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2018 Apr 29, 1:35pm 13,158 views 61 comments
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LeonDurham
2018 Jul 30, 10:35am
Hassan_Rouhani says
Because it's 150 miles.
How come it's not "ridiculously high and unsupportable" for Israel? It's not like they are more affluent as a country than US.
Because it's 150 miles.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 30, 10:44am
MrMagic
2018 Jul 30, 10:44am
LeonDurham says
These countries too?
Crap, another Liberal narrative destroyed..
Hassan_Rouhani saysHow come it's not "ridiculously high and unsupportable" for Israel? It's not like they are more affluent as a country than US.
Because it's 150 miles.
These countries too?
Crap, another Liberal narrative destroyed..
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 30, 10:46am
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 30, 10:46am
Aphroman says
Israel gets about $3.5B in aid from US. This is about 1% of their GDP. Even if US completely withdraws the aid I seriously doubt it will cause Israel to abandon their defensive effort and open their borders to the invading hordes.
Hassan_Rouhani saysLeonDurham saysHassan_Rouhani saysSo? We are also much much bigger country with much much bigger population.
So the cost would be ridiculously high and unsupportable. And a very poor way to spend our wealth.
How come it's not "ridiculously high and unsupportable" for Israel? It'snot like they are more affluent as a country than US.
Israel relies on massive subsidies and support from easily manipulated “Americans”.
Stop giving handouts to Israel then you could use that money to prove that the border wall fails to achieve anything Chumpkins claim it will
Israel gets about $3.5B in aid from US. This is about 1% of their GDP. Even if US completely withdraws the aid I seriously doubt it will cause Israel to abandon their defensive effort and open their borders to the invading hordes.
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socal2
2018 Jul 30, 10:58am
LeonDurham says
Many of those 150 miles are in dense built up neighborhoods with Islamist jihadis digging tunnels and firing rockets over the border - which I would argue is harder to guard than the US Southern Border which is primarily desert and open space.
Because it's 150 miles.
Many of those 150 miles are in dense built up neighborhoods with Islamist jihadis digging tunnels and firing rockets over the border - which I would argue is harder to guard than the US Southern Border which is primarily desert and open space.
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LeonDurham
2018 Jul 30, 11:00am
socal2 says
I would take that argument. Once an illegal cuts a hole in the fence, which would be easier to fix?
Many of those 150 miles are in dense built up neighborhoods with Islamist jihadis digging tunnels and firing rockets over the border - which I would argue is harder to guard than the US Southern Border which is primarily desert and open space.
I would take that argument. Once an illegal cuts a hole in the fence, which would be easier to fix?
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socal2
2018 Jul 30, 11:02am
Aphroman says
That is the price we pay to prevent Israel from ending up like the rest of the of the non-Muslim religious minorities in the Middle East who have already been executed, ethnically cleansed or sold into sexual slavery.
That’s the direct aid to those Failed Loser welfare queens
That is the price we pay to prevent Israel from ending up like the rest of the of the non-Muslim religious minorities in the Middle East who have already been executed, ethnically cleansed or sold into sexual slavery.
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bob2356
2018 Jul 30, 11:19am
MrMagic says
Overstayers on legal visa's are 2/3's of illegals. How is the wall going to stop them? Crap another trumpkin narrative destroyed.
Aphroman says
Yep all 10k MS-13 members out of 10+ million illegals. MS-13 originated in the US and moved out to other countries, not the other way around.
Crap, another Liberal narrative destroyed..
Overstayers on legal visa's are 2/3's of illegals. How is the wall going to stop them? Crap another trumpkin narrative destroyed.
Aphroman says
MS-13 is so small and insignificant they may as well not even exist.
Yet Chumpkins keep pretending there’s a there, there
Yep all 10k MS-13 members out of 10+ million illegals. MS-13 originated in the US and moved out to other countries, not the other way around.
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LeonDurham
2018 Jul 30, 11:33am
It's funny--the same folks who complain that government is a bunch of idiots who can't be trusted to do anything suddenly want them to build the largest public works project in history.
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socal2
2018 Jul 30, 11:52am
Aphroman says
Talk about effective propaganda!
Building a fence is a bigger project and more complicated than the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956?
How about California's high speed rail project? Latest estimates are putting that at $77 billion while the border wall is only $21 billion.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-much-will-trumps-border-wall-cost/
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/12/californias-77-billion-high-speed-rail-project-is-in-trouble.html
LeonDurham saysIt's funny--the same folks who complain that government is a bunch of idiots who can't be trusted to do anything suddenly want them to build the largest public works project in history.
Proof that propaganda is very effective
Talk about effective propaganda!
Building a fence is a bigger project and more complicated than the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956?
