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me123 says

TwoScoopsMcGee says

You gonna pony up that part of the US Code where it says the President doesn't have Freedom of Speech?

The part where it says the President will uphold the Constitution?

joeyjojojunior says

You want/demand ESPN to fire Jamele Hill,

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In case you weren't aware, there is huge difference between WANTING and DEMANDING.

Who demanded?

joeyjojojunior says

EXACTLY what Trump is saying. Kaep's free speech shouldn't be allowed.

No he is not. You liberals and propoganda. if I go to my work and go to meetings and kneel during meetings and call white people racists and whit privileged fools-i will be fired. That is nto free speech-that is soemone else's business-their rules-the same as the NFL.

lostand confused says

No he is not. You liberals and propoganda. if I go to my work and go to meetings and kneel during meetings and call white people racists and whit privileged fools-i will be fired. That is nto free speech-that is soemone else's business-their rules-the same as the NFL.

Yep, you might get fired. It's up to your employer.

In this case, it is/was up to the NFL. Not you. Not Trump.

The only free speech issue is Trump trying to stifle a private citizen. And Trump telling a business how it should treat its employees.

Are you in favor of Big Government telling private businesses how to run their operations? I never pictured you for a nanny state wannabe.

joeyjojojunior says

Are you in favor of Big Government telling private businesses how to run their operations? I never pictured you for a nanny state wannabe

The president of the United states expressed his free speech rights ina campaign rally. The end. Stop your spinning. Baghdad Bob would be proud of you.

lostand confused says

The president of the United states expressed his free speech rights ina campaign rally. The end. Stop your spinning. Baghdad Bob would be proud of you.

And that "free speech" was the President of the United States telling a private corporation how they should run their business.

me123 says

Good, so you want him to be the opposite of Obama, who bowed down to other countries 's leaders and ignored the constitution. Glad to see you woke up finally after 8 years.

And once again, Trump supporters show they cannot defend their President. Their only choice is to try to deflect and bring up Obama and/or Clinton.

NFL is disgrace if they surrender patriotism to some blm whiners.

joeyjojojunior says

And once again, Trump supporters show they cannot defend their President.

Once again, we see the hypocrisy of the Obama voters.

Today I spent some time with one of our hospitalized veterans as a VA Volunteer. This vet has been in a long term coma. His parents have asked me to visit their son whenever possible.

I'm sure he would love to be able to get out of bed and stand for the National Anthem.

joeyjojojunior says

Nope--The President of the US and a private citizen are two different things. Seems to elude you.

Hahahahahahahaha. Found that Section of the US Code yet?

How about Vice Presidents? Is their free speech restricted, those Nattering Nabobs of Negativity?

Meanwhile, in one of the most diehard Blue Areas of the country:
New England fans boo their own players.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/24/patriots-fans-rain-boos-on-own-players-for-anthem-protest/


Remember, the Flag and the Anthem aren't Trump. It actually reveals a great deal that the MSM and Left mix them up

Wait...are they protesting cops killing black people in greater numbers than other races(a notion that is false) or are they protesting Trump? Or is it something else?

If these imbeciles, and that is what they are, truly have one shit about black lives, they'd stop having kids they couldn't possibly properly raise and encourage the same of others.

No matter how hard the AltLeft and greedy, cowardly NFL try, the National Anthem isn't Trump.

Reminder: Kneeling for the anthem began under Obama. The AltLeft politicized this first. Turnabout is fair play, so maximum shame mode and personalization/demonization should be active. In more than a year, the NFL has taken no steps to restrict divisive political protests by their own employees on national television.

While it fines players for wearing Remember 9/11 cleats, the NFL all of a sudden has discovered Free Speech. They want it to go away fast, they figure it's better to appeal to the youth (but making a big mistake since most AltLeft hate Football), and are too afraid to discipline their employees for Making Divisive Political Statements During Work Hours, so they figure by inventing some "Unity" bullshit, they'll silence the detractors.

The NFL is trying to call kneeling for the National Anthem "unity", as if a slick ad that is so obnoxiously laughable and discordant is going to fool anybody.
"Nothing says unity that some players deliberately disrespecting the national anthem before a game on TV."

