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TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Think Giuliani, long time Prosecutor and Mayor of NY for decades, is stupid enough to baldly lie on Television about a legal case?

We don't have to speculate. He did so. And then ADMITTED that he did.

It's a fact that he lied on Television about the legal case.


TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

He has nothing on Trump worthy of impeachment.

You have no clue about what Mueller does or doesn't have. For you to write that one here pretending you have any knowledge is hilarious.

"Think Giuliani, long time Prosecutor and Mayor of NY for decades, is stupid enough to baldly lie on Television about a legal case?"
The guy is gettin' old and he seems to have more than a few screws loose. Maybe he has dementia?

BTW... Big question for the forum. I couldn't figure out how to make a new post. But anyway, I used to be on this site 8-9 years ago then stopped as life goes on.

Now that I have come back, when did this site seemingly get taken over by right winger trolls? I means its outright ridiculous that every other post is some stupid crap from Breitbart or stormfront. That and what appears to be 5-6 resident trump trolls. IMHO this hurts this site: Whereas it could be more about its purpose- real estate and the housing bubble- at face value it looks more like a right wing hangout. That would of course drive away most anyone with some degree of intelligence. Its certainly not making me want to really stay, that's for sure.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Giuliani stated that Mueller's Findings are wholly exculpatory

Source??

Here's what I can find:

“I asked him specifically if they realized or acknowledged they didn't have the power to indict. Both under the Justice Department memo, which gives them their power, in essence confines their power, and under the Constitution,” Giuliani told “Fox & Friends.” “One of his assistants said they acknowledged they had to be bound by Justice Department policies. Then the next day or the day after, they clarified it for [Trump attorney] Jay Sekulow who was with me at the meeting that they didn't have the power to indict.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/17/trump-team-push-back-mueller-investigation-595119

BEST case scenario for America:
Trump finishes his four year stint, and then declines to run for a second citing ongoing legal issues.

That would make room for Rand Paul to run in 2020 and be elected as our first true populist President in decades.

He wouldn’t make the same mistakes as the great orange one. And he is ten times as committed to making America great and making government honest than Trump ever has been.

And oddly enough, if that happens, the Democrats are even more finished than they are now. They’ll have spent four years desperately trying to remove Trump, only to pave the way for an even more implacable foe to assume power.

LeonDurham says

We don't have to speculate. He did so. And then ADMITTED that he did.

It's a fact that he lied on Television about the legal case.

Trump and Giulliani are not trying to get the truth out. They are trying to fight their battle in the media. As such, they have gone on air with everything but the simple truth regarding Stormy Daniels for some reason.

Giulliani did not say that Mueller's findings were exculpatory, which implies that Mueller's interpretation of the facts are that Trump is innocent. Giulliani said that they have nothing but exculpatory information. That is Giulliani's interpretation of the documents that he has seen, which is quite different from Mueller's interpretation of the facts that he has. Notice how it is misinterpreted by Trump fans. That is by design.

Team Trump is trying to get the American Public to turn on Mueller, and they are betting on Giulliani's reputation for that move.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/16/giuliani-on-mueller-report-trump-team-is-ready-to-rip-it-apart.html

Here you go. Rudy saying that Mueller has nothing (which he’s going to know because the prosecution would have to release any evidence they have to the defense) and what he does have is exculpatory.

Beat me to it, thanks Quigley.

I also edited my former post to discuss one of Whitey Bulger's associates, who was exonerated after decades in prison, no thanks to Mueller.

Quigley says

That would make room for Rand Paul to run in 2020 and be elected as our first true populist President in decades.

He wouldn’t make the same mistakes as the great orange one. And he is ten times as committed to making America great and making government honest than Trump ever has been.

Rand is too soft on unfair trade, he'd allow the Chinese to have huge import barriers to our stuff, the Chinese to use Canada and Mexico to cheat, etc. because he's a Free Trade Extremist, even if it's not reciprocal.

BUT if Trump reforms NAFTA and makes better deals before his term is out, then I will have no problem voting for Rand.

And of course I would vote for Rand over just about any likely Dem Candidate.

"And oddly enough, if that happens, the Democrats are even more finished than they are now. They’ll have spent four years desperately trying to remove Trump, only to pave the way for an even more implacable foe to assume power."

