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HappyGilmore says

lol--see here's the part that Trump fanboys can't understand. Liberals have no problem admitting when Dem politicians let them down.

Ha Ha ha, that's really funny.

Can you please provide the video links where Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein, etc. admitting where their party let them down? I must have missed those clips on Fox News. That would have made national news.

Just provide a few links please, I'm sure there are tons to choose from, right?

HappyGilmore says

Obama didn't spy on anyone

Does the name, Evelyn Farkas, ring any bells??

"EVELYN FARKAS: …“I was urging my former colleagues and, frankly speaking, people on the Hill…[to] get as much information as you can, as much intelligence as you can, before President Obama leaves the administration.”

Farkas admitted that she “had a fear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior people [from the Obama administration] who left.” She feared that it would disappear into the abyss of “the bureaucracy,” and “that the Trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about…the Trump staff’s dealing with Russia, that they would try to compromise those sources and methods.”.

There are several telling insights to glean from Farkas’ remarks.

First, Farkas here acknowledges that the Obama administration, essentially, had indeed been gathering intelligence, or spying, on private citizens.

https://townhall.com/columnists/jackkerwick/2017/04/02/evelyn-farkass-six-revelations-about-obama-trump-and-the-deep-state-n2307464

HappyGilmore says

lol--see here's the part that Trump fanboys can't understand. Liberals have no problem admitting when Dem politicians let them down. Bill Clinton was a DINO and promoted many Republican policies like deregulation and free trade as well as welfare reform. Those are not liberal policies and that is evidenced by the fact that Dem Congressmen overwhelmingly voted against those measures while Republican Congressmen voted overwhelmingly in favor of them.

Obama didn't spy on anyone--you sound like the real liar Devin Nunes.

And what's nonsense about the tax plan that is a gift from heaven for the 1%? That's a fact. The only nonsense is the conservative BS about liberals hating America because they want to improve it.

LOL Obama did not spy on anyone-LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHy don't you post some facts on your claim on !%

She acknowledges that the FBI and DOJ were doing their jobs and investigating criminal behavior.

anon_3b28c says

She acknowledges that the FBI and DOJ were doing their jobs and investigating criminal behavior.

What criminal behavior would that be?

I've always maintained the only difference between trump and clinton is trump doesn't try to hide his lies.
The appeal of Trump is that his lies are blatant and out in the open. He could not give a flying fuck if you believe him or not.
Hillary and the vast majority of politicians mask their lies with deception, which translates to a double slap in the face to the masses.
Bottom line, how many times do you want your face slapped for any given comment?

lostand confused says

Then you must hate Hilalry Clinton and Obama.
Who gutted Glass Steagal .
Who signed NAFTA and pushed heavily for free trade.
Who came and lied multiple times that if you like your doctor/plan you can keep it.
Which traitor colluded with the Russians toi subvert democracy in our country.
Obozo the lying clown ran against NSA and free trade-what did he do in office-spy on an opposing candidate-and you still support the treasonous dog.

lostand confused says

LOL Obama did not spy on anyone-LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHy don't you post some facts on your claim on !%

Pretty sure Obama was never slinking around in a trench coat surreptitiously watching anyone during his term.

On the 1%--it's pretty simple. Just google Trump tax plan helps the 1% and you'll get 10,000 hits. Here are a few you can start with:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-tax-plan-boon-1-percent-new-analysis-finds-n806056

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/29/trump-tax-plan-benefit-richest-1-percent

https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetnovack/2017/09/29/trump-plan-delivers-massive-tax-cuts-to-the-1-and-sharp-kick-to-upper-middle-class/#151d388e1099
That last one from Forbes--a real liberal rag...

anon_a1631 says

What criminal behavior would that be?

Money Laundering, fraud, working as a foreign agent.

Don't worry, it will likely all come out when Mueller announces his findings.

HappyGilmore says

Pretty sure Obama was never slinking around in a trench coat surreptitiously watching anyone during his term.

He is the commander in chief when all this happened and now we have texts that he wanted to know everything-all roads lead to him. The Justice DEpt, FBI all report to him-the treasonous unconstitutional dog who was a constitutional scholar-LOL.