I mean, if you put this in a novel and submitted to a publisher, they'd reject it for pushing the boundaries of belief too far.

Keep Personalizing and Demonizing. Make Goodell and Kaepernick and other "Oppressed" Multimillionaires the focus. The incongruity of privileged, wealthy athletes complaining about Oppression.

Keep banging the issue. The fact the Blue Loyalists hate it so is a sign it's highly effective and very dangerous. Just like Hillary Clinton's book tour, where she blames dozens of groups for her loss, is beautiful self-inflicted wounds that should be encouraged.

Never get in your enemies way when he makes a mistake. Indeed, encourage it.

And again--you are free to not watch the NFL to your hearts content. That's called free choice.

Go shopping at Hobby Lobby and have Chick-Fil-A for lunch. That should make you feel better.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

The Politicization of Football began before Trump. It's time to hold the tax-exempt Monopoly responsible and not let them getting away with sweeping this under the rug. It's important that AltLeft Idenitarian Divisiveness be exposed and criticized.

In other words, it's time for the Nanny State Government to tell businesses how they need to operate. That's your theory?

TwoScoopsMcGee says

The swamp is a tax-free Billion-dollar entity claiming to be All American, fining Players for wearing 9/11 gear, but tolerating employees on the clock creating Divisiveness against the very country that makes their million-dollar income possible on national television.

No more, NFL. It's not going away.

Keep Attacking.

By all means--keep attacking!

You think attacking people for protesting is a winning move? lol--please keep it up!

TwoScoopsMcGee says

A private in the US Army makes $1600 a month. Is he allowed to kneel when the Anthem is played without jeopardizing his career?

Yes. Firing a soldier for exercising his First Amendment rights would be Unconstitutional and Unamerican. It would be grounds for a multimillion dollar lawsuit.

A soldier also has the right to burn the flag. Political speech is exactly the point of the First Amendment.

.joeyjojojunior says

By all means--keep attacking!

Yep.

New England is one of the darkest blue places in the country. Booing the kneeling players. Not good for the Neolibcon Agenda.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/09/new-england-patriots-fans-boo-team-protesting-trumps-remarks http://nypost.com/2017/09/24/patriots-fans-rain-boos-on-own-players-for-anthem-protest/
Again, the Anthem and the Flag are not Trump. By protesting both, they are attacking America, which they believe in synonymous with Evil White Guys and "Pig Cops" anyway.

Meanwhile, the Media is trying to spin "If you don't respect the players disrespecting the Flag and Anthem, you're a divisive racist." But like the NFL "Unity" Ad, it's so dishonest and discordant with reality it only makes THEM look bad.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

New England is one of the darkest blue places in the country. Booing the kneeling players. Not good for the Neolibcon Agenda.

We'll see. Not sure a football game crowd is really representative of the overall population at large.


TwoScoopsMcGee says

Again, the Anthem and the Flag are not Trump. By protesting both, they are attacking America, which they believe in synonymous with Evil White Guys and "Pig Cops" anyway.

Meanwhile, the Media is trying to spin "If you don't respect the players disrespecting the Flag and Anthem, you're a divisive racist." But like the NFL "Unity" Ad, it's so dishonest and discordant with reality it only makes THEM look bad.

Actually guys like you that were going apeshit when Antifa or the crazy left tried to stop free speech by Milo or Alex Jones and now turn around and do the exact same thing to NFLers are the ones who look really bad.

Trump is a freaking genius. This weekend proved it.

He basically forced the left/Democrats into the position of publicly opposing/hating/protesting the FREAKING NATIONAL ANTHEM and American FLAG.

Do Democrats really think they're going to retake states like Michigan, Wisconsin, or Pennsylvania being the party that kneels and stretches during the National Anthem?

4D chess.

Trump could release pictures of himself sucking off Putin, at this point, Middle America will only see this:





It was beautiful. I literally saw the Democrats give up any chance of taking back the Senate right before my very eyes. These idiots did this on nationally televised games throughout the country on CBS, ESPN, and other major networks.

