't you think that's a bigger problem? Throwing around a diagnosis of Aspergers is strange.

And if you want to get technical, we're in constant decline. Earth ain't gonna last forever. Enjoy the ride, have fun, be responsible and take care of yourself. That's about the best you can do.

jazz_music says

PaisleyPattern says

It is clear that Rin has an anti-social psychological disorder,

Does anything feel quite so good as telling another human being that they do not make the grade?

Yeah Paisley, it looks like you're losing this one. Perhaps you really do need to get a degree in psychiatry because as an amateur, you suck.

I stand by my analysis. It is unlikely I will have made an impression on you through this for him. Mostly I would like to counter your irresponsible advocacy of your lifestyle. When all of your high school friends grow up and have gone on to raise families, you may see things a little bit differently. Maybe not. But most normal people would.

I stand by my analysis. It is unlikely I will have made an impression on you through this forum. When all of your high school friends have grown up and gone on to raise families, it is likely you will feel a little bit different. Maybe not, but most normal people would .

anonymous says

irresponsible advocacy of your lifestyle

Irresponsible to whom?

As a grown-up adult, a mature person assumes responsibility for the leadership of their society in whatever way they can.Disregard for the effects of your words and actions on others is a sign of immaturity.