As for your sources-that is typical MSM. To me evidence is putting out facts of 300 million + people in each bracket and analyzing the befits for all. I come out better and now way am I 1% . I don't think I am even 10%. But hey who cares-liberals, this is what they believe-despite it being established that Hilalry colluded with the Russians. Like I said dems need to put country first-can't do that if you hate this country and everything it stands for.



HappyGilmore says

Money Laundering, fraud, working as a foreign agent.

Don't worry, it will likely all come out when Mueller announces his findings.

HappyGilmore says

anon_a1631 says

What criminal behavior would that be?

Money Laundering, fraud, working as a foreign agent.

Don't worry, it will likely all come out when Mueller announces his findings.

That sounds awesome, let me get my popcorn, I can hardly wait for those facts.

lostand confused says

As for your sources-that is typical MSM

It must be nice when one can simply dismiss anything that is counter to ones viewpoint as MSM. There are no facts. No truth. Only what one chooses to believe, right?

lostand confused says

I come out better and now way am I 1% . I don't think I am even 10%

Yep--Trump made it so most people do have small gains. But the vast majority of the borrowed money is going to the 1%.

The only problem is if that borrowed money ever gets repaid--then that small gain you got will look miniscule compared to the bill you get.

HappyGilmore says

They don't want Presidents that use the office to enrich themselves and their family.

Good thing we didn't elect Hill. The Clintons made half a billion while "serving the public". Imagine how wealthy they would be if we put them back in office.

anon_3b28c says

It must be nice when one can simply dismiss anything that is counter to ones viewpoint as MSM. There are no facts. No truth. Only what one chooses to believe, right?

Facts are facts-opinion articles froma group that consistently supports are not facts-unless backed by exact figures.MSM has beebn screaming trump Russia and now it looks increasingly like Hilalry colluded witht eh Russians-the shameless pigs won't cover and still scream nonsense-a broken clock can still be right twice a day-but is wrong the rest of the time.

anon_3b28c says

Yep--Trump made it so most people do have small gains. But the vast majority of the borrowed money is going to the 1%.

The only problem is if that borrowed money ever gets repaid--then that small gain you got will look miniscule compared to the bill you get.

Please. This like multimillionare nancy Pelosi talking crumbs-you folks are so out of touch. Pelosi You people think the small gains are a joke-keep pushing that line. The billionares always have all kind sof trusts and foundations and such-Clinton got 200 million plus and she didn't pay a cent in taxes-because she calls it a foundation.
The tax cut added 1 trillion in ten years and gave all of us working people a break and some rich people a nice break.
Obama the treasonous dog raised taxes, destroyed healthcare for middle class and added 10 trillion the deficit-what did anyone egt out of that 10 trillion in debt???

Sniper says

That sounds awesome, let me get my popcorn, I can hardly wait for those facts.

You probably have a bit of time. Mueller is still doing interviews gathering evidence.

anon_3b28c says

Yep--Trump made it so most people do have small gains. But the vast majority of the borrowed money is going to the 1%.

The only problem is if that borrowed money ever gets repaid--then that small gain you got will look miniscule compared to the bill you get.

Tax cuts. The gov is not giving the rich money, they are taking less. Tax cuts, not giving the rich
anon_3b28c says

borrowed money

anon_3b28c says

It must be nice when one can simply dismiss anything that is counter to ones viewpoint as MSM. There are no facts. No truth. Only what one chooses to believe, right?

Yep, that's SOP for WaPo, NYT, MSNBC, et al.

anon_3b28c says

But the vast majority of the borrowed money is going to the 1%.

Why is this still being chanted when it's been proven over and over to be untrue?


anon_3b28c says

The only problem is if that borrowed money ever gets repaid--then that small gain you got will look miniscule compared to the bill you get.

The Dems should have worried about that when they let Obama add $10 TRILLION to the debt over 8 years. Why wasn't that a problem circa 2008 - 2016, but is an issue in 2017?

anon_3b28c says

Sniper says

That sounds awesome, let me get my popcorn, I can hardly wait for those facts.

You probably have a bit of time. Mueller is still doing interviews gathering evidence.

