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It seems like if you had real confidence in Trump, you would be defending Climate change denial

Trump may not be one of the AGW evangelists, but he has actually pursuing action that would reduce carbon emissions:
- working to produce goods in USA rather than China (USA pollution laws would apply)
- working to curb unfettered illegal immigration (increasing 1st world population means more carbon footprint)
- supports fracking that allowed more substitution of natural gas over other more carbon emitting fuels

And as I am sure you have noticed, USA carbon footprint has been decreasing.

When it comes to pollution/carbon/depletion, actual action beats a profession of faith.

marcus says

It seems like if you had real confidence in Trump, you would be defending Climate change denial

It's funny how people think that by getting a bunch of rich fucks to fly in their private jets to some meeting place and discuss "climate change" over lobster lunches and expect the usa to pay for the majority of the costs, will be the solution to "climate change"....lol...And if you see through all these shenanigans, and don't want to participate, it means that you want to destroy the world. What happened to the people that could actually think and not just go hysterically stupid?

marcus says

you would be defending Climate change denial, or perhaps explaining why deficits only matter when democrats are in power.

those are different issues from shutting down conservative opinions at universities. I happen to agree with left on AGW and on deficits both sides are retarded.

If Left is so confident they are right in everything, then why do they try to shut down others?

Where did "I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It" disappear?

dr6B says

Where did "I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It" disappear?

When the Left began talking about “hate speech” as being too dangerous to be allowed. Of course, since the Left also gets to define “hate speech,” it can designate any speech it doesn’t approve of as hate speech. And since they’ve decided that some speech is “too dangerous to be protected,” that means that “dangerous” speech is also fair game for censorship and retribution. And since they control what is defined as “dangerous speech,” they control the conversation. And Free Speech is effectively dead.

Quigley says

since the Left also gets to define “hate speech,”

Seems kind of ... nazi-like.

And since they control what is defined as “dangerous speech,” they control the conversation. And Free Speech is effectively dead.

Yes, but remember: It isn't everyone pushing for scrapping open dialog in favor of groupthink. It isn't even all of the left and left-leaners. It is a paltry 8%, it is the so-called "Progressive Activists" (who, ironically, advocate some of the most regressive positions):



Classic Liberals, Left-leaners, Moderates, Liberalists, Conservatives, Traditionalists, and the center-Right all have more in common with each other than they do with the regressive 8%.

This is the narrative that we could be amplifying: there is unity in America, and it is among the 92%ers who still value freedom of expression and open dialog. The real battle to be won is against the cynicism and nihilism of the 8% regressives and the rejection of progress and the Enlightenment that they're trying to stuff down the throats of the 92%.

You are quite correct! However these progressives have effectively infiltrated national media and the university system and are working hard to miseducate students and the public. Every new grad who believes this crap chips away at the majority of sane people. And we have the media propaganda blaring 24/7 defining the national discussion and trying to gas light us all into believing their horse shit.
It’s a terrorist war.

cmdrdataleak says

cynicism and nihilism of the 8% regressives

Yes, this population of incels, losers, and fat pigs, are the ones pushing the SJW bullshit and since they have the most time out of everyone (since they have no social life outside of SJWism), they dedicated 100% of their energy into it.

Aphroman says

A very accurate description of Republicans in 2018

Nice to see some are finally waking up

Yes, it's the GOP voters who are pushing group identity politics and collectivism.

Quigley says

You are quite correct! However these progressives have effectively infiltrated national media and the university system and are working hard to miseducate students and the public. Every new grad who believes this crap chips away at the majority of sane people. And we have the media propaganda blaring 24/7 defining the national discussion and trying to gas light us all into believing their horse shit.
It’s a terrorist war.

Most importantly, they've infiltrated the "FAANGs" companies, (a.k.a. Facebook, Google/Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Netflix,...), and those companies not only have influence on, but fiat control over what we can find, see, hear, show, and say. Mission objective #1 of the 92% should be oversight, regulation, and maybe even trust-busting of these juggernauts.

Start by making them decide between becoming media companies, and losing all their CDA section 230 protections, or reaffirming their status as common carriers, and being treated as the "public square" and thus enjoined from any sort of content censorship.