How about California's high speed rail project? Latest estimates are putting that at $77 billion while the border wall is only $21 billion.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-much-will-trumps-border-wall-cost/
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/12/californias-77-billion-high-speed-rail-project-is-in-trouble.html
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Onvacation
2018 Jul 30, 11:55am
Onvacation
2018 Jul 30, 11:55am
LeonDurham says
It IS in the purview of the government to protect the border. It's all that entitlement crap that perpetuates victimhood and poverty that we have a problem with.
It's funny--the same folks who complain that government is a bunch of idiots who can't be trusted to do anything suddenly want them to build the largest public works project in history.
It IS in the purview of the government to protect the border. It's all that entitlement crap that perpetuates victimhood and poverty that we have a problem with.
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Tenpoundbass
2018 Jul 30, 11:57am
Tenpoundbass
2018 Jul 30, 11:57am
When you have a wall, border or a guarded premeter.
Then you take intruders and interlopers more seriously.
The wall is less about actually keeping people out, as it is a symbol what awaits those who breech it.
Then you take intruders and interlopers more seriously.
The wall is less about actually keeping people out, as it is a symbol what awaits those who breech it.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 30, 12:51pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 30, 12:51pm
LeonDurham says
Interesting how the narrative changes when the first narrative about walls not working, with facts, gets destroyed.
Why is that?
It's funny--the same folks who complain that government is a bunch of idiots who can't be trusted to do anything suddenly want them to build the largest public works project in history.
Interesting how the narrative changes when the first narrative about walls not working, with facts, gets destroyed.
Why is that?
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LeonDurham
2018 Jul 30, 12:55pm
MrMagic says
Nothing got changed. There are no similar walls to the one the US wants to build that have been proven to work. period. It's like building a dam across the widest part of the Amazon river--you argue that a Dam worked on a creek in Michigan so therefore this Dam spanning the widest part of the Amazon also will work.
Interesting how the narrative changes when the first narrative about walls not working, with facts, gets destroyed.
Why is that?
Nothing got changed. There are no similar walls to the one the US wants to build that have been proven to work. period. It's like building a dam across the widest part of the Amazon river--you argue that a Dam worked on a creek in Michigan so therefore this Dam spanning the widest part of the Amazon also will work.
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bob2356
2018 Jul 30, 1:10pm
zzyzzx says
Arresting employers would be cheapest. When are the ICE raids on big corporations and executive perp walks starting?
CovfefeButDeadly saysWhat is the better solution?
Land mines at the border. Cheaper too.
Arresting employers would be cheapest. When are the ICE raids on big corporations and executive perp walks starting?
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socal2
2018 Jul 30, 1:24pm
bob2356 says
We can't even arrest Democrat politicians that openly go against Federal immigration law with their goofy sanctuary city policies.
Once we get more Democrats out of Congress, we can get more serious about enforcement. Until then Bob - YOUR party is the biggest obstacle.
"White House Pulling Back on E-Verify to Get Democratic Votes"
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/white-house-pulling-back-on-e-verify-to-get-democratic-votes
Arresting employers would be cheapest. When are the ICE raids on big corporations and executive perp walks starting?
We can't even arrest Democrat politicians that openly go against Federal immigration law with their goofy sanctuary city policies.
Once we get more Democrats out of Congress, we can get more serious about enforcement. Until then Bob - YOUR party is the biggest obstacle.
"White House Pulling Back on E-Verify to Get Democratic Votes"
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/white-house-pulling-back-on-e-verify-to-get-democratic-votes
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 30, 1:38pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 30, 1:38pm
LeonDurham says
Is that a "Truth by Proclamation", because you certainly didn't provide a shred of evidence to support it.
Seems to work in these countries..
MrMagic says
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_barrier
Those pesky facts...
MrMagic says
Interesting how the narrative changes when the first narrative about walls not working, with facts, gets destroyed.
Why is that?
Nothing got changed. There are no similar walls to the one the US wants to build that have been proven to work. period.
Is that a "Truth by Proclamation", because you certainly didn't provide a shred of evidence to support it.
Seems to work in these countries..
MrMagic says
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_barrier
Those pesky facts...
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 30, 1:46pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 30, 1:46pm
LeonDurham says
LeonDurham says
Does under construction = works? OK then.
LeonDurham says
All strawman arguments, all the time.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Jul 30, 2:38pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Jul 30, 2:38pm
MrMagic says
This list excludes the massive wall on the Jordan-Syrian border, hundreds of miles through mostly absolute desert, and built with $$$ from the Obama Era.