And yet Democrats have quietly been winning special election after special election ever since the election. There are now numerous solidly red states where the GOP hasn't had to worry in decades and now they're being hotly contested. The Presiden't approval rating remains the lowest of any first term president in US history. Most polls have shown a steady, consistent path for the Democrats to re-take the house during the midterms and when they do they aren't going to simply let Trump slide and get away with it anymore.

The Democratic party is far from dead. Furthermore and as mentioned, today's upcoming youth overwhelmingly favor liberal policies. The GOP is in pretty big danger of losing its position pretty quickly.

"And of course I would vote for Rand over just about any likely Dem Candidate."

... and that is what is wrong with the USA. People who would rather vote for someone-anyone-no matter their qualifications- just because they have either and R or D in front of their name. And that is how we would up with a joke of a president.

BTW- STOP removing my responses, whomever you are

Quigley says

Here you go. Rudy saying that Mueller has nothing (which he’s going to know because the prosecution would have to release any evidence they have to the defense) and what he does have is exculpatory.

lol--that was Giuliani playing to the FOX news crowd. Again it's hilarious that you are putting all your stock in a Giuliani quote. Has he figured out if Trump repaid Cohen yet?

You think this guy knows everything... hahahaha

Quigley says

That would make room for Rand Paul to run in 2020 and be elected as our first true populist President in decades.

Rand Paul is about as far from populist as you can get. He is the OPPOSITE of populist.

Sanders is populist. Warren is populist. Trump's stump speeches were somewhat populist even if his actions have not been.

Rand Paul is NOT populist.

Quigley says

BEST case scenario for America:
Trump finishes his four year stint, and then declines to run for a second citing ongoing legal issues.

That would make room for Rand Paul to run in 2020 and be elected as our first true populist President in decades.

I reluctantly agree with the first part, but only if the Dems take back the house or senate to stop any further tax cut type shenanigans, as to Rand Paul he has not shown himself IMO to be a populist or really the libertarian he claims to be, and what has he accomplished? He, at times, talks a good game but generally follows the corporate repub. line when his vote is needed, he has a spine of jelly and is an opportunist.

edvard says

And yet Democrats have quietly been winning special election after special election ever since the election. There are now numerous solidly red states where the GOP hasn't had to worry in decades and now they're being hotly contested. The Presiden't approval rating remains the lowest of any first term president in US history. Most polls have shown a steady, consistent path for the Democrats to re-take the house during the midterms and when they do they aren't going to simply let Trump slide and get away with it anymore.

The Democrats haven't shown any great strides in special elections. They beat a perennial loser in Alabama, and only won in PA due to an empty seat created by a Republican Abortion Scandal, running the Blue Doggiest of Blue Dogs who is indistinguishable from Trump on Gun Control, Abortion "Control", and Trade Policy. They're 2 for 8.

State races don't matter since the Republicans are so dominant on the state level they can only really lose seats at this point. Losing by 5 pts in a special election empty-seat race are a poor comparison to Presidential Votes OR to regular elections against Incumbent Republicans.

If you expect the Hispanics to save you, remember Italians and Irish were once reliable die hard Democrat voters.

edvard says

The Democratic party is far from dead. Furthermore and as mentioned, today's upcoming youth overwhelmingly favor liberal policies. The GOP is in pretty big danger of losing its position pretty quickly.

That's not a big deal. So did the Boomers when they were young. In any case, the milennials are aging and their support for Dems is crashing:

The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll of 16,000 millennials found that support for Democrats among this generation dropped to 46% — a nine-point plunge from 55% just two years ago. Just 39% of white millennials now say they favor Democrats. It also found that more millennials say the GOP is a better steward of the economy.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/millennials-democrats-poll-economy/

Being exonerated of all fake charges is an impeachable offense. Impeach Trump!

"That's not a big deal. So did the Boomers when they were young. In any case, the milennials are aging and their support for Dems is crashing:"

But they aren't favoring the GOP. Not by a long shot. The fact of the matter is that both the millennial and post millennial generations lean strongly to the left. As in they aren't in favor of conventional, blue dog democrats but they are Especially not keen on the GOP. Something like upwards of 90% of the post millinial generation heavily dislikes trump for example.

The net net? Younger Americans lean more heavily to the left than any other generation that's come before them. That will have a significant impact on US politics moving forward.