Yes, those 17 intelligence agencies with access to EVERY piece of evidence just need a little bit more time to find....... nothing......

anon_3b28c says

Sniper says

That sounds awesome, let me get my popcorn, I can hardly wait for those facts.

You probably have a bit of time. Mueller is still doing interviews gathering evidence.

I sense that the "bit of time" is just an attempt to keep this alive and running through the mid-terms.

Sniper says

Yes, those 17 intelligence agencies with access to EVERY piece of evidence just need a little bit more time to find....... nothing...

If nothing = 4 indictments and counting...

anon_3b28c says

Sniper says

Yes, those 17 intelligence agencies with access to EVERY piece of evidence just need a little bit more time to find....... nothing...

If nothing = 4 indictments and counting...

The broken record again.

Please list what those 4 indictments are and how they are directly related to Trump's 2016 campaign.

I'll be waiting.

Sniper says

The broken record again.

Please list what those 4 indictments are and how they are directly related to Trump's 2016 campaign.

I'll be waiting.

If it's a broken record, then I'm sure you already know. One typically doesn't lie to an investigator unless he/she has something to hide...

anon_8f378 says

One typically doesn't lie to an investigator unless he/she has something to hide...

That’s not how it works. When the FBI questions a suspect, they already know all the facts. What they are looking for is either the suspect to incriminate himself or state something that disagrees with their list of facts. This could be a wrong date or time or any sort of thing deemed material to the case. Then BLAM! They’ve got the guy cold on “Lying to the FBI” which is a felony.

If you are ever requested to be interviewed by the FBI as anything other than a witness, decline. If you can’t decline, say as little as possible, and use Hilldawg’s favorite line “I do not recall” like you’re at church and that’s a Hail Mary. There is no benefit from talking to them. There is only a near certain conclusion that they will stick you with this ridiculous charge of lying to them.

Quigley says

That’s not how it works. When the FBI questions a suspect, they already know all the facts. What they are looking for is either the suspect to incriminate himself or state something that disagrees with their list of facts. This could be a wrong date or time or any sort of thing deemed material to the case. Then BLAM! They’ve got the guy cold on “Lying to the FBI” which is a felony.

lol--we're not talking about the FBI asking what he had for breakfast 3 months ago. These guys knowingly lied to hide incriminating meetings, evidence, statements that they didn't think the FBI already knew. Unfortunately for them, the investigators did their jobs and proved them to be liars.

anon_8f378 says

lol--we're not talking about the FBI asking what he had for breakfast 3 months ago. These guys knowingly lied to hide incriminating meetings, evidence, statements that they didn't think the FBI already knew. Unfortunately for them, the investigators did their jobs and proved them to be liars.

Oh please Hillary used bleach bit, actually broke her phones with a hammer , destroyed ehr emails after a congressional subpeona-the fBI did what-lOL!

http://reason.com/archives/2018/02/08/donald-trump-shouldnt-talk-to-the-feds-a
“The president is no mere witness. He is at least a subject, and likely a target, of the special counsel's investigation. In federal criminal parlance, a witness is someone not suspected of wrongdoing who has useful information, a subject is someone suspected of wrongdoing who may well be charged if the evidence supports it, and a target is someone whose indictment is actively sought as a purpose of the investigation. When the feds interview a subject or target, their goal is not mere information-gathering or fact-finding or "clearing a few things up." Their goal is the hunt.

In the old westerns, rather than take the trouble of hauling mustachioed miscreants to desultory trials, lawmen would often provoke them into drawing first, thus justifying shooting them down where they stood. A modern federal interview of a subject or target is like that. One purpose, arguably the primary purpose, is to provoke the foolish interviewee into lying, thus committing a new, fresh federal crime that is easily prosecuted, rendering the original investigation irrelevant. Title 18, United States Code, Section 1001, which makes it a felony to lie to the feds, is their shiny quick-draw sidearm. This result not an exception; it is the rule. It happens again and again.

Consider George Papadopoulos. The special counsel secured his guilty plea not for improper contact with the Russians but for lying about that contact to the FBI. Consider Michael Flynn. He too pled guilty not to unlawful contact with Russians but to lying to the FBI about that contact. ”

anon_8f378 says

Sniper says

Please list what those 4 indictments are and how they are directly related to Trump's 2016 campaign.

