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2017 Nov 13, 6:55pm 13,101 views 41 comments

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#misc @patrick We all want some kind of a balance between uncivil posts and normal posts.
Suppose, the moderator, instead of making the post disappear, redirects it to a thread just for "insults and uncivil" posts. All responses to insults, which are inevitable, would simply end up in the "insults and uncivil" threads. This way, everyone gets what they want from the site, and no one gets discouraged from posting. If someone does not like the "insults and uncivil" thread, they never have to click it on. Those who want to read or respond, will have there say too.
A couple of refinements will be needed, but if the concept makes sense to you, lets work on it.

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Patrick 2017 Nov 13, 9:27pm

mell says

the high and mighty want the average joes on both sides to fight amongst themselves while they guide us into our new lives as serfs.

Absolutely.

We fight, and they run off with the ball.

Goran_K 2017 Nov 13, 9:41pm

I never thought a simple rule directing people to “attack the point not the person” would cause so much turmoil.

Seems simple but maybe the discussions around here have gotten so vicious that it’s now the norm and those who don’t engage aggressively are the abnormal ones.

I swear though PatNet wasn’t like this back in the days when thomas1986 and others were still around (for people who were around then).

PeopleUnited 2017 Nov 13, 9:41pm

Patrick says

mell says
the high and mighty want the average joes on both sides to fight amongst themselves while they guide us into our new lives as serfs.

Absolutely.

We fight, and they run off with the ball.

This is why Patnet is more relevant than ever. Patrick, you have a place where "they" don't control the narrative. Nearly every other media outlet has conformed to the will of the elites. But here everyone has a voice, even those we disagree with (as long as they can express their views in a civil fashion).

Patrick 2017 Nov 13, 9:46pm

Goran_K says

I swear though PatNet wasn’t like this back in the days when thomas1986 and others were still around (for people who were around then).

I think it's because I was a Nazi about deleting flame war comments back then.

Really. Seems like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory is true.

Grateful to have moderator help in deleting all the personal attacks.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia 2017 Nov 13, 10:04pm

Patrick says

Goran_K says
I swear though PatNet wasn’t like this back in the days when thomas1986 and others were still around (for people who were around then).

I think it's because I was a Nazi about deleting flame war comments back then.

Really. Seems like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory is true.

Grateful to have moderator help in deleting all the personal attacks.

It was a bloodbath for Thomas and Bap. I don’t even know how those guys could deal with it as they were outnumbered in any thread by 20 to 1. I stayed out of the politics forum here for years.

20 mell 2017 Nov 13, 10:50pm

Fucking White Male says

It was a bloodbath for Thomas and Bap. I don’t even know how those guys could deal with it as they were outnumbered in any thread by 20 to 1. I stayed out of the politics forum here for years.

Yeah I remember that. Talk about a site for "right-wingers" - NOT! That was some outright brutal reception they received, indeed.

21 HEY YOU 2017 Nov 13, 11:00pm

"idea"!
That's a first for patnet.

Strategist 2017 Nov 14, 8:15am

Sniper says

Very true. Go read any article on any news or financial sites that allow comments. You'll see the comments immediately dive into tribal battles, the actual info in the article is rarely discussed. Meanwhile, DC continues it's rape and pillage of all Americans, and no one is paying attention.

And it will never change. Why fight the tide? Just go with it.

23 anonymous 2017 Nov 14, 10:08am

Since when does Patrick.net have any need for being SFW?

You can’t be working and posting/reading Patnet simultaneously. Unless your job is to troll Patnet.

As an American that values the Economy, the last thing we need is to enable people to be avoiding their work at their job, to post on Patnet.

Get back to work if you’re at work

Or better yet, man up and make something of yourself so you’re not subject to censorship from your boss

Onvacation 2017 Nov 14, 10:09am

errc says

You view a personal attack on yourself as uncivil

Because it is.
errc says

if someone you view as being on your team, attacking someone who you view as on an opposing team, then you allow it to remain.

YOU have the power to mark uncivil and then patnet can become a place where people can share and debate ideas.