Let me just put it this way:
The wet dream that the right has of turning America into something akin to a Handmaid's tail isn't going to happen. The country, despite Trump and today's GOP is still moving towards a more progressive and all-inclusive direction. Bigotry and racism that's been embraced by the right for years is extremely unpopular with today's youth and thus why the GOP is likely going to paint themselves into a corner.

Trump is the last hurrah of the brand of Nixon's strategy. If they do not change the party will go extinct within a generation.

Tim Aurora says

Obama was not spying on Trump. FBI was monitoring the traitors who were in constant contact with Russia. FBI ( Mueller) is still investigating the Trump team and that does not mean Trump is investigating himself

Would that be Hilalry and the DNC who paid the Russians 12 million dolalrs to get a fake dossier.

Democrats hate America.

lostand confused says

Would that be Hilalry and the DNC who paid the Russians 12 million dolalrs to get a fake dossier.

Nope. That is more lies.

Why do Trump supporters have to lie so much? Is the truth that damaging to them?

edvard says

And yet Democrats have quietly been winning special election after special election ever since the election

Um they’ve picked up a couple, out of like ten, and a Pennsylvania congress seat just flipped to red the other day that has been blue since it was created in the 60s. I think you have your facts exactly backward... which isn’t surprising as your logic seems reversed as well.

edvard says

today's upcoming youth overwhelmingly favor liberal policies.

The youth ALWAYS favor liberal policies! In any generation! Then they grow up a bit, have families, and realize that shit is stupid and naive. And the well documented trend of millennial leaving the Democrats (mostly to the ranks of independents) shows that this is happening as expected. The youth rarely show up to vote anyway, as they’re too busy either having fun or working odd hours. Also midterm elections are SO unsexy. Practically nobody even cares which dipshit gets elected to whatever office they’ve never heard of. A 20% turn-out is considered good! Only people who are responsible enough to vote in a thoroughly unsexy election will have a voice. The rest will put it off until we next have elections for supreme leader of the world (AKA POTUS).

edvard says

But they aren't favoring the GOP. Not by a long shot. The fact of the matter is that both the millennial and post millennial generations lean strongly to the left. As in they aren't in favor of conventional, blue dog democrats but they are Especially not keen on the GOP. Something like upwards of 90% of the post millinial generation heavily dislikes trump for example.

They aren't favoring the Dems either. As you expect of a generation entering it's 30s, they are now indy voters up for grabs by either party.

Blue Dogs are a minority in the Democratic Party mostly found only in Rustbelt states. The base is basically Technocrat Identitarian Neoliberal Globalists.

edvard says

The wet dream that the right has of turning America into something akin to a Handmaid's tail isn't going to happen. The country, despite Trump and today's GOP is still moving towards a more progressive and all-inclusive direction. Bigotry and racism that's been embraced by the right for years is extremely unpopular with today's youth and thus why the GOP is likely going to paint themselves into a corner.

Personally, I wouldn't mind some Handsmaid's tail.

It would be great if Democrats referenced something other than Handsmaid's Tale OR Harry Potter. They used to reference 1984, but then they got all PC/SJW.

"The youth ALWAYS favor liberal policies! In any generation! Then they grow up a bit, have families, and realize that shit is stupid and naive. And the well documented trend of millennial leaving the Democrats (mostly to the ranks of independents) shows that this is happening as expected."

Excuse me, but in most people's books racism, xenophobia, ignorance, and other traits of whats become of today's GOP is some "pretty stupid shit". The GOP is now in most people's minds a dead party walking. I'm a 40 year old man and I know hardly anyone near my age- and that also goes for most of the folks I know back home in North Carolina whom are Trump supporters.

Trump has done more to turn off at least a generation of future voters to the GOP than any other person in history. The GOP will likely pay a steep price for allowing the 3-ring circus to continue unabated and after the Democrats sweep the house and senate in a few months that will be it for the GOP.

You and others are on the wrong side of history. You guys represent the hate my Grandfathers fought against in WW2. Rest assured that those of us who are today's true patriots will make sure Trump is the last GOP president you guys will ever get unless that party changes its tune and stops being the party of the weak minded and hateful.

"Personally, I wouldn't mind some Handsmaid's tail."
Oh, so do please tell us all exactly what you like about that? Next thing you know you'll be telling us you wouldn't mind a lil' repressive fascism. here and there. Besides- Trump and the pieces of trash he has chosen to run things is pretty much right up there when it comes to a freak horror show.

