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Evan F. says

mell says

I don't know how many matches of John McEnroe I watched where he lost points or games for misbehaving

How about never?

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/171029/FOR-THE-RECORD-MCENROES-TANTRUMS-AND-FINES.html

Looks like he was thrown out of the Australian open once for repeatedly assholish behavior, but otherwise most of his penalties were fines. And his tirades were profane enough to make a sailor blush.

Meanwhile, Serena was penalized a point, then a game, and then 17,000 clams for calling the judge a 'thief'. Really, that's all she could come up with? The only thing Serena screwed up was her insult to the judge.. if you're gonna go there, might as well let the judge really have it.

You'd better believe there's a double standard. Yes, they're all cogs ...

Lol the article you linked contains an example where he lost a point. This is not a complete list. And how about getting completely thrown out of a grand slam. There is no double standard.

Tenpoundbass says

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/171029/FOR-THE-RECORD-MCENROES-TANTRUMS-AND-FINES.html

Funny, that exact link is in my reply, 5 messages above yours. Did you take a moment to read the article?

Tenpoundbass says

Give your race baiting shit a rest will ya?!

I call out someone who compared Serena Williams to an angry monkey, and I'm the one race baiting? Sure, dude.

Evan F. says

CBOEtrader says

Women have their own leagues so as to allow them a chance for competition. Different game, different rules.

Oh, cool, can you show me in the tennis rulebook how they're different, other than women playing 3 sets and men playing 5 in the 4 Grand slams?

Women play women, men play men.

Any more 3rd grade questions?

Evan F. says

Funny, that exact link is in my reply, 5 messages above yours. Did you take a moment to read the article?

Of course I did, I just don't think you took the time to read it the way you're carrying on about double standards and other various Liberal tears horse shit.

Tenpoundbass says

Of course I did, I just don't think you took the time to read it the way you're carrying on about double standards and other various Liberal tears horse shit.

Okay, so where in that article does it reference all the point and game penalties that McEnroe suffered.

Evan F. says

I call out someone who compared Serena Williams to an angry monkey, and I'm the one race baiting? Sure, dude.

We share 90% dna with our primate ancestors. Nobody looks more like a Bonobo Chimp than George W. Bush. Give him some purple skin and there you go. Money as fuck!

CBOEtrader says

Any more 3rd grade questions?

Yeah, any other rules? Does that make it a different game? Because that was your 3rd grade assertion.

I wonder if she’d yell racism when gets pulled over for speeding. It’s a liberal thing to yell that in tauntrums.

Evan F. says

CBOEtrader says

Any more 3rd grade questions?

Yeah, any other rules? Does that make it a different game? Because that was your 3rd grade assertion.

Behavioral penalties are enforced differently in different leagues, for sure. The womens' tennis tour will have different interpretations than the men's and certainly different than men 40 years ago.

When you can show us a modern player who behaves like this and doesnt get a penalty, get back to us.

We are all now stupider for having discussed ghetto tennis player behavior.

CBOEtrader says

We are all now stupider for having discussed ghetto tennis player behavior.

Well done--the insertion of ghetto, while not very subtle, is top notch.

She isn’t acting classy, that’s very ghetto to start settling disputes like it’s Jerry Springer drama.

Class is something left doesn’t get.

LeonDurham says

CBOEtrader says

We are all now stupider for having discussed ghetto tennis player behavior.

Well done--the insertion of ghetto, while not very subtle, is top notch.

FortWayne says

She isn’t acting classy, that’s very ghetto to start settling disputes like it’s Jerry Springer drama.

Class is something left doesn’t get.

uh-huh. I remember all the times McEnroe and Connors and Nastase were called ghetto...

Oh yeah--they never were.

CBOEtrader says

Behavioral penalties are enforced differently in different leagues, for sure. The womens' tennis tour will have different interpretations than the men's and certainly different than men 40 years ago.

And that perfectly sums up Serena's issue with how she was treated...

Tenpoundbass says

We share 90% dna with our primate ancestors.

It's strange how you are constantly bringing up race in this thread when Serena's entire argument is based on gender inequality. No one's bringing up race except you.

Oh, and it's more like 96%.

I don't understand why anyone cares about this. It's a sport. It's a sport that pays well if you win one of the major tournaments. Male, female, black, white, etc. There's not one person here that wouldn't go ape shit over potentially losing $2M by not winning. https://www.usopen.org/en_US/visit/prize_money.html

She could have kicked the ref in the nuts and killed his first born. It's 2 fucking million dollars. More then most anyone here will make in their entire lifetime. I haven't even watched it but don't give a flip. People will do stupid shit for $2M.