Goran_K 2017 Nov 14, 10:12am

errc says

Since when does Patrick.net have any need for being SFW?

Good question.

Start a thread under #misc or #patnet and tag Patrick. If Patrick decides NSFW is not important then that's what it will be. It would limit my time being able to hang out on PatNet though to off hours.

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW 2017 Nov 14, 10:25am

Goran_K says

The truth is

pretty much exactly as justme summarized it.

Goran_K says

He was abusing his moderating ability right out of the gate.

He didn't abuse his moderating ability (sic). He posted a comment in the wrong category, so that he could avoid you as a moderator. That didn't rely on his moderating powers, because any poster could do it. Although he disagreed with your categorization of a picture, I recall that he clearly stated repeatedly that you were unfit as a moderator for other reasons. I'll take you at your word that you are trying to be honest and represent what happened accurately. But if that is the case, it seems to me that your ego is preventing you from seeing the situation clearly.

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW 2017 Nov 14, 10:47am

Goran_K says

Your ego and bias is preventing you from admitting that he basically attempted to circumvent the site's rules and moderation

No it is not. I admitted that he was trying to circumvent the site's moderation - namely your moderation. In fact, if you go back to the original thread, you will see that I was the first person to call him out on it. I stated that he was not abusing his moderator power, which I think is what you meant when you wrote 'moderation ability'. Now, you are mis-characterizing what I wrote. Do you even see the difference?

tovarichpeter 2017 Nov 14, 12:52pm

Very good idea.

Strategist 2017 Nov 14, 9:20pm

jazz_music says

anon_62240 says
it's all irrelevant; the high and mighty want the average joes on both sides to fight amongst themselves while they guide us into our new lives as serfs.

You all seem to be in general agreement with this notion.

This is Panet, not the mental ward.

jazz_music says

The whole game, our loss of republic, was laid out in detail recently right here on patrick.net and it didn't get much notice. There's even various proposed solutions to regain our republic.

He he he he he he. OK...How do we get back the republic we never lost?

MrMagic 2017 Nov 14, 9:42pm

Strategist says

This is Panet, not the mental ward.

Really? It's hard to tell based on some of the posts here.

Strategist 2017 Nov 14, 9:45pm

Sniper says

Strategist says
This is Panet, not the mental ward.

Really? It's hard to tell based on some of the posts here.

I really put my foot in my mouth there, didn't I?

32 NewOldUser 2017 Nov 15, 12:32am

Goran is doing a fine job. When the Left loses, they turn to censorship. Didn't work here, because Patrick knows better.

Strategist 2017 Nov 15, 7:38pm

jazz_music says

Strategist says
He he he he he he. OK...How do we get back the republic we never lost?

Your question makes no sense but contains an awful lot of "He he he he he he."

You should listen to Heraclitusstudent's link, there are some illustrative graphics too
http://patrick.net/post/1311802/2017-11-09-podcast-how-money-corrupts-congress-and-a-plan-to-stop-it
I recommend not only talking about it, but memorizing as much of it as you can.

Corruption is like cockroaches and prostitution. You can never get rid of it.
Socialist countries have a lot more corruption, because the power rests in the hands of very few individuals. You think Maduro, Kim Jong Un, and Castro live as equals to their citizens?

Patrick 2017 Nov 15, 8:24pm

Strategist says

Socialist countries have a lot more corruption, because the power rests in the hands of very few individuals.

True, but it's also true that we are getting more corruption of our political system here as more power is concentrated into the hands of our oligarchs.

They can simply buy our laws with campaign donations and lobbying, and use those laws to ensure that there is no challenge to their near-monopolies.

Cash flows in, cash is used to buy lawmakers, lawmakers divide us with bullshit identity politics and quietly pass laws which ensure the cash keeps flowing to the oligarchs. Rinse and repeat. Forever.

Strategist 2017 Nov 15, 8:35pm

Patrick says

Strategist says
Socialist countries have a lot more corruption, because the power rests in the hands of very few individuals.

