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LeonDurham says

It was public officials that decided to remove them--not SJWs.

Sadly, for elected officials it is easier to remove statue than to deal with SJW's clogging up traffic and defacing property.

LeonDurham says

Again-a statue is art. Sometimes it commemorates a historical act of idolizes a historical figure, but it's never history

Due to the actions of these SJW politicians, those particular statues ARE now history!

LeonDurham says

It's not erasing history, it's a decision not to honor that person.

And this is where we are today.

"'RACIST + RAPIST' SPRAY PAINTED ON THOMAS JEFFERSON STATUE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA"
http://www.newsweek.com/thomas-jefferson-statue-vandalism-university-virginia-886233

Washington, Adams and Lincoln will be next.

Then again, I believe you made the claim that each generation is smarter than the last.

"History is racist and sexist and homophobic. Let's pretend nothing came before us so no one's feelings are hurt" - Millennials

Not completely relevant, but when my grandmother died in New Orleans, a pair of 4 foot blackamoor statues that were always in her parlor came up for inheritance, and out of family nostalgia and just because these statues were kinda way cool (if a bit gaudy), I seriously thought about taking them before they liquidated her estate. I ended up not, because these days, my friends in CA would be horrified if they walked into our foyer and saw blackamoor statues looking back at them.

My uncle and aunt have a collection of Aunt Jemima stuff from the '30s-'60s, like cookie jars, wall art, kitchen items, etc. that would send SJW's for the hills.

LeonDurham says

Like I said--elect different people then. It was public officials that decided to remove them--not SJWs.

Really, the removal of the Oh Sussana guy wasn't initiated by SJWs?

Quigley says

see that we agree. Before (near) universal literacy, statues and other works of art were the primary method of keeping historical acts alive in the minds of the common people.
Given the clear preference internet users show for pictures over text, I’d say we still prefer visual art as remembrance queues rather than dry textbooks.

No, that's not really true at all. Songs/poems/stories were used much, much more than art to keep history alive.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Really, the removal of the Oh Sussana guy wasn't initiated by SJWs?

I don't know. But I do know that they didn't MAKE THE DECISION to remove it. That was elected officials.

socal2 says

And this is where we are today.

"'RACIST + RAPIST' SPRAY PAINTED ON THOMAS JEFFERSON STATUE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA"
http://www.newsweek.com/thomas-jefferson-statue-vandalism-university-virginia-886233

Washington, Adams and Lincoln will be next.

Then again, I believe you made the claim that each generation is smarter than the last.

Yep. And a couple idiots certainly doesn't disprove that statement.

There is an official ideology and bureaucracy at play here.

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2015/august/black-clergy-continue-campaign-against-sanger-bust

So, the statue of a great songwriter is taken down solely because of a black dude playing the banjo sitting next to him, but a vicious Eugenicist who called for sterilizing and aborting the Black Race into extinction is just fine and dandy.

Because the former offending the right Black Folk, but the latter offended the wrongthink Black Folk.

Don't be Right Deviationist!

RecentCost says

"History is racist and sexist and homophobic. Let's pretend nothing came before us so no one's feelings are hurt" - Millennials

Not all millenials. This is a tyranny of a very loud, righteous minority. The idiocy of the few is redpilling millenials daily. Expect millenials to continue to leave the left into the near future, as they have over the last 2 years.

At some point the useful idiots will congregate back to the right, at which point the pendulum will start to swing again towards the left.

The useful idiot masses arent going anywhere, despite their current move to leave the left.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

So, the statue of a great songwriter is taken down solely because of a black dude playing the banjo sitting next to him, but a vicious Eugenicist who called for sterilizing and aborting the Black Race into extinction is just fine and dandy.

Nice that you are the official arbiter of what offends African Americans. Does everyone need to ask you for permission to be offended? Does the request have to be written on a specific form for you to approve?

It's actually quite amusing, because Trump supporters are the ones who are always looking for ways to get offended and persecuted.

RecentCost says

"History is racist and sexist and homophobic. Let's pretend nothing came before us so no one's feelings are hurt" - Millennials

How about--let's not honor racists? Is it possible to understand that people used to be racist and homophobic and sexist, and also decide not to idolize and honor them?

LeonDurham says

sexist

MLK would not survive in today's "me-too" environment
LeonDurham says

racist

Washington - slave owner, Jefferson - slave owner. About the latter two, I am sure that if current atmosphere persists, their statues will be removed in a few years.

In contrast, statues of, for example, De Vargas and Don Juan de Oñate are left where they are. Don Juan de Oñate ordered cutting off Native American feet and in general was genociding Indians left and right. But they belong to currently more politically correct segment of population, namely Hispanic. Can we say different rules for different historic figures based on their ethnic/racial origins?

LeonDurham says

It's actually quite amusing, because Trump supporters are the ones who are always looking for ways to get offended and persecuted.