Even has a pedestrian radar and sound sensors that detect vehicle and foot traffic.
https://news.vice.com/article/the-great-wall-of-jordan-how-the-us-wants-to-keep-the-islamic-state-out
This list excludes the massive wall on the Jordan-Syrian border, hundreds of miles through mostly absolute desert, and built with $$$ from the Obama Era.
Even has a pedestrian radar and sound sensors that detect vehicle and foot traffic.
https://news.vice.com/article/the-great-wall-of-jordan-how-the-us-wants-to-keep-the-islamic-state-out
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bob2356
2018 Jul 31, 12:10am
socal2 says
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no specific federal statute that sanctuary cities violate no matter how much trump froths at the mouth about it. I know it's tough to accept but people have to violate a law to be arrested even democrats under trump.
My party is independent and I usually vote R. Not trump R though. The justice department which is who would be going after employers is under the executive branch which is the branch trump is in charge of. I'm surprised you don't know that. The laws against hiring illegals are on the books already. There is nothing preventing enforcement, least of all the democrats..
Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa. If they had no job they would leave also. Duh.
We can't even arrest Democrat politicians that openly go against Federal immigration law with their goofy sanctuary city policies.
Once we get more Democrats out of Congress, we can get more serious about enforcement. Until then Bob - YOUR party is the biggest obstacle.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no specific federal statute that sanctuary cities violate no matter how much trump froths at the mouth about it. I know it's tough to accept but people have to violate a law to be arrested even democrats under trump.
My party is independent and I usually vote R. Not trump R though. The justice department which is who would be going after employers is under the executive branch which is the branch trump is in charge of. I'm surprised you don't know that. The laws against hiring illegals are on the books already. There is nothing preventing enforcement, least of all the democrats..
Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa. If they had no job they would leave also. Duh.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 31, 7:58am
MrMagic
2018 Jul 31, 7:58am
bob2356 says
Are they MS13 members and drug mules or dealers too?
Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa.
Are they MS13 members and drug mules or dealers too?
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Tenpoundbass
2018 Jul 31, 8:55am
Tenpoundbass
2018 Jul 31, 8:55am
bob2356 says
I remember when Bush Sr. was in office our neighbor was an Israeli who owned a Flee Market schmatha business. He had a few friends from Israel come over to help him. They came on a visitors Visa. Our government didn't fuck over Americans back then with Foreign Work visas to put Americans out of work. They just off shored the work.
Barazani was a cool guy, likable but after about 6 months past his Visa expiration. The INS(the old ICE) first started sending letters, then came looking for him. One Day Doran came home from the Flea Market and said Barazani was nabbed at work and deported.
Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa. If they had no job they would leave also. Duh.
I remember when Bush Sr. was in office our neighbor was an Israeli who owned a Flee Market schmatha business. He had a few friends from Israel come over to help him. They came on a visitors Visa. Our government didn't fuck over Americans back then with Foreign Work visas to put Americans out of work. They just off shored the work.
Barazani was a cool guy, likable but after about 6 months past his Visa expiration. The INS(the old ICE) first started sending letters, then came looking for him. One Day Doran came home from the Flea Market and said Barazani was nabbed at work and deported.
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Y
2018 Jul 31, 8:56am
Y
2018 Jul 31, 8:56am
It'll keep them in for prosecutorial purposes...
bob2356 says
bob2356 says
Still haven[t heard anyone say what the wall will do about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa.
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Tenpoundbass
2018 Jul 31, 8:58am
Tenpoundbass
2018 Jul 31, 8:58am
Also remember that Jerry Seinfeld episode where Apu was deported? Before Bush Jr. and especially Obama we used to deport illegal aliens.
I remember when Chrome detention center in Miami was used to house illegal aliens that got pulled over by the police in traffic. If it was determined they were here illegally they would get hauled off to Chrome and deported about a month later.
I remember when Chrome detention center in Miami was used to house illegal aliens that got pulled over by the police in traffic. If it was determined they were here illegally they would get hauled off to Chrome and deported about a month later.
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Goran_K
2018 Jul 31, 3:30pm
Goran_K
2018 Jul 31, 3:30pm
The wall would save us billions in healthcare costs and education costs. It would....pay for itself.
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ForcedTQ
2018 Jul 31, 5:03pm
Goran_K says
And think of the numbers in housing that might become available. Granted it's not prime choice, but rent $ for the bottom 1/3rd might become more affordable again....
Yeah, you will loose your maid, gardener, carpenter, plumber / handyman. If they're illegally here. Get over it, do it yourself or pay for it.
The wall would save us billions in healthcare costs and education costs. It would....pay for itself.
And think of the numbers in housing that might become available. Granted it's not prime choice, but rent $ for the bottom 1/3rd might become more affordable again....