True, but it's also true that we are getting more corruption of our political system here as more power is concentrated into the hands of our oligarchs.

They can simply buy our laws with campaign donations and lobbying, and use those laws to ensure that there is no challenge to their near-monopolies.

I cannot disagree. This is why we have corruption. It's still less corruption than socialism/communism where they have very few people in power.
In our case, we have a solution.....campaign finance reforms, lobbying, changes in law etc.
We have the means to make the right changes. We need to strive it.

MrMagic 2017 Nov 15, 9:47pm

Patrick says

They can simply buy our laws with campaign donations and lobbying, and use those laws to ensure that there is no challenge to their near-monopolies.

Cash flows in, cash is used to buy lawmakers, lawmakers divide us with bullshit identity politics and quietly pass laws which ensure the cash keeps flowing to the oligarchs.

37 anonymous 2017 Nov 16, 6:29am

Patrick says

Strategist says
Socialist countries have a lot more corruption, because the power rests in the hands of very few individuals.

True, but it's also true that we are getting more corruption of our political system here as more power is concentrated into the hands of our oligarchs.

They can simply buy our laws with campaign donations and lobbying, and use those laws to ensure that there is no challenge to their near-monopolies.

Cash flows in, cash is used to buy lawmakers, lawmakers divide us with bullshit identity politics and quietly pass laws which ensure the cash keeps flowing to the oligarchs. Rinse and repeat. Forever.

.....and you voted for the biggest oligarch there is, whose lust for illegal power is his only guiding principle. smh. he thinks the DOJ should harass anyone who doesn't admire the length of his fingers. if someone laughs at one of his cronies they get investigated and sued. he sends his brain-challenged children as ambassadors and representatives to other countries.....and you think that's not all pure evidence of corruption and plutocracy? a man who won't release his tax returns? wow, you really guzzled the authoritarian koolaid.

38 anonymous 2017 Nov 16, 7:44am

Patrick says

True, but it's also true that we are getting more corruption of our political system here as more power is concentrated into the hands of our oligarchs.

If money = power and we give a tax break that favors the wealthy (oligarchs). Aren't we just giving the oligarchs more power? Still further adding to the corruption. If Trump wanted to make America great he would make tax law that taxes the rich wealthy oligarchs and takes a "chunk" of their wealth when they pass on to the other side.

You don't extinguisher the power of oligarchs by giving them a tax break.

Strategist 2017 Nov 16, 7:46am

anon_66fd9 says

Patrick says
Strategist says
Socialist countries have a lot more corruption, because the power rests in the hands of very few individuals.

True, but it's also true that we are getting more corruption of our political system here as more power is concentrated into the hands of our oligarchs.

They can simply buy our laws with campaign donations and lobbying, and use those laws to ensure that there is no challenge to their near-monopolies.

Cash flows in, cash is used to buy lawmakers, lawmakers divide us with bullshit identity politics and quietly pass laws which ensure the cash keeps flowing to the oligarchs. Rinse and repeat. Forever.

.....and you voted for the biggest oligarch there is, whose lust for illegal power is his only guiding principle. smh. he thinks the DOJ should harass ...

You think if Hillary was President, corruption would suddenly come to an end? The negative issues you perceive would just disappear?
You got your vote, and that's all you get. Nothing more.

40 anonymous 2017 Nov 16, 9:04am

Strategist says

You think if Hillary was President, corruption would suddenly come to an end? The negative issues you perceive would just disappear?
You got your vote, and that's all you get. Nothing more.

I know I don't think so. But at the same time I'm not holding my breath that Trump will make America Great again.

Here is a question, when was America Great? What time frame are we trying to relive?

Strategist 2017 Nov 16, 9:08am

anon_13ce6 says

Strategist says
You think if Hillary was President, corruption would suddenly come to an end? The negative issues you perceive would just disappear?
You got your vote, and that's all you get. Nothing more.

I know I don't think so. But at the same time I'm not holding my breath that Trump will make America Great again.

Here is a question, when was America Great? What time frame are we trying to relive?

I think America has been great since the civil war, and still is.

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