If it's a broken record, then I'm sure you already know. One typically doesn't lie to an investigator unless he/she has something to hide...

What are the 4 indictments? Has our president done something illegal?

jazz_music says

... fucking Trump is proven to be insulting your intelligence 5 or 6 times a day by lying to your face AND STILL YOU TALK ABOUT

jazz_music says

Hillary Hillary Hillary, Obama, Obama, Obama,

... fucking Trump is proven to be insulting your intelligence 5 or 6 times a day by lying to your face AND STILL YOU TALK ABOUT

Hillary Hillary Hillary, Obama, Obama, Obama,

WHAT A BUNCH OF PUSSIES!!!!!

I approved this since it accused Trump of Insulting Somebody's Intelligence and I didn't see a who specifically was being insulted, just all Trump Supporters.

Quigley says

Consider George Papadopoulos. The special counsel secured his guilty plea not for improper contact with the Russians but for lying about that contact to the FBI. Consider Michael Flynn. He too pled guilty not to unlawful contact with Russians but to lying to the FBI about that contact. ”

Right--and that's because they are co-operating. If no cooperation, then the charges are probably different and more serious.

lostand confused says

Oh please Hillary used bleach bit, actually broke her phones with a hammer , destroyed ehr emails after a congressional subpeona-the fBI did what-lOL!

Is there any way to have a conversation about Trump without mentioning Hillary? Just wondering.

anon_8f378 says

These guys knowingly lied to hide incriminating meetings, evidence, statements that they didn't think the FBI already knew. Unfortunately for them, the investigators did their jobs and proved them to be liars.

Can you please explain how you know this inside information from Mueller,. I'm curious where the details of these investigations leaked out. I haven't read the details.

anon_8f378 says

Sniper says

The broken record again.

Please list what those 4 indictments are and how they are directly related to Trump's 2016 campaign.

I'll be waiting.

If it's a broken record, then I'm sure you already know.

Sorry, I don't know how these indictments show Russian collusion, that's why I asked for those details.

anon_8f378 says

Is there any way to have a conversation about Trump without mentioning Hillary? Just wondering.

No, because in our election system, it was basically Hillary the Wonderful Progressive Totally Not A Hint of Corruption vs. Trump. There were two choices, and contrasting with the losing candidate who was the only viable alternative is perfectly reasonable.

I have no love for Trump (did not vote for him, do not like tax cut without corresponding cutting of expenses - where is fiscal responsibility), but this Russian collusion issue is loads of crap. If anyone was colluding with Russian, then it was Clintons who got money from them for their foundation.

One interesting piece of news which is ignored by MSM. I will give a link and then translation, as it can be found only in Russian-language media.

https://el-murid.livejournal.com/3662471.html https://el-murid.livejournal.com/3666035.html
This https://el-murid.livejournal.com/ has 4-5 more articles about the bombing, with names and photos of a few killed Russians.

A few more links are available if anyone is interested and/or can read in Russian. There are links in Kurdish but I can not read in that language.

Conspectus: American bombing and shelling killed anywhere between 200 and 600 Russian mercenaries and regular troops near Deir-Ez-Zor on Feb 7, on left bank of Euphrates. Russians tried to attack Kurdish forces, which had embedded American instructors. They called airstrikes and MRLS fire on Russians.

This type of attack has to be sanctioned on the highest level and could not have happened under Obama. To me, it is a pretty good proof that Trump is in no collusion with Russians. He is likely a narcissistic sociopath, but he is no Russian stooge.

drBu

TwoScoopsPlissken says

No, because in our election system, it was basically Hillary the Wonderful Progressive Totally Not A Hint of Corruption vs. Trump. There were two choices, and contrasting with the losing candidate who was the only viable alternative is perfectly reasonable.

If that's the reasoning, one should at least preface by saying that Trump and his associates are probably guilty and hiding stuff, but so was Hillary.

Sorry--those last two quotes from sniper are backwards.

Sniper says

Can you please explain how you know this inside information from Mueller,. I'm curious where the details of these investigations leaked out. I haven't read the details

Again-let's not make the post about me.

But, here's what's public about Papa's lies:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/30/george-papadopoulos-donald-trump-russia-charge-putin


Sniper says

Please list what those 4 indictments are and how they are directly related to Trump's 2016 campaign.