But I digress: Your party is extremely unpopular with both of those generations. You would be grossly mistaken if you were to think they're rushing to the gates to vote for Trump. They're simply not pleased that the current Democratic party isn't going far enough and I would tend to agree. There is a very real desire among many in those generations who are looking for something closer to FDR-style liberal politics and policies, which has been missing from this country since the 1960's and the last of the new deal.

The overall result of Trump is that the right has gone more to the extreme right and the left is going to the extreme left. Put two and two together: The GOP and conservative movement is losing people. The overwhelming majority of millinial and post millinials lean very heavily to the right. Those two generations are huge. The outcome is that the country is very likely heading further to the left within the next 5-10 years as they become a dominating force.

edvard says

Oh, so do please tell us all exactly what you like about that? Next thing you know you'll be telling us you wouldn't mind a lil' repressive fascism. here and there. Besides- Trump and the pieces of trash he has chosen to run things is pretty much right up there when it comes to a freak horror show.

Most of Trump's policies could be spoken by Eisenhower or Truman. Or for that matter Nancy Pelosi, Bill Clinton, or Diane Feinstein of the late 80s/early 90s.

edvard says

But I digress: Your party is extremely unpopular with both of those generations. You would be grossly mistaken if you were to think they're rushing to the gates to vote for Trump. They're simply not pleased that the current Democratic party isn't going far enough and I would tend to agree. There is a very real desire among many in those generations who are looking for something closer to FDR-style liberal politics and policies, which has been missing from this country since the 1960's and the last of the new deal.

A point nobody is making.

What we do see, again, is Millennials' votes are exhibiting similar trends to other generations, declining support for liberals as they age.

You should also not expect Hispanics to be so pro-Democrat based on experience with other ethnic groups and due to huge amounts of intermarriage between Whites and Hispanics.

Keep banging away at Whiteness and Toxic Masculinity and see how far you get. Another thing you could do, to insure victory? Increase the tempo of the criticism of White Married Women for not being supportive enough of POCs. That will really help going forward.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

What we do see, again, is Millennials' votes are exhibiting similar trends to other generations, declining support for liberals as they age.

I told Edvard earlier this week that is pretty dumb relying on the Young and Stupid as a major voting block. As you point out, many of the Young and Stupid grow up and get a clue.

Hey- thanks for posting the chart that helps prove my point: Your party is incredibly unpopular with millinials as seen by the chart.
And yes- I suspect that Hispanics aren't going to be voting for the orange bigot who called them rapists at the start of his campaign.

History shall not be kind to you guys. All that Trump has done for you is to rip the ugly cover off of what conservatives actually think and what was shown is revolting and disgusting.

The majority of us who do not support Trump will show just exactly what we think of you brainwashed heathens in a few short months and when its over don't whine and say that you wern't warned.

"I told Edvard earlier this week that is pretty dumb relying on the Young and Stupid as a major voting block"

So far all you've mentioned to me is unbelievably ignorant and misguided. I feel sorry for you.

edvard says

Hey- thanks for posting the chart that helps prove my point: Your party is incredibly unpopular with millinials as seen by the chart.

Really, a drop below 50% for endorsing a generic Democrat over a generic Republican, with the biggest drops Males and Whites, is proving your point?

It's proving mine.

edvard says

The majority of us who do not support Trump will show just exactly what we think of you brainwashed heathens in a few short months and when its over don't whine and say that you wern't warned.

The chart does not show a majority of millennials for either party.

You might find this one interesting, North Carolina:

"Really, a drop below 50% for endorsing a generic Democrat over a generic Republican, with the biggest drops Males and Whites, is proving your point?"

Your chart shows only ONE demographic- white males, which if you haven't been paying attention are no longer really the majority in this country anymore. All other demographics do not support Trump.

Changing the subject and again I ask- Like how in the hell did this site turn into a little den of right wingers? Either way you guys are seemingly only talking to yourselves. In other words its a big echo chamber and that's likely giving you a really false sense of security as to whats happening in the real world. That's merely setting yourselves up for disappointment when all of the loonie articles you've posted and the high-fives you give one another for posting obnoxious horse manure turns out to be the laughable joke it is.

"Personally, I wouldn't mind some Handsmaid's tail."
Oh, so do please tell us all exactly what you like about that?

It seems you missed his joke. You wrote "tail" when you meant "tale." Since "getting tail" is a well known euphemism for sex, his phrase "Personally, I wouldn't mind some Handsmaid's tail" is a play on your misspelled word. That is, he would like to bang the Handmaid. And when it comes to "Handmaid's Tail," I suppose some are getting more "hand" than "tail."