Bizarro-world stuff right there.

Anyone who is halfway paying attention and honest knows that it is the Left wing that is constantly "offended" as they are tearing down statues, throwing tantrums on college campuses, boycotting corporations, shutting down right-wing speakers, rioting in the streets and creating a gazillion classifications of persecuted groups along with "hate-crime" legislation.

Tell us who is offended again?

Talk about being persecuted. Which party is constantly paranoid that Trump is going to ban contraceptives, reinstate Jim-Crow, throw gays in jail, and force women to have babies?

The left-wing entire brand is to convince people they are being persecuted and need big government to protect them.

socal2 says

Bizarro-world stuff right there.

Really? Sure seems like Trumpworld was offended by a comedian making jokes last weekend. I guess free speech is only important when it's saying good things about Trump.

Left working overtime to erase history.

Straight out Orwell’s book.

LeonDurham says

I guess free speech is only important when it's saying good things about Trump.

I guess you think criticizing hack left wing-comedians isn't free speech?

Every partisan and smugly liberal I have ever met can sure dish it out, but they shriek and call foul anytime a Conservative hits back rhetorically.

"Can't they take a joke! They hate free speech! What a crybaby!"

LeonDurham says

Sure seems like Trumpworld was offended by a comedian making jokes last weekend

I hate to ruin your argument but ... The Hill has pulled out of next years WHCD citing a mean spirited atmosphere and one-sided hateful rhetoric it doesn’t want to be associated with. Several other publications are also considering withdrawing from the event as well. Trump supporters just saw the hateful attacks as proof that Trump was 100% correct to miss the event.

LeonDurham says

Is it possible to understand that people used to be racist and homophobic and sexist

Yah, like practically everyone prior to the last half a century, where the racism has dwindled to just those who call themselves Democrats. Should we erase all our history to “whitewash” out the unsanitary bits? Should we pretend that all people with racists beliefs never existed? Seems like that’s the only way Leftists will be satisfied.

socal2 says

I guess you think criticizing hack left wing-comedians isn't free speech?

Suggesting the dinner should be shut down seems like anti-free speech to me.

Quigley says

LeonDurham says

Is it possible to understand that people used to be racist and homophobic and sexist

Yah, like practically everyone prior to the last half a century, where the racism has dwindled to just those who call themselves Democrats. Should we erase all our history to “whitewash” out the unsanitary bits?

Obama and Hillary Clinton were anti-gay marriage just a few years ago.

We need to tear down the presidential portrait NOW!!

Quigley says

I hate to ruin your argument but ... The Hill has pulled out of next years WHCD citing a mean spirited atmosphere and one-sided hateful rhetoric it doesn’t want to be associated with. Several other publications are also considering withdrawing from the event as well. Trump supporters just saw the hateful attacks as proof that Trump was 100% correct to miss the event.

How does that ruin my argument? How is that any different from SJWs getting cities to remove monuments?

Trumpkins cried to get their way.

Quigley says

Yah, like practically everyone prior to the last half a century, where the racism has dwindled to just those who call themselves Democrats. Should we erase all our history to “whitewash” out the unsanitary bits? Should we pretend that all people with racists beliefs never existed? Seems like that’s the only way Leftists will be satisfied.

Nope--smart people realize that statues aren't history. If you want to learn history, read a book. Watch a documentary. Visit a museum.

Looking at art doesn't teach history.

socal2 says

Obama and Hillary Clinton were anti-gay marriage just a few years ago.

We need to tear down the presidential portrait NOW!!

Hey-at least you understand that statues are art. We're getting somewhere.

LeonDurham says

How does that ruin my argument? How is that any different from SJWs getting cities to remove monuments?

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/385742-matt-schlapp-whca-dinner-will-turn-americans-tired-of-the-hate-to-trumps

Maybe this will enlighten you. I’m betting against it, but I feel confident that others reading this thread will understand where you haven’t a prayer.

LeonDurham says

Nice that you are the official arbiter of what offends African Americans. Does everyone need to ask you for permission to be offended? Does the request have to be written on a specific form for you to approve?

Funny, Government Institutions usually back down in the face of minority complaints.

But here the Smithsonian had to choose between the Powerful Libby Lobby in Media, Government, and Academia, run by Well-Off, Well-connected Democrat Women who control much PR, Budgets, and Donations the Museum depends on. Chicks like the Port Authority bitch.

Safer to insult the Black Pastors, instead.

Quigley says

Maybe this will enlighten you. I’m betting against it, but I feel confident that others reading this thread will understand where you haven’t a prayer.

Read it. Still don't see anything "ruining" my post. It's an opinion piece by CPAC. Not sure what you think it says.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Funny, Government Institutions usually back down in the face of minority complaints.

Yep--kind of like how government is afraid of the NRA and gun nuts.

