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The fact is that cops who commit murdered are not prosecuted and never face justice.
And yes, cops do murder innocent white people as well, but not nearly as often.
No cop is above the law. Any cop that commits murder or plants evidence should be prosecuted as vigorously as any other criminal, even more so since he abused the power of the state to commit the crimes. Do you disagree that these criminal cops should be prosecuted?
The whole purpose of the war on drugs was to take away the right to vote from people who no longer voted Republican.
Which cops haven't been prosecuted?
Andrew Blomberg, a former Houston police officer, was acquitted Wednesday in the alleged beating of a black 15-year-old burglary suspect during a videotaped arrest.
In the video footage from a security camera, which jurors were shown in court,
the cop was prosecuted and went before a jury - right? Juries get verdicts wrong all the time, often letting guilty people go and even worse - convicting innocent people.
I don't believe this individual case is a good example showing departmental conspiracy to protect bad or racist cops.
Which cops haven't been prosecuted?
More white people (armed and unarmed) are shot by cops than black people. Granted the white population is much bigger than the black population, but the black population has a much higher rate of crime.
Why must evil Democrats make this about race and further divide our country?
Next thing you will say is that crack was purposefully introduced into the ghetto by the CIA.
Practically all of them
WTF is your point? Per capita, innocent and cooperating blacks are more likely to be shot than whites. But is everything about race to you? Racism is certainly a component of criminal cops, but the fundamental point is that criminal cops should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of the race of their victims.
The party of the South is the party of evil. Today that's Republicans.
socal2 saysMore white people (armed and unarmed) are shot by cops than black people. Granted the white population is much bigger than the black population, but the black population has a much higher rate of crime.
WTF is your point? Per capita, innocent and cooperating blacks are more likely to be shot than whites. But is everything about race to you? Racism is certainly a component of criminal cops, but the fundamental point is that criminal cops should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of the race of their victims.
Really - "practically all" cops caught doing a crime are not prosecuted?
But the BLM movement and NFL protests are all based on the notion that our country's criminal justice system is racist top to bottom.
Once the South ditched the racist Democrat party and became Republicans, they became less racist.
I agree that criminal cops should be prosecuted. But the BLM movement and NFL protests are all based on the notion that our country's criminal justice system is racist top to bottom. That is flat out false and all of the kneeling athletes should be called out on it.
(2) Blabbering by BLM etc just makes things worse, as they see racism even in weather forecasts, thus turning off many other people who would be sympathetic to their cause
The fact is that cops who commit murdered are not prosecuted and never face justice. And yes, cops do murder innocent white people as well, but not nearly as often. The criminal cops also plant false evidence, which means that no reasonable juror can ever believe any evidence gathered by the police.
The bottom line is that no criminal behavior by cops should be tolerated and race is a significant aspect of that criminal behavior.
The other issues I take, and I will try to remember to get you some evidence later tonight, is that most of these guys killing people in chicago are NOT caught and prosecuted. There's so many times I've read articles about the problems here in chicago and it gets swept under the rug by the community. The gangs have control. No one snitches on each other. I want to say it's something like 50% of black on black crime goes unsolved. There's literally probably seriel killers walking around in Chicago yet their own neighbor won't snitch on them even though they've likely seen them kill someone. It's rather sick.
I think these are separate issues. (1) Police and criminal justice system are deeply unfair, stacked against poor people no matter what their race is, and lets criminal cops off the hook. Provided that blacks are more poor, they get railroaded by justice system more often than others.
Blabbering by BLM etc just makes things worse, as they see racism even in weather forecasts, thus turning off many other people who would be sympathetic to their cause if BLM was against police unaccountability and brutality.
Think about that logic. As long as we successfully prosecute people who put Plutonium-239 in our drinking water, we should be complacent. Most rational folks would not hesitate to prevent the toxic isotope from being put in our drinking supply to begin with.
You are implying that as long as police who violate the rights of African Americans are prosecuted, then the outrageous murder rates in inner city black communities are to be tolerated, and not to be the focus of black athlete PR campaigns.
These are the real issues.
1. The courts are corrupt and will not prosecute criminal cops. The only solution to this is a separate court system to try cops. The existing court system will not prosecute cops because their power is enforced by cops.
2. The court system is designed to maximize profits, not justice.
3. Poor people get shit legal representation.
4. Adjusted for poverty, blacks get far more time and are prosecuted far more often than whites especially in drug laws. This is the racist part.
5. The war on drug was created to prevent blacks from voting. This is also a racist part.
6. The penal system is designed to maximize recidivism because recidivism is profitable to the courts and the prison industry.
7. There are perverse financial incentives for police, courts, and prison guards.
The Democrats have run Most of the worst inner cities in America for at least half a century.
Unfortunately criminals will always be around.
My question is how can we reduce the disproportionate amount of black criminals in our society?
We are rapidly approaching a crime-free society. If it doesn't feel that way to you, it's because news outlets use scare tactics to drive up ratings.
The reality is that you live in the safest time in all of human history.
Because if they're all reduced, the police brutality issue would also be reduced because police departments can scrutinize recruits much more and only hire the best.
Mind you there will still be some bad ones. Impossible to make it completely go away.