And yes, I get she's already wealthy. Let me know the next time you're playing golf with $500 on the line and you don't get pissed if you lose?

LeonDurham says

Oh yeah--they never were.

Maybe they never behaved like serena last week.

Threatening to ruin a judge's career for calling an obvious coaching violation followed by a childish outburst, followed by accusing everyone of being racist/sexist. Yeah "I dindo nuttin, y'all racist" in the face of overwhelming guilt is ghetto af.

CBOEtrader says

Maybe they never behaved like serena last week.

Threatening to ruin a judge's career for calling an obvious coaching violation followed by a childish outburst, followed by accusing everyone of being racist/sexist. Yeah "I dindo nuttin, y'all racist" in the face of overwhelming guilt is ghetto af.

Oh no--they behaved much, much worse.

Hell, Rafi Nadal told the SAME referee that he would make sure he never worked another match again. No penalty, of course.

Maybe you can show me all the times Nadal was called ghetto? I'll be waiting with bated breath.

No one knows who the fuck that guy is. What are you waiting for equal outcomes across generations now? Most childish liberal idea I’ve seen. As childish and ghetto as Williams behavior.

“But officer others are speeding too, you can’t give me ticket unless you catch all other speeders”. I laugh at immaturity of the left.

LeonDurham says

CBOEtrader says

Maybe they never behaved like serena last week.

Threatening to ruin a judge's career for calling an obvious coaching violation followed by a childish outburst, followed by accusing everyone of being racist/sexist. Yeah "I dindo nuttin, y'all racist" in the face of overwhelming guilt is ghetto af.

Oh no--they behaved much, much worse.

Hell, Rafi Nadal told the SAME referee that he would make sure he never worked another match again. No penalty, of course.

Maybe you can show me all the times Nadal was called ghetto? I'll be waiting with bated breath.

FortWayne says

No one knows who the fuck that guy is. What are you waiting for equal outcomes across generations now? Most childish liberal idea I’ve seen. As childish and ghetto as Williams behavior.

Nobody knows who the fuck Rafael Nadal is? Are you kidding me?

If you don't know who he is then you most definitely shouldn't be commenting on anything tennis related.

2009: "I'll shove this ball down your throat" Serena tells US Open Official
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1213164/Furious-Serena-Williams-dumped-U-S-Open-told-official-If-I-Id-ball-shove-throat.html

Again, 2011:
https://sports.yahoo.com/serena-williams-outburst-costs-u-s-open-214524967.html

Not to Males? Bullshit. Here's all the fines, bans, and removals McEnroe earned himself:
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/171029/FOR-THE-RECORD-MCENROES-TANTRUMS-AND-FINES.html

I don’t know who the fuck he is.

But next time you get pulled over for speeding tell the cop that they are not treating you same as others. Let us know how that works out.

I ain’t bailing you out. Call a lawyer.

LeonDurham says

FortWayne says

No one knows who the fuck that guy is. What are you waiting for equal outcomes across generations now? Most childish liberal idea I’ve seen. As childish and ghetto as Williams behavior.

Nobody knows who the fuck Rafael Nadal is? Are you kidding me?

If you don't know who he is then you most definitely shouldn't be commenting on anything tennis related.

FortWayne says

I don’t know who the fuck he is.

But next time you get pulled over for speeding tell the cop that they are not treating you same as others. Let us know how that works out.

I ain’t bailing you out. Call a lawyer.

Like I said--you really shouldn't be commenting on something you clearly know nothing about.

We're not talking about breaking the law here so the analogy is weak.

It's not about what was said. It doesn't really matter what guys have said. Nick Krygios, or however you spell his name earns a suspension every other month. But what was more important is, that in most cases, the offender says something stupid to the judge and then, they either get warned or docked a point. Serena, kept carrying on and on and on and on and on and on and on, that's the problem. She was already warned, then, she got docked a point. And she just kept going and going and going and going.

theoakman says

She was already warned, then, she got docked a point.

Was she? I never heard the umpire warn her.

No we talking about breaking rules.
She was caught, she paid for it.

Done

LeonDurham says

FortWayne says

I don’t know who the fuck he is.

But next time you get pulled over for speeding tell the cop that they are not treating you same as others. Let us know how that works out.

I ain’t bailing you out. Call a lawyer.

Like I said--you really shouldn't be commenting on something you clearly know nothing about.

We're not talking about breaking the law here so the analogy is weak.

Read the link then, it shows and talks about her warning. Was warned twice

LeonDurham says

theoakman says

She was already warned, then, she got docked a point.

Was she? I never heard the umpire warn her.

LeonDurham says

Hell, Rafi Nadal told the SAME referee that he would make sure he never worked another match again. No penalty, of course.