LeonDurham says

Yep--kind of like how government is afraid of the NRA and gun nuts.

Unlike the Smithsonian, the NRA doesn't depend on contributions from Wealthy Coastal Elites.

LeonDurham says

Read it.

Liar. The time stamp on my post is 3:34 and your post is 3:36. You read the entire article AND wrote a lame ass reply in 2 minutes? Doubtful.

LeonDurham says

Not sure what you think it says.

Speaking of being not sure - who exactly on the Right said they should BAN the WHCD?

I believe most Conservatives simply said they shouldn't attend the left wing circle jerk.

We get plenty of smugly Liberal group-think and condescension from Comedy Central, Media and most Hollywood products.

socal2 says

Speaking of being not sure - who exactly on the Right said they should BAN the WHCD?

Let's see--Trump tweeted it.

Since when is calling a liar, a liar smug?

Quigley says

Liar. The time stamp on my post is 3:34 and your post is 3:36. You read the entire article AND wrote a lame ass reply in 2 minutes? Doubtful.

lol--you think it's impossible to read that short article in 2 minutes?

Pretty sure calling another poster a liar is against the rules here..

How about you quit mucking around and simply state what you think this article says and why it "ruins" my logic.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Unlike the Smithsonian, the NRA doesn't depend on contributions from Wealthy Coastal Elites.

Hilarious. Are contributions from rednecks somehow better than money from liberals in your world?

Condescending much? That attitude is why Republicans have lost 17 pts on average in every election since 2016.

Besides the fact that the NRA depends on money laundering funding from Russians... Not sure that's something to brag about.

LeonDurham says

Hilarious. Are contributions from rednecks somehow better than money from liberals in your world?

Rednecks don't have the influence, money, and power of swarmy DC elites.

LeonDurham says

Condescending much? That attitude is why Republicans have lost 17 pts on average in every election since 2016.

Haha! And yet they control both Houses and the Presidency and the Supreme Court and most of the State Governorships and Legislatures.

Meanwhile, the Dems are losing the Millenials, and in the past few months have seen a double digit lead vanish nationwide.

Those rednecks are hard to kill off, ain't they?

And Trump Bashing fatigue has set in, because there is no there there.
www.youtube.com/embed/k-RtCtD-p7E

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Rednecks don't have the influence, money, and power of swarmy DC elites.

Neither do folks living on the coasts. btw---how funny was it for Matt Schlapp to complain about "elites" mocking him?? Has he looked in a mirror lately? I guess he was too busy buying his $3MM vacation home.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Meanwhile, the Dems are losing the Millenials, and in the past few months have seen a double digit lead vanish nationwide.

Well, AZ-08 sure disagrees with you. Republicans underperformed by ~20 pts there in a race with no unusual circumstances. It's all old white Sun City folks and Dems still almost won.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Those rednecks are hard to kill off, ain't they?

And Trump Bashing fatigue has set in, because there is no there there.

We'll see, won't we. Trump just leaked a bunch of questions HIS lawyers wrote and lied saying that Mueller wrote them and leaked them. It seems Mueller threatened to subpoena him and then he relented on the interview request. He supposedly is obsessed with Cohen investigation. Personally, I think he's too dim to collude with Russia, but it's entirely possible that Russia was blackmailing him.

I just hope Mueller slow plays this enough to make it draw into the midterms

Aphroman says

And yet, with all that control, all they can do is whinge about how everything is ruined because the liberals ruined it all, and the liberal media is keeping them from doing anything to fix all the problems. Strange how they are so powerless to act, even when they hold all the power. I wonder why that is

Nothing accomplished?

Tax Cuts
Supreme Court Appointment
Lowest Unemployment in 20 years
Lowest Black, Hispanic, Female Unemployment in US History
Rescinded Title XI guidance letter (HUGE)
Refugee influx down to a fraction of 2016 levels
Border Crossings down 70%.
Rescinded Coal and Oil exploitation bans
Liberated Americans from Prisons in Egypt and North Korea, Obama let them rot
Massive Stock market gains
Peace Talks between Koreas and US
Reciprocal Tariffs
"Muslim Ban"
Suing Sanctuary States
Corporate Socialist Obamney Care dismantled
ISIS ("JV Team") all but obliterated
Jerusalem recognized as the Capital of Israel
Kate's Law passed
Nixed DACA
GDP Growth above 3% (Will Never Happen Again, said pundits)
NAFTA Renegotiations started (The Canadians and Mexicans are fighting for FEWER North American Parts, which is what is taking so long)

That's with most of the Press, Democrats, Academia, Corporations, and a good solid third of the Republicans against him.

LeonDurham says

Let's see--Trump tweeted it.

Since when is calling a liar, a liar smug?

Just read through his tweets and the closest thing he said is "Put dinner to rest or start over".

This is all fun for the left, until someone gets pissed and removes statues of someone they like.