Goran_K says

Yes, it's the GOP voters who are pushing group identity politics and collectivism.

Trump Jr. sure did today.

cmdrdataleak says

Most importantly, they've infiltrated the "FAANGs" companies, (a.k.a. Facebook, Google/Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Netflix,...), and those companies not only have influence on, but fiat control over what we can find, see, hear, show, and say. Mission objective #1 of the 92% should be oversight, regulation, and maybe even trust-busting of these juggernauts.

Start by making them decide between becoming media companies, and losing all their CDA section 230 protections, or reaffirming their status as common carriers, and being treated as the "public square" and thus enjoined from any sort of content censorship.

This is an interesting problem. Perhaps the 92% would be in favor of better regulation of the FAANG companies, but is it even possible to get the message out there when the media is effectively monopolized by them, and they have an effectively infinite amount of money to bribe Congressmen with donate to Congressional campaigns.

Maybe it's just as important to try to infiltrate a more diverse range of opinions into the FAANG companies themselves, though even mild questioning is typically punished with firing.

FAANG = corporations that have been deemed people. They have a right to express their opinions. Do you want to repress their right to free speech?

marcus says

You all were sold a bunch of hogwash.

We are still awaiting your hogwash example. (I hear Washpo has a few thousand for you.)

CBOEtrader says

We are still awaiting your hogwash example. (I hear Washpo has a few thousand for you.)

Actually Wapo has a few thousand examples for anyone to prove aren't lies.

Guess what ? Nobody has even tried. Because all reality based people know what a lie looks like. Only total flakes want to say, "well actually, truth is relativite" or "oh, lying out his ass is just his style, we all know that," or "all politicians lie, same old same old." Yeah okay. That just makes you a lying piece of shit.

In that other thread did you ever respond with some true things Trump said from his editorial ? Perhaps you thought that his statement that liberals with their "medicare for all," are actually trying to take seniors medicare benefits away, was true ?

I didn't think so.

Goran_K says

marcus says

Of course not. I also can't find a liberal that would post a thread as stupid as this one.

It hurts doesn’t it. It’s okay man. Sometimes the truth is like that.

Wow you got a lot of likes from the dimbulb club.

Look let's get real for a minute. There is a huge part of the country that are relatively moderate. Presumably you and I are both part of that group. But we have disagreements. WE could discuss those. But instead what ?

You want to associate me and my beliefs and opinions with people that I don't respect at all, that represent the far left.

I guess maybe it's some sort of payback for the decades of humiliation you've experienced for being associated you with Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Brietbart Alex Jones, TPB, and all the other morons that represent the right wing as we know it ?

The only difference, is that I denounce SJWs, and disassociate myself from that kind of politics. Where as all those listed actually represent you, and the people giving you those likes.

You have reason to be ashamed of your politics, that is, if you are honest.

I don't

cmdrdataleak says

Most importantly, they've infiltrated the "FAANGs" companies, (a.k.a. Facebook, Google/Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Netflix,...), and those companies not only have influence on, but fiat control over what we can find, see, hear, show, and say. Mission objective #1 of the 92% should be oversight, regulation, and maybe even trust-busting of these juggernauts.

I agree, and Universities should be #2. We may need to take tenure power from State Universities and invest it in a board picked by the Governor/State Legislature, since the State is subsidizing it.

The radicals were given jobs in the 70s in the name of intellectual diversity, and many were pro-diversity/free speech themselves (often part of the "Academic Freedom" and "Free Speech Movements") in the beginning, feeling that if New Left ideas could be presented, they'd be rapidly adopted. However, as their radical causes failed to gain the strength they believed it would, they turned around and began adopting more aggressive strategies - for example, only approving those who shared their worldview. Political Correctness was developed and adopted precisely because these Radicals believed that "Structure" of the language of Bourgeois Capitalist society was an obstacle that prevented people from "Seeing the Truth".