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

not expect Hispanics to be so pro-Democrat based on experience with other ethnic groups and due to huge amounts of intermarriage between Whites and Hispanics.

Fuck, everyone is marrying inter racially these days! Leftists like edvard probably never would even consider getting hitched to a woman who isn’t lily white. I have a friend from college who is a smart guy but went from engineering school to law school and went full retard along the way. Now he’s constantly posting Leftist shit and talking about how racist everyone is who disagrees with him. Dude is lily white. His wife is even whiter. Their kids are practically translucent. Put your life where your mouth is, Buddy!

I did.

edvard says

Your chart shows only ONE demographic- white males, which if you haven't been paying attention are no longer really the majority in this country anymore. All other demographics do not support Trump.

It shows WHITES and MALES, separately.

Quigley says

Fuck, everyone is marrying inter racially these days! Leftists like edvard probably never would even consider getting hitched to a woman who isn’t lily white. I have a friend from college who is a smart guy but went from engineering school to law school and went full retard along the way. Now he’s constantly posting Leftist shit and talking about how racist everyone is who disagrees with him. Dude is lily white. His wife is even whiter. Their kids are practically translucent. Put your life where your mouth is, Buddy!

Yep, my wife is Hispanic. Unfortunately, a graduate of a small liberal arts college. But babies are changing her perception of reality.

HeadSet says

"Personally, I wouldn't mind some Handsmaid's tail."
Oh, so do please tell us all exactly what you like about that?

It seems you missed his joke. You wrote "tail" when you meant "tale." Since "getting tail" is a well known euphemism for sex, his phrase "Personally, I wouldn't mind some Handsmaid's tail" is a play on your misspelled word. That is, he would like to bang the Handmaid. And when it comes to "Handmaid's Tail," I suppose some are getting more "hand" than "tail."

Based on this guy’s complete lack of humor, I will venture to say he’s both white collar and probably a lawyer or social worker or maybe HR. Definitely not anyone messing with science, engineering, and I’d bet a million bucks he isn’t a tradesman. Blue collar people know how to joke around without getting our jock straps in a knot. The kind of shit we flip each other daily would give the average HR rep a seizure. But lawyers are the worst for having zero sense of humor.

rdm says

It is a crime to conspire with agents of a foreign government to influence an election.

Are you saying, "Lock her up?"

"The lobby firm created by both Tony and John Podesta in 1988 receives $140,000 a month from the Saudi government, a government that beheads nonviolent dissidents, uses torture to extract forced confessions, doesn't allow women to drive, and bombs schools, hospitals and residential neighborhoods in neighboring Yemen.

The Podesta Group's March 2016 filing, required under the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938, shows that Tony Podesta himself oversees the Saudi account. At the same time, Tony Podesta is also a top campaign contributor and bundler for Hillary Clinton. So while one brother runs the campaign, the other brother funds it with earnings that come, in part, from the Saudis.
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The brothers seem to have no problem mixing their roles into the same pot. Tony Podesta held a Clinton campaign fundraiser at his home featuring gourmet Italian food cooked by himself and his brother, the campaign chairman. The fundraiser, by the way, came just days after Tony Podesta filed his Saudi contract with the Justice Department, a contract that included an initial "project fee" payment of $200,000."

edvard says

Bigotry and racism that's been embraced by the right

Source? Or just making shit up. The D's are far more racist today than the R's. That's just a fact.

CBOEtrader says

The D's are far more racist today than the R's. That's just a fact.

So let's see the facts to back up the claim.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2016/09/07/health/millennials-conservative-generations/index.html

@CBOEtrader.

See the initials "CNN" in your link so not worth opening, CNN is a well known fake news source.

Question ? How come Turmp supporters like to cite CNN when it's convenient but other times it's fake news ? How does that work ?

Kakistocracy says

Question ?

I'm happy to teach you how to use the internet. In the example above, I used CNN to quote the study suggesting millennials are more conservative than recent generations. The fact quoted is easily verifiable. It is neither a biased political perspective or a purposeful misinterpretation, but rather a verifiable fact. When quoting a verifiable fact, I find it useful to use CNN so libtards will actually read the source. In your case, you refuse regardless of the source. Sorry, I can't help this level of TDS.