Show me a link that summarizes what Nadal did. Did he have 3 progressively more extreme outbursts followed by screaming threats, and accusations of racism? I think not

It's so juvenile to play the sexism card in that dispute with the judge. How does it make it ok for her to treat the judge with complete disrespect and call him names and then expect NOT to get a penalty? Who cares how men are treated...what she did was wrong and an embarrassment to the game. It shouldn't be about what you can get away with.

"Officer, I know I was driving drunk, but I know women who drive drunk who get off without a DUI. That's sexist and you shouldn't give me a DUI." Fuck off and don't drive drunk.

Evan F. says

CBOEtrader says

Behavioral penalties are enforced differently in different leagues, for sure. The womens' tennis tour will have different interpretations than the men's and certainly different than men 40 years ago.

And that perfectly sums up Serena's issue with how she was treated...

This is only a problem if her competition was allowed to do something she wasnt. Do you think refs call the same fouls in the NBA and WNBA? They could, but I'll assume they allow the men to play a bit rougher. (Assuming because I've never watched a WNBA game.)

LeonDurham says

theoakman says

She was already warned, then, she got docked a point.

Was she? I never heard the umpire warn her.

The "coaching" was the warning, on the next penalty, she's automatically docked a point. Breaking a racket is not something the judge is at liberty to ignore. It's an automatic point. She was angry because, in her mind, she shouldn't have got the warning in the first place. After that, she continually continued her tirade. The next penalty was earned over time. The ump did nothing wrong and took a long long time to finally put her in her place.

theoakman says

The ump did nothing wrong and took a long long time to finally put her in her place.

Exactly right. Serena just couldn't let it go. She kept on him relentlessly, so he finally shut her down after taking repeated abuse.

LOL liberals can never accept somebody made amistake-nazi, racism, sexism , Donald Trump. That ppor , poor 20 yr old who won burst out in tears I think-no liberal cares.

theoakman says

The "coaching" was the warning, on the next penalty, she's automatically docked a point. Breaking a racket is not something the judge is at liberty to ignore. It's an automatic point. She was angry because, in her mind, she shouldn't have got the warning in the first place. After that, she continually continued her tirade. The next penalty was earned over time. The ump did nothing wrong and took a long long time to finally put her in her place.

No the coaching was the first code violation. The racket abuse violation was automatic, I agree.

Where the ump was wrong was not giving a warning to Serena that she needs to stop arguing and go play. If not, she will get another code violation and game penalty.

But that's not the point anyway--the hilarious part is how all the closet racists get off on this. How many times the word ghetto has been thrown around on this thread. Pictures of monkeys, etc.

Serana just has a poor attitude. Certainly not someone I'd want my children imitating. Hell, attitudes like that get them punished.

LeonDurham says

theoakman says

The "coaching" was the warning, on the next penalty, she's automatically docked a point. Breaking a racket is not something the judge is at liberty to ignore. It's an automatic point. She was angry because, in her mind, she shouldn't have got the warning in the first place. After that, she continually continued her tirade. The next penalty was earned over time. The ump did nothing wrong and took a long long time to finally put her in her place.

No the coaching was the first code violation. The racket abuse violation was automatic, I agree.

Where the ump was wrong was not giving a warning to Serena that she needs to stop arguing and go play. If not, she will get another code violation and game penalty.

But that's not the point anyway--the hilarious part is how all the closet racists get off on this. How many times the word ghetto has been thrown around on th...

That's exactly what I said. The 1st code violation results in a warning. The 2nd one, results in a penalty. I don't think he needed to give her an additional warning. That's the whole point of penalties. She got penalized. That was her warning to stop. She didn't. Simple as that.

As a tennis player who watched the game. Here's my observation.

Serena is not in the best shape of her life given she recently gave birth to a baby. She could outhit other girls but not Osaka. Serena really had no answer for Osaka's game. She was frustrated and took it out on the ref. Osaka also knocked Serena out of the Miami Open earlier in the year in straight sets 6-3, 6-2. Her record against Serena is 2-0.

It was a huge achievement for Serena to make it to the US Open final this quick after giving birth. It's unfortunate she and the fans ruined this young girl's victorious moment.

LeonDurham says

But that's not the point anyway--the hilarious part is how all the closet racists get off on this. How many times the word ghetto has been thrown around on this thread. Pictures of monkeys, etc.

Black herring argument

PrivilegedtobeWhite says

Pictures of monkeys,

Approaching the third rail, why do you think racists compare blacks to apes or monkeys? The same isn't done for other targets of racists, for example, other colored people like Asians, Indians, etc.

Patrick says

Yes, the attention should be on Osaka. She won fair and square.

She's even half black

The final was a victory for women of color (or, colored women)!