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What state run insitution demanded all non-Christians leave Campus? And complained they were being oppressed when a Professor stood up to them? And attacked that professor on campus, with the blessing of his PhD peers?

What Fortune 500 Corporation endorses Christian values in their employment policy and fires those who dare suggest otherwise, in a memo?

How many public universities have extreme Christian groups, backed by a multitude of professors, demanding reparations from non-Christians, particularly Pagans, due to Arena Martyrdom and other historical injustices?

What Public Broadcasting Arm regularly promotes Christian Martyrdom and building Relationships with Jesus in every news cast?

The solution, of course, is to require Gender Studies majors to take at least 3 hard science courses in biology, neuroscience, etc. After all, you can't be an expert in Gender if you know absolutely nothing about hormones, genes, etc. But then again, science is a patriarchical institution, and, as Feminist Ingaray Luce famously said, "objectivity is male subjectivity." (along with: "Why should the speed of light be privileged over other needful speeds?")

YesYNot says

Left and right are both guilty of identity politics.

I didn't read your thread on this, however I think white nationalism, like the KKK was going out of fashion and basically limited to a few nuts, until democrats insisted on identity politics for minorities as a political strategy to get a majority, largely based on the upsurge of latinos.

White nationalism and minorities identity politics are mirror images of each other. You can't coalesce one tribe without coalescing its out-group.

When the President was asked on why he invaded Iraq, instead of Saudi Arabia who was responsible for 9/11, a move that would wind up costing incalculable lives, trillions of dollars, and would give rise to modern day Islamic Terrorism and ISIS:

Bush told him and Mahmoud Abbas, former Prime Minister and now Palestinian President, that "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq', and I did."

And Bush is quoted as telling the two men, "I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And by God, I'm gonna do it."

YesYNot says

I've expressed in comment 1 why the religious leaders on the right love to turn this into a culture war.

But of course. This is how tribalism works. The more you insist on imposing one idea seen as extreme, the more you bolster people with the opposite idea.
This is how politics work.
The swamp knows it well. This is how they divide us based on trivial issues - while buying our laws.

YesYNot says

As for the left continuing to fight for the rights of minorities, they have a pretty good track record over the last 40 yrs.

Nothing fails like success. They become arrogant and go too far. This is how Hitler attacked Russia.
The NYT published dozens of article on transgendered people in 2016. Then Trump got elected.
People are like "Really? This is really what you are about? You don't have anything else to talk about?"

Heraclitusstudent says

White nationalism and minorities identity politics are mirror images of each other. You can't coalesce one tribe without coalescing its out-group.

Exactly. Identity Europe is simply a mirror image of Black Lives Matter. But far smaller and much less socially acceptable.

BLM: "We wuz Kangz!!!"
Identity Europa: "We wuz Vi-Kangz!!!"

errc says

And Bush is quoted as telling the two men, "I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And by God, I'm gonna do it."

Whereas Obama allowed himself to be talked into Libya and Ukraine without any voice of God. Just Hillary, Nuland, Powers, and the other Wicked Witches of Neoliberal Internationalism.

2 Scoops - I see you have read Ted K's manifesto. He was a really smart guy and he nailed the whole problem with Leftists. Too bad he could not control his own mind.

errc - the reason why trans issues are brought up a lot is because they make the deviant behavior of vanilla queers that much more normalized by comparison.

This is a well known technique that the Left uses when they push their morally reprehensible agenda. Disgust their opposition to the point that their true victory slides by unnoticed inside the distraction.