Yeah, you will loose your maid, gardener, carpenter, plumber / handyman. If they're illegally here. Get over it, do it yourself or pay for it.
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FortWayne
2018 Jul 31, 5:13pm
FortWayne
2018 Jul 31, 5:13pm
Less cheap labor for left to hire, while replacing Americans. That’s the reason, which left will forever deny.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Jul 31, 5:18pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Jul 31, 5:18pm
ForcedTQ says
It'll be great for soyboys to get a copy of Time Life Home Repair.
"Clogged Sink. This is Draino."
"OMG, that sooooo looks like a dangerous chemical."
"Pour it down the sink."
"Don't I need a gas mask?"
Yeah, you will loose your maid, gardener, carpenter, plumber / handyman. If they're illegally here. Get over it, do it yourself or pay for it.
It'll be great for soyboys to get a copy of Time Life Home Repair.
"Clogged Sink. This is Draino."
"OMG, that sooooo looks like a dangerous chemical."
"Pour it down the sink."
"Don't I need a gas mask?"
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 31, 5:32pm
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 31, 5:32pm
bob2356 says
Where is this number coming from?
about the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa
Where is this number coming from?
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 31, 6:02pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 31, 6:02pm
Hassan_Rouhani says
From his.... oh, nevermind...
Same place all his non-sourced and non linked information comes from.
bob2356 saysabout the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa
Where is this number coming from?
From his.... oh, nevermind...
Same place all his non-sourced and non linked information comes from.
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BayArea
2018 Jul 31, 7:16pm
BayArea
2018 Jul 31, 7:16pm
I find that wall opposers typically fall into one of two categories:
a.) They plain and simple don’t believe there should be borders. They believe that people should’ve able to roam freely anytime anyplace.
b.) They’ve seen one too many liberal late night talk shows that say that a wall won’t keep everyone out. And because it won’t keep everyone out, it would be a failure.
a.) They plain and simple don’t believe there should be borders. They believe that people should’ve able to roam freely anytime anyplace.
b.) They’ve seen one too many liberal late night talk shows that say that a wall won’t keep everyone out. And because it won’t keep everyone out, it would be a failure.
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RWSGFY
2018 Jul 31, 9:32pm
RWSGFY
2018 Jul 31, 9:32pm
MrMagic says
Does sun ever shine there?
Hassan_Rouhani saysbob2356 saysabout the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa
Where is this number coming from?
From his.... oh, nevermind...
Same place all his non-sourced and non linked information comes from.
Does sun ever shine there?
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rdm
2018 Jul 31, 9:45pm
Goran_K says
Amigo, no worries as to paying for "The Wall". Mexico will pay because no bullshit Trump said so, about 50 times and he never ever fibbs. Believe me.
The wall would save us billions in healthcare costs and education costs. It would....pay for itself
Amigo, no worries as to paying for "The Wall". Mexico will pay because no bullshit Trump said so, about 50 times and he never ever fibbs. Believe me.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 31, 9:48pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 31, 9:48pm
Its racist! That's the lefts summary of every position.
Aka, not having a position.
Aka, not having a position.
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bob2356
2018 Jul 31, 9:49pm
MrMagic says
Internet searches still doesn't work on your computer? You really should have that fixed.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/visa-overstays-outnumber-illegal-border-crossings-trend-expected-continue-n730216
https://cis.org/Arthur/Half-Illegal-Population-Are-Overstays
https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/
There are lots more. I don't feel a need to link or source something that can be looked up in 2 seconds by anyone with an above room temperature IQ. Maybe I should revise that policy to accommodate the lowest common denominator on patnet.
So the question stands, what will the wall do for overstayers? Crickets chirping as always.
Hassan_Rouhani saysbob2356 saysabout the 2/3's of illegals that just overstayed their perfectly legal visa
Where is this number coming from?
From his.... oh, nevermind...
Same place all his non-sourced and non linked information comes from.
Internet searches still doesn't work on your computer? You really should have that fixed.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/visa-overstays-outnumber-illegal-border-crossings-trend-expected-continue-n730216
https://cis.org/Arthur/Half-Illegal-Population-Are-Overstays
https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/
There are lots more. I don't feel a need to link or source something that can be looked up in 2 seconds by anyone with an above room temperature IQ. Maybe I should revise that policy to accommodate the lowest common denominator on patnet.
So the question stands, what will the wall do for overstayers? Crickets chirping as always.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 31, 9:54pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 31, 9:54pm
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4652944/1995-bill-clinton-building-wall
Clinton is obviously a white supremacist
Clinton is obviously a white supremacist
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Basically rubbish like this:
https://americasvoice.org/blog/immigration-101-border-wall-terrible-idea/