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marcus says

right wing reactionary pc most frightening.

If you are talking about identity politics, the comparatively tiny right wing movement is currently just a reaction to the left. If it ever gained any power it would be appropriate to fear it. As is, the radical left is in control of universities and K-HS education, social media, and cult of diversity workplace HR practices. I agree w your your hero, Dr Peterson, today's left is tyrannical and needs to be stopped ASAP. Good news, is that people like Dr Peterson are starting to have more traction and genuine attention than CNN. I think (pray) we are at the tipping point and our society doesnt fall to the level of the UK (or much worse).

marcus says

I meant that it is here, becasue even the democrats for the most part don't like to see it go too far.

Reasonable Democrats dont. Reasonable democrats also dont stand up to their radical left ANYWHERE NEAR as well as conservatives. As your hero Dr Peterson likes to point out, the right wing does a FAR better job of drawing a line between acceptable and non-acceptable behavior. Some tiny fraction of sociopaths will always cross that line. W/o that line though, any society could potentially slip into a nazi/soviet hell. Please remember that the Nazis needed millions of PC german virtue signals supporting their initial oppression to initiate the ultimate agenda. Today the left is righteously cheering the oppression of wrongthinkers. Its Weimar Germany scary. Just ask your hero Dr Peterson

Is losing track of 1500 toddlers acceptable behavior? I don't recall any conservatives standing up to that?

Is overt lying acceptable behavior? Don't recall conservatives standing up for truth?

CBOEtrader says

If it ever gained any power it would be appropriate to fear it.

What exactly do you think Brietbart and the election of Donald Trump represents ?

LeonDurham says

Don't recall conservatives standing up for truth?

Of course not. Lies are useful, and somehow okay, as long as it's supposedly in the name of MAGA. Which means very different things to different people.

Trump's lies are just the price we pay right ? And CBOE is worried about authoritarian left wing getting out of control ? I guess authoritarian right wing (kill the press !! Fake news!!) is one way to put down the scary libruls. Yeah, that's okay becasue the libruls think it's okay to do their witch hunt investigations. Just ask Sean Hannity. He'll break it down for you.

marcus says

authoritarian right wing (kill the press !! Fake news!!

No. Disagreeing w a business is not authoritarian. Firing James Damore for wrongthink is authoritarian. Censoring internet wrongthink w algorithms is authoritarian.

Pretending that Trump is an extremist is a large part of the left's problem. Trump is JFK. He has a similar platform to B Clinton, and even uses the same make america great again slogan.

CBOEtrader says

Censoring internet wrongthink w algorithms is authoritarian.

I can only guess what this means. I'm guessing it's some Brietbart or fox story about how evil google or amazon is.

CBOEtrader says

Pretending that Trump is an extremist is a large part of the left's problem. Trump is JFK.

Wow. Just wow, that's all I can say.

Wow !!

CBOEtrader says

Pretending that Trump is an extremist is a large part of the left's problem

Look at his record. He's passed the worst tax bill in history. He's killed all regulation--financial, environmental, etc. And of course, his disregard for facts and truth is legendary.

LeonDurham says

CBOEtrader says

Pretending that Trump is an extremist is a large part of the left's problem

Look at his record. He's passed the worst tax bill in history. He's killed all regulation--financial, environmental, etc. And of course, his disregard for facts and truth is legendary.

By worst tax bill, of course you mean a bill that let’s people keep more of their own money. What a concept.

LeonDurham says

He's killed all regulation--financial, environmental, etc.

All of the regulation is now gone! All laws too! There is nothing but Gatling that can keep you safe, and nothing but yams and FACE! for dinner!

PrivilegedtobeWhite says

By worst tax bill, of course you mean a bill that let’s people keep more of their own money. What a concept.

No, I mean one that borrows trillions of dollars from hardworking Americans and gives it to the 1%. That's the worst tax bill.

Quigley says

All of the regulation is now gone! All laws too! There is nothing but Gatling that can keep you safe, and nothing but yams and FACE! for dinner!

On the contrary--he's arming the police state back up. Separating 18 month olds from their mothers and then losing them.

This thread has so many truths scratched but so much hyperbole!

On Trump: This guy is the circus clown. The polity that is worked into a foaming frenzy in either fear or reverence of the clown are missing the other three rings of the circus, where the real action is going on. The tax bill? That was the work of the elephants in ring two. Financial, environmental, labor regulations being scrapped? That show was going on well before the clown rode in on his unicycle. And to suggest that Trump is the new JFK? Intellectually, I don't think Trump can reach the steering wheel, let alone the pedals, so I wouldn't worry about it either way. Bush Jr. only reached the wheel sometimes because Cheney let him sit on his lap while he drove. In other words, I don't think our current executive branch commands a lot of power at present. Look to the other branches and especially forces outside the federal government for the big stories of change happening today.

On the Authoritarian Left: Even though there are occasional shocking stories of Postmodernist Social Marxists running amok on some university campuses, or workplaces where overzealous human resources departments have infantilized ordinary working adults and instituted Newspeak policies, the real threat of the Authoritarian Left is its cannibalism of the Left itself.

This threat can be experienced, for example, at a dinner party with liberal or left-leaning guests. Ten years ago, topics discussed around this dinner table would cover a wide range, and many varied opinions would be proffered and discussed. This same crowd having the same dinner party today would cover just as many topics, but only one opinion would be acceptable for each. Any opinions, even liberal ones, outside of this new, shrunken Overton Window would be met with silence, dirty looks, or worse by the other participants.