Trump is the ultimate 4D chess player. I didn't vote for the guy, but he's the ultimate troll, and he is eating the Democrat party one bite at a time.

Trump has even got Tom Brady calling him out now. I'm sure that is part of the 4D chess though.

Trump is a traitor for being controlled by the Russians.

But when he defends respect for the nation, he's a traitor, too!

What's a guy to do?

The NFL has disciplined players for:

* Wearing Breast Cancer Awareness eye black
* Wearing 9/11 Remembrance Cleats
* Flipping the Bird
* Dancing in the Endzone too long after a touchdown
* Hopping, Thrusting, etc.
* Making the "Picture" gesture
* Displaying Domestic Violence Awareness Messages

It seems the only thing the NFL doesn't want to discipline players for is disrespecting the Anthem.

As for the Left it was AWOL on Employee Free Speech when:

* Mozilla ditched Branden Eich for supporting anti-Gay Marriage Messaging with his own money in his own spare time.
* Christian couple refused to bake a Gay Wedding Cake. No Freedom of conscience then!
* IT Guy fired from Google over a single Memo

Those were good things that punished the bad people. Whereas gross disrespect for the Anthem and Flag is okay, because it's aimed at Trump. Think about them conflating all 3 together... they just revealed their true mentality.

"But doesn't Trump have to worry about NORTH KOREA?"

While North Korea was furthering it's missile capabilities and developing an alleged H-Bomb, CNN gushed over the President Messiah's NCAA picks.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/16/politics/obama-ncaa-tournament-bracket/index.html

"But his billionaire friends don't like his Tweet. They even gave to him."

And yet, he stood by his opinion. That's draining the swamp.

Why do you hate free speech?

joeyjojojunior says

Why do you hate free speech?

Don't ask me, ask the AltLeft that calls for every employee who writes a memo or gives $1000 of their own money to a gay marriage ban to be fired. While insisting multimillionaire entertainers not be disciplined for political protests while on the clock on national TV. Good for Goose, Good for Gander.

Hey, did you find that law that says the US President isn't a citizen and can't exercise Free Speech yet?

Lemme know when you come across it.

anonymous says

At the end of the day just as Knustler pointed out this morning in his column - why do we have to play the national anthem before each sporting event - why ? What purpose does it serve ?

The NFL plays up the "American Tradition" of Football, in order to make money. The league and it's teams take princely sums of tax payer money for stadiums and even to "honor veterans" with taxpayer Pentagon funds. Spoiled multimillionaire players then try to claim "oppression" and bite the hand that feets it. Meanwhile the NFL fines players for innocuous gestures all the time, and nary a peep from those who suddenly rediscovered Free Speech when the "Oppressed Multimillionaires" refused to stand for the Anthem.

anonymous says

if you didn't support the troops back then (and the war) you were unpatriotic and now if you don't do as directed from the White House - you are unpatriotic.

The Media is trying to convince everybody this is about Evil Trump, even though the kneeling began under Obama, and that we need to be real Americans by rejecting any and all symbols of American Nationalism.

"If you don't think Multimillionaires can create political controversy while they are on the clock and receiving the benefits of vast subsidies and special treatment from the Government and the Taxpayers behind it... You're a RACIST!!! And you hate FREE SPEECH!!! Nothing says UNITY like multimillionaires refusing to stand for the Anthem!!! "

We should be talking about banning the use of any Federal taxpayer funds for sports stadiums and revisiting why the NFL gets a tax exemption. Why?

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Don't ask me, ask the AltLeft that calls for every employee who writes a memo or gives $1000 of their own money to a gay marriage ban to be fired. While insisting multimillionaire entertainers not be disciplined for political protests while on the clock on national TV. Good for Goose, Good for Gander.

Hey, did you find that law that says the US President isn't a citizen and can't exercise Free Speech yet?

Lemme know when you come across it.

Nope--I'm asking you because you are suddenly against free speech. Why the sudden about face?