NewOldUser says

This is a well known technique that the Left uses

This all started nearly 50 years ago with the advent of the cultural/sexual revolutions which sought to overthrow traditional ideas of marriage, sexuality and any reigning taboos or stigmas pertaining to them. Thus today we have 40% out-of-wedlock births among whites and 70% plus among blacks--in the mid 60's this would have seemed both impossible and horrific. We also have an entrenched drug culture, and AIDS which was unknown before 1981. A monolithic bureaucracy of social service agencies has grown up in society's efforts to corral the human carnage caused by these pathologies. The following is an excerpt from David Horowitz's discussion of how the Left was commiserate in the spread of AIDS but also explains their theory of eliminating the idea of a normal, bourgeois society which is what all the hoopla of gender is about:

"When the “Gay Liberation” movement was born in 1969 with the Stonewall riots, its leading activists and theorists emphasized the importance of promiscuous anal sex as a behavioral repudiation of America's repressive “sex-negative” culture and its “heteronormativity” (i.e., the heterosexual and monogamous norm), as queer theorists called it. In the radical view, existing sexual norms reflected nothing about humanity’s biological experience, but were merely a social construction to preserve the privileges of a dominant group.

Like black radicals before them, gay activists rejected the idea of integration into a normally functioning civil order. Gay liberation was identified with a sexual agenda that did not seek civic tolerance, respect, and integration into the public order of bourgeois life. It was defined instead as a defiant promiscuity, the overthrow of bourgeois morals and sexual restraints -- and, consequently, of bourgeois standards"

Why do Rep/Con/Nazis DENY that their ilk are on some form of their big govt. SOCIALIST hand outs & subsidies?
Slapped down again by their hypocrisy.
These Socialists are domestic enemies taking taxes from hard working Americans.

Heraclitusstudent says

But of course. This is how tribalism works. The more you insist on imposing one idea seen as extreme, the more you bolster people with the opposite idea.
This is how politics work.

Yeah, to a degree, that's why it's hard for a party to retain the Presidency after 8 years. Last time it happened was after Reagan. That's part of why Trump won. Another part is that Trump is actually a good marketer and brander. As I said during the campaign, his skill set is well suited to running a campaign. Maybe not so good for being President.
IMO Trump's election has energized the left the same way that Obama/Clinton energized the right in 2016. That's unlikely to subside over time.

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

IMO Trump's election has energized the left the same way that Obama/Clinton energized the right in 2016. That's unlikely to subside over time

It has energized the elft to go cuckoo and throw all rationalism to the wind. They howl to the moon, talk about blowing up the white house, absolutely show no rationality. They are driven by pure hate and no logic-they have shed all shreds of humanity. They are having a mental breakdown.

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

What I don't understand is the right's infatuation with the topic.

You were doing so well up until this point! Then you based the rest of your argument on this one faulty assumption. Conservatives aren’t interested in trannies. We are getting trans people and trans issues force fed to us daily by media of all sorts, protests, lawsuits, and general rabble rousing on the left designed to RAISE ATTENTION to trans people and their fucking ISSUES! Most of us would be fucking happy to never hear about these disgusting issues ever again!

Could this be the origin of the phrase "clusterfuck"
Heraclitusstudent says

Yeah that's all very well, there 2 clear clusters.

This.
missing says

if there is a need for additional terms (words) then the dictionary should be expanded, rather than fight to redefine existing terms.

At the heart of it it's basic negotiations 101.
Ask for too much and accept what you really wanted and portray it as a win win
NewOldUser says

errc - the reason why trans issues are brought up a lot is because they make the deviant behavior of vanilla queers that much more normalized by comparison.

This is a well known technique that the Left uses when they push their morally reprehensible agenda. Disgust their opposition to the point that their true victory slides by unnoticed inside the distraction.

It's why left hates trump so much.

The art of the deal unmasks basic leftist strategies

TwoScoopsPlissken says

that those who seek to display MORAL RIGHTEOUSNESS!!! must continually press at the extreme margins to find something to bitch about. They also want pre-pubescent children to have the right to take hormones and get complicated, invasive elective surgeries

Interesting the degree to which all of these are wrapped together in one generalization. The bathroom issue is one that never should have blown up if it weren't for Sean Hannity and folks like yourself that think they can get the base all worked up about those freaky left wingers, over such a non issue, as giving those small number of trans folks a public restroom.