Maybe you're pleased that many women are speaking out about past sexual abuse lately, but worry that many of the claims are baseless or are made by grievance artists seeking to make a buck or even that it smells a bit like McCarthyism sometimes. Mention this subtlety of opinion around the dinner table? Silence and dirty looks.

Maybe you're appalled by children shooting each other in schools or religious yahoos shooting gay people in a nightclub and think that maybe the community or the law ought to be paying more attention, but worry that suggestions to outright scrap the 2nd Amendment perhaps set a dangerous precedent and ought to be reconsidered. Mention this around the dinner table? Heresy! Child murderer!

Maybe you look at Europe, where you enjoyed travels in the past, and feel sadness that London now has a higher murder rate than NYC, and Sweden has a rape rate on par with South Africa, and opine that maybe the European Union needs to make some adjustments to how it is handling immigration and integration lately. You are basically Hitler!

These are subtle, left-leaning viewpoints that are now completely off the table of the Left. So, you see, the Authoritarian Left's biggest accomplishment so far is to reduce the feast of ideas for liberals of all stripes to the most narrow and paltry options possible. This is why so many free-thinking liberals are entertaining the idea of trying some different dinner parties these days. This is the Left's loss, because those are the smartest people who were the source of dynamic ideas for decades.

cmdrdataleak says

These are subtle, left-leaning viewpoints that are now completely off the table of the Left. So, you see, the Authoritarian Left's biggest accomplishment so far is to reduce the feast of ideas for liberals of all stripes to the most narrow and paltry options possible

You make some good points with your instances of "Maybe....." But I'm not sure it's as bad as you say. IT's always been awkward to play devils advocate with liberals at a dinner party. Maybe it's worse now for various reasons. But I don't see why there can't be some strong voices in leader roles of the left, that advocate seeing both sides of many issues. That is, things should evolve for the simple reason that smart people will make the case that otherwise we will get a continuation of the Trump effect.

An interesting debate, challenging whether political correctness serves the lefts purpose (actually they don't drill down on that enough).

www.youtube.com/embed/GxYimeaoea0

Political correctness is attempt to end the debate on all debatable subjects permanently. It’s a totalitarian philosophy, and deserves no more of our respect than Hitler or Pol Pot.

LeonDurham says

Look at his record.

Passing a tax Bill and eliminating wasteful regulations DOES NOT make him an extremist. That makes him a good President. If he were to say 25% of the country is "deplorable" and worthy of scorn, that would make him an extremist. Trump is for all Americans, and has been doing a pretty decent job.

CBOEtrader says

Passing a tax Bill and eliminating wasteful regulations DOES NOT make him an extremist. That makes him a good President. If he were to say 25% of the country is "deplorable" and worthy of scorn, that would make him an extremist. Trump is for all Americans, and has been doing a pretty decent job.

lol--passing the shiburger tax bill he passed does. And he's not eliminating wasteful regulations--he's eliminating the ones that save people's lives. And protect folks from fraud and Big Banks/Wall St. deception.

CBOEtrader says

If he were to say 25% of the country is "deplorable" and worthy of scorn

I think it shouldn't be that hard to forgive people for placing such a high value on certain forms of human behavior, especially honesty that they can't comprehend how any voters could tolerate Trump. And that they thus assume people would have to be deplorable in order to be willing to tolerate such behavior. Let's face it, there are deplorable people out there that hate themselves and hate life who wanted to give Trump a try only becasue he offended the sensibilities of the so called "elite."

There are people that not only tolerate lies, but that think of lies as useful tools, that is that see lying even to themselves as a perfectly acceptable and healthy way to be in the world. If you can accept that some people with good morality and values, believe the opposite of this, then you should be able to accept (and forgive) why some people would look down on people who could justify voting for Trump. I'm not saying they were right. I'm only saying that a decent person should be willing to forgive people who are disgusted by Trump to such a degree that they couldn't help but judge some of the Trump voters as deplorable.

I guess people that can't forgive this, are the same people that will deny forever that Trump wanted the racist vote and wasn't as subtle about it as some of his predecessors on the right have been.

www.youtube.com/embed/e9geYl9J_Mc

marcus says

CBOEtrader says

If it ever gained any power it would be appropriate to fear it.

What exactly do you think Brietbart and the election of Donald Trump represents ?

Pushback from the center. None of Trump's policies would have been considered anything but centrist not long ago. Blowback against the radical agenda of unlimited immigration despite weak GDP growth, one sided trade and the domination and the obsession with identity politics and .03% of the populations urination locations.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

None of Trump's policies would have been considered anything but centrist not long ago

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Giving trillions to the top 1% is centrist?

LeonDurham says

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

None of Trump's policies would have been considered anything but centrist not long ago

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Giving trillions to the top 1% is centrist?

Kennedy cut taxes. So did dems and Reagan in the 80s.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Kennedy cut taxes

THat was when you could legitimately argue that cutting taxes would be revenue neutral due to rates being excessively high. Very few people think the "voodoo" is going to work at this point.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Kennedy cut taxes. So did dems and Reagan in the 80s.

And this is why snake oil salesman like Trump can con so many, many people. Logic like this. If cutting taxes was good 50 years ago, it must always be good, right?

Unfortunately, reality isn't this simple--except to Trumpkins.