Stop robbing the liquor store. Hey blacks, stop shooting each other. Stop doing that shit and we need way fewer cops. We know the cause of ALL of this. Yet we blame the wrong things most of the time. How about fixing the cause of needing the cops in the first place? Nah, it's just the cops, the government,
I agree with #3. The rest is just nonsense.
You expect the taxpayer to pay $10 million like OJ did, just to get away with murder. Ain't gonna happen. Just because they are poor does not make them innocent.
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I agree with #3. The rest is just nonsense.
Then prove that it is nonsense. I've shown plenty of evidence to support all these points.
What crime did that 9-year-old girl shot by the cop who framed the grandmother commit? What was her crime, Strategist? And what crime did Charles Kinsey commit? Maybe you should follow your own advice and not consider every black person guilty regardless of reality or evidence.
The fact is that you, Strategist, don't give a shit if innocent people are killed in your vindictive bloodlust to kill or punish criminal, and that makes you blind to the most dangerous criminals, the ones with the power of the state behind them.
You have proved nada. Anecdotal evidence is irrelevant.
And I don't consider every Black person guilty. That is a silly accusation.
We are rapidly approaching a crime-free society. If it doesn't feel that way to you, it's because news outlets use scare tactics to drive up ratings.
The reality is that you live in the safest time in all of human history.
Strategist saysAnd I don't consider every Black person guilty. That is a silly accusation.
Far less silly than your accusation of me.
Now if being unarmed, law abiding, lying down with your hands up, complying with every order of the cops, and being completely cooperative isn't enough to keep a black man form being shot, what the hell is enough? Do they have to dye their skin white? What the fuck would you have done differently in that situation to keep form being shot? I'm willing to bet neither you nor anyone else has an answer to that question.
So what's the solution?
I have rightfully accused you of so many things
So which one are you referring to?
Strategist saysSo which one are you referring to?
The false accusation that I think all poor people are innocent of all crimes. I gave multiple examples of people who were innocent and the cops did plant evidence, shoot, and/or murder the innocent person.
There is no single magic bullet. There are a number of reforms that I propose.
1. Cease all use of military equipment by the police.
2. End the war on drugs. Decriminalize drugs and treat addiction as a medical problem. This works in every country it has been tried in.
3. End all prohibitions on U.S. citizens over 18 from voting. This includes denying the freedom to vote to felons. A right, by definition, cannot be taken away. Voting should be a right, not a privilege, and making it a privilege gives the state a perverse incentive to criminalize people and creates corruption.
4. All cops should be monitored with body cameras. The same goes for every state-issued gun.
5. The video feed should be stored and accessible to the public.
6. Prisoners should have access to review the video and flag crimes. Who's better to police the police than prisoners? They have the time and motivation.
7. Cops should be tried in a separate court system ran by judges and prosecutors who do not work with cops in trying civilians. This avoids the conflict of interest in our current court system.
8. When a cop is found guilty of a crime, that cop's entire department pays a large civil penalty that is taken from their paychecks and retirement accounts unless that department
9. Don't use prisons as mental illness institutions. Instead use real mental illness institutions to treat the mentally ill.
10. Repeal all victimless crime laws.
11. Use the European prison model. I've posted videos of it on other threads. It works. It's proven.
12. Ban plea bargains. 90% of cases never go to trial because the accused simply cannot risk getting a much longer sentence by exercising his right to trial.
So you gave more anecdotal evidence. When are you gonna realize anecdotal evidence is not evidence.
Agreed. No magic bullet otherwise it would have been done already.
Don't agree too much on this one. Just don't commit a felony. It's really an easy thing to do. Reality is anyone that is a felon is probably very unlikely to vote anyway, so that's I guess why I don't get this one
Are you saying a camera should be installed on the weapon?
Is it possible to do what you're saying?
Is it realistic and best use of tax payer money? No.
I'm not seeing this point being a reality for a while, if ever. I live in a tiny town and this would add substantial dollars to the annual budget.
Dan8267 says6. Prisoners should have access to review the video and flag crimes. Who's better to police the police than prisoners? They have the time and motivation.
I don't get this one at all. A biased, convicted prisoners should have zero influence on anything. This is a bad idea.
That staffing, salaries and benefits alone is $500k in most counties at a bare minimum.
I get where you going, but this is a lunatics idea. While the stakes aren't the same, throw this same concept at any other field/profession. It wouldn't be allowed. It's DOA and always will be. You can't control other humans. And even when you see something wrong (whether you like it or not) it sometimes is not in your best interest to report it. This will ALWAYS exist.
This one is tricky. Again I get what you're saying. But to some ANY criminal activity is a mental illness.
Dan8267 says12. Ban plea bargains. 90% of cases never go to trial because the accused simply cannot risk getting a much longer sentence by exercising his right to trial.
I don't know the intricacies with this one. I actually don't think the criminals would agree with you on this one. But I suppose it's not their choice.
The take a knee movement is about all the innocent and nonthreatening blacks who have been slaughtered by criminal police who never had to answer for their crimes.
There is absolutely no reasonable justification for denying the vote to felons. There are plenty of reasons for not doing so including
Reference, please.
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Simply stated, black on black crime is the driver for disproportionate police engagement in the community, the driver for disproportionate friction with the community, and the driver for disproportionate black arrest and incarceration rates.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/14/illinois-politicians-wake-up-to-chicagos-murder-plague.html
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