I don't like the promotion of transexuality and the truth is I'm probably transphobic, and it's not moral righteousness that makes me think they should have a restroom. It's the problem solver in me. That problem could have been solved much more quietly.

AS for people that want young children to take homones and consider changing genders ? THose are fucked up people that number about as many as actual trans folks, or probably less, way under 1%. If they happen to be democrats, that's sort of like someone that believes in genocide of all non whites happening to be republican. What kind of person would generalize those beliefs on to many republicans, many conservatives or many right wingers ?

TwoScoopsPlissken says

sneer at millions of underemployed rustbelters wishing them death by narcotics.

Btw, as we continue to consider whether the luddites are finally going to be right about concerns of technology eliminating jobs, there may have to be some big changes in our economic model to deal with it.

My point here being that something akin to increased socialism may be the solution. i.e. guaranteed income or jobs funded in ways that are not related to direct expected productivity or profits attributable to said jobs.

I don't buy the idea that nationalism and closing ourselves off from the world is a solution. The causes of the plight of those underemployed are many and the other side of the coin is billions of people being lifted up economically. (yes - not Americans ). Yes globalization. What if the solution ends up being government programs. I'm not saying that would be a good thing. It's just that I don't see corporations stepping in and solving it. They could be taxed on their robots, but then what if china isn't taxing their robots, being willing to let their people have a lower standard of living.

The questions are huge and plentiful.

What do you say we get all worked up emotionally and morally indignant about solutions that don't make any sense ? OR perhaps we could just act like we care deeply (moral righteousness) about people we don't give a fuck about, and just blame the problem on the other political party implying somehow that our savior or our party has solutions.

The bathroom issue is one that never should have blown up if it weren't for Sean Hannity and folks like yourself that think they can get the base all worked up about those freaky left wingers, over such a non issue, as giving those small number of trans folks a public restroom.

Giving the transgenders their own bathroom is the first solution thought of by right, middle, and even some left. Problem is, the separate bathroom is not acceptable to the transgender and many left wing. In near to me Gloucester County VA, we had just such a case where the she-to-he did not accept the special separate bathroom accommodations made, and instead sued to use the boy's bathroom. ACLU joined in and the County had an expensive lawsuit that went all the way to the VA Supreme Court. The case only proceeded that far based on Obama's policies, but the court kicked it back down when Trump rescinded the Obama policy:

In Grimm’s case, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit had deferred to guidance issued by the Obama administration and overruled the Gloucester County School Board’s policy that students must use restrooms that correspond with their “biological sex.”

But the Trump administration last month rescinded that guidance. So the Supreme Court in a one-sentence order vacated the 4th Circuit’s opinion and sent it back for further consideration, which may require a closer look at the constitutional and legal questions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-sends-transgender-case-back-to-lower-court/2017/03/06/0fc98c62-027a-11e7-b9fa-ed727b644a0b_story.html?utm_term=.e3b5e23610dd

marcus says

Interesting the degree to which all of these are wrapped together in one generalization. The bathroom issue is one that never should have blown up if it weren't for Sean Hannity and folks like yourself that think they can get the base all worked up about those freaky left wingers, over such a non issue, as giving those small number of trans folks a public restroom.

"If Sean Hannity hadn't drawn attention to the Trans bathroom issue that we've been pushing for months , jeez! We just got Target to make all it's bathrooms Trans Friendly, then these bigots vowed to stop shopping there, stupid boycott LOL. Then NC wouldn't have passed that bigoted law requiring people to match the bathroom to their current genitalia and for us to Boycott the whole State in return!"

LOL!!!

"Just shut up and let us do what we want. It's your fault for drawing attention to our causes! Just accept our social transformation you don't want without complaint! Sheesh, my gawd, bigots!"



Or the way the Left views it:

Sexual Reproduction is an Colonialist White Supremacist Cisgendered Myth used to oppress POCs, Transgenders, and Sexual Minorities.