No actually you asked:


Sniper says

Sorry, I don't know how these indictments show Russian collusion, that's why I asked for those details.

anon_8f378 says

Sniper says

Can you please explain how you know this inside information from Mueller,. I'm curious where the details of these investigations leaked out. I haven't read the details

Again-let's not make the post about me.

You're claiming some inside knowledge about details of the investigation, that's why I asked you to clarify them. Who else should I ask? Stop being so sensitive or don't make claims that people ask you to verify.

anon_8f378 says

Sniper says

Please list what those 4 indictments are and how they are directly related to Trump's 2016 campaign.

No actually you asked:


Sniper says

Sorry, I don't know how these indictments show Russian collusion, that's why I asked for those details.

Isn't Mueller's investigation about looking for Russian collusion in the past elections? Didn't Trump run in the elections? Hasn't the overwhelming narrative been Russia helped Trump win.

Why do I always need to connect these dots?

anon_7e933 says

You're claiming some inside knowledge about details of the investigation, that's why I asked you to clarify them. Who else should I ask? Stop being so sensitive or don't make claims that people ask you to verify

Nope--was just stating that the evidence is out there so the statement I responded to is inaccurate. Not inside info at all. The indictment is public.

anon_7e933 says

Isn't Mueller's investigation about looking for Russian collusion in the past elections? Didn't Trump run in the elections? Hasn't the overwhelming narrative been Russia helped Trump win.

Why do I always need to connect these dots?

My guess would be so you can incorrectly connect them.

anon_8f378 says

The indictment is public.

Since the indictments are public, then everyone knows what Manifort and Gates were indicted for, right?

Hint: it had NOTHING to do with Russian interference with the election, and was for events YEARS before.

Bonus questions, what was Flynn's position with the Trump campaign? What was he indicted for?

Second bonus questions, why was Flynn's sentencing date pushed back just the other day? If's he's definitely guilty of Russian collusion, why isn't he in prison yet?

Let's See, Manafort was busted for some shennanigans about taking money from Ukrainians, whom he had subcontracted to assist via Podesta Group. Manafort's been taking money from foreign groups (just like Clinton related lobbyist groups have) for decades upon decades now. Podesta Group "restated" their own Ukrainian lobbyist money many years after they took it and are now shutting down like the Clinton Foundation.

Flynn was entrapped by not wanting to tell the leak-heavy FBI about his meeting with Russian officials, which was part of his job description as part of an incoming Administration.

However, Flynn may not have been entrapped and may have deliberately caused a 18 USC 1001 charge and immunity for testimony for purposes yet to be revealed. Note that the Mueller-Flynn deal is months old yet and we haven't heard shit, and you bet your ass Mueller would have leaked ("Officials close to the Mueller Investigation") something by now if there was anything to leak.

anon_10ddb says

Hint: it had NOTHING to do with Russian interference with the election, and was for events YEARS before.

Yep--and those indictments are expected to be amended with additional charges. Depends on how cooperative Gates and Manafort become.

anon_10ddb says

what was Flynn's position with the Trump campaign? What was he indicted for?

I'm really surprised you need me to answer these for you. The info is readily available. Flynn was "a top adviser and high-profile surrogate to Trump during his campaign, introducing the President-elect at rallies and serving as a top cheerleader on his hyper-active Twitter feed."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/17/politics/trump-offers-flynn-job-of-national-security-adviser/index.html
Obviously he became National Security Advisor as well.

"Prosecutors alleged Flynn “did willfully and knowingly make materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statements” to FBI agents during a Jan. 24 interview about his conversations with the Russian ambassador. According to the allegations, Flynn falsely told FBI agents that he did not ask Kislyak to delay a vote on a pending United Nations Security Council resolution"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/01/michael-flynn-charges-what-we-know-now/912909001/
(note--this was not a perjury trap. Flynn lied to try to hide his behavior)

anon_10ddb says

why was Flynn's sentencing date pushed back just the other day?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/31/politics/robert-mueller-michael-flynn/index.html
There you go. My guess is they are still evaluating his cooperation. Note--both sides wanted it pushed back.