By the way--you've got it exactly backwards again. I'm not insisting that players not get disciplined, YOU'RE insisting NFL players DO get disciplined. I'm saying let the NFL Commissioner and owners decide--it's their league. You're saying that owners shouldn't be allowed to run their own business.

I've already told you like 3 times. Try reading.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

We should be talking about banning the use of any Federal taxpayer funds for sports stadiums and revisiting why the NFL gets a tax exemption. Why?

Great--let's talk about it. I'm 100% behind that.

joeyjojojunior says

By the way--you've got it exactly backwards again. I'm not insisting that players not get disciplined, YOU'RE insisting NFL players DO get disciplined. I'm saying let the NFL Commissioner and owners decide--it's their league. You're saying that owners shouldn't be allowed to run their own business.

I'm insisting that an organization that receives unbelievable benefits from the US Taxpayer and a pro-American Fanbase be a little more consistent about when they discipline Players.

You can't fine people for Breast Cancer Eyeblack or wearing 9/11 Remembrance Cleats, or prohibit wearing decals to remember slain Dallas Police Officers, and then be like "Oh yeah, they can totally kneel while on the clock for the Anthem, cuz Free Expression!"

joeyjojojunior says

I've already told you like 3 times. Try reading.

I didn't see your citation. Where in the US Code? Constitution? SCOTUS or Appeals Court Decision? Please repeat where it says the President doesn't have Freedom of Speech for me.

anonymous says

Just like regime change maybe it's time for tradition change and move on to the next activity - Immigration Reform, Tax Reform, The Budget, Getting the hell out of Afghanistan, Iraq and not going into any more places we don't belong. Then there's Health Care, Education, The Environment and on on - but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo - all of a sudden the Dotard found a streak of flag waving fervor that should be first and foremost in matters of importance.

Where was this concern when the Media was waiting with baited breath for Obama's annual NCAA picks? As Kim was developing his missiles and alleged H-Bomb.

anonymous says

BULLSHIT - This "American Tradition" started during the 1st World War to drum up support for the war. More so during the second world war.

Fine. Still doesn't explain why the NFL punishes some Speech but not Others, particularly one aimed at disrespecting the largest segment of the Fanbase and one of their top financial supporters who pay for much of their play areas with public money.

joeyjojojunior says

Great--let's talk about it. I'm 100% behind that.

Can we also agree about a ban on ANY foreign money from any foreign governments, entities, businesses, organizations going to any US institution involved in politics. Not just politicians or parties but also Think Tanks, University Departments, Presidential Libraries, Lobbyists, Foundations with Politicians on the board or as founders, etc.?

TwoScoopsMcGee says

I'm insisting that an organization that receives unbelievable benefits from the US Taxpayer and a pro-American Fanbase be a little more consistent about when they discipline Players.

You can't fine people for Breast Cancer Eyeblack or wearing 9/11 Remembrance Cleats, or prohibit wearing decals to remember slain Dallas Police Officers, and then be like "Oh yeah, they can totally kneel while on the clock for the Anthem, cuz Free Expression!"

So, you're telling the NFL owners how to run their league.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Can we also agree about a ban on ANY foreign money from any foreign governments, entities, businesses, organizations going to any US institution involved in politics. Not just politicians or parties but also Think Tanks, University Departments, Presidential Libraries, Lobbyists, Foundations with Politicians on the board or as founders, etc.?

Let's make that part of a broader campaign finance reform effort. I think we should also ban most domestic money as well. It'd be pretty easy for foreign money to be laundered through American shell companies.

joeyjojojunior says

So, you're telling the NFL owners how to run their league.

Yep. And I'm not even much of a Football Fan. Here's a Master Electrician burning a $450 Official NFL Steelers jacket. Along with all his other NFL clothing.
www.youtube.com/embed/GSxeF68FRsk

People are pissed the fuck off.

anonymous says

The paper reported that Middlemas has always been about the pursuit of justice. A stout admirer of Dr. Martin Luther King, Middlemas participated in an equality march in Springfield, Mo., in 2013 that he said was the most important march of his life.

A very old SJW, but an SJW nonetheless. Virtue signal until the grave!