As late as the 60s, professors were as likely to be Centrist Liberal and/or Republican/Conservative as not in the Social Sciences, and NOT rare as rain in Spain like they are today. Hard Left Profs were rare and more often found outside the Humanities/Liberal Arts. The lack of Non-AltLeft Profs, esp. in the Social Sciences, is not an accident nor because smart people are always Hard Left. To the 60s radicals and their proteges on the Social Science Tenure Committees , Middle of the Road Liberals like Dershowitz, EJ DIonne, or Thomas Mann are regarded as Reactionary Neanderthals little better than Hitler.

The real boom in Hard Left Professors has actually occurred between the late 90s and today, again a result of the now-dominant 60s/70s radicals and their immediate proteges having the seniority to dominate tenure boards. Professors (overall, not just Lib Arts/Soc Science) identifying as Hard Left or Left of Center was about 45% in 1988, and is now 63% in 2012. That's not because STEM scientists got more Left, but because the Humanities and Social Scientists have moved further to the Left. Interestingly, the survey stopped asking Community College Professors.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/10/24/survey-finds-professors-already-liberal-have-moved-further-left

The idea of Social Democracy dominating the worldview of the Humanities, Groupthink, and why Departments have to veer to the Left (Prestige and Publishing).
http://www.independent.org/pdf/tir/tir_13_04_7_klien_stern.pdf

marcus says

Guess what ? Nobody has even tried.

We shared our top laughs from the first page of that group last time it was posted. You chose not to defend any of those. You also chose not to defend any of your choice. You should sincerely ask yourself why. If you were honest with yourself, you would admit you've been lied to. These lists are propaganda designed to convince the soft minded that Trump is the bad guy (with the goal of them never reading or researching any of the claims.)

Prove to us you are better or admit you cant make a case for trump being a liar.

These folks are in denial, hence the anger. What if a good deal of what you were force fed and now believe was absolute nonsense? One possibility is that you would be very angry at anyone exposing your lie based life, and lash out at them. (Blue pill).

CBOEtrader says

Prove to us you are better or admit you cant make a case for trump being a liar.

You look at that list, or you look at that recent op-ed of Trumps, and you see no lies. THat makes you a bigger liar than Trump, becasue Trump is aware that he's a complete and constant bullshitter.

Here, from that op-ed.

In practice, the Democratic Party’s so-called Medicare for All would really be Medicare for None," Trump wrote. "Under the Democrats' plan, today’s Medicare would be forced to die."

Tapper on Sunday interviewed Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a proponent of Medicare for all who has been harshly critical of Trump’s op-ed.

“He said we are going to weaken Medicare coverage for the elderly. That is an outrageous lie,” Sanders told Tapper. “We expand coverage to include dental care, vision care and hearing aids.”

When I hear you claim that WaPos list of Trump lies is propaganda, basically asserting that you have absolutely no idea what a fact is, I can only feel sorry for you. THere are millions of right wingers, that are even less intelligent than you, who will say the lies are small, or that the lies are politics, "all politicians lie." But no you say "let's discuss," challenging me ? I don't engage, becasue facts are facts. And if we get in to analyzing anyone of Trumps lies, it plays in to Trumps strategy of overwhelming us with his bullshit.

Most single individual lies, are no worse than the worst lies other politicians tell. But with Trump it's all you get. 24/7.

What the fuck, you guys harp on "you didn't build that" (out of context), or "you can keep your doctor." Trump lies more than both of those combined on a typical day before breakfast. It's too much to keep track of.

marcus says

Most single individual lies, are no worse than the worst lie other politicians tell. But with Trump it's all you get. 24/7.

TDS at its finest!

"He said we are going to weaken Medicare coverage for the elderly."

-This is an absolute fact and has been proven already. Obamacare was meant to be the precursor to Medicare for all. The plans are designed VERY MUCH like Medicare advantage plans. Part of funding for Obamacare came from Medicare. Therefore people who have paid for a system (Medicare) were handed a bill for people who havent paid (Obamacare).

I'm sorry you were lied to by your corporate propaganda. Anything else you need clarified?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

I agree, and Universities should be #2. We may need to take tenure power from State Universities and invest it in a board picked by the Governor/State Legislature, since the State is subsidizing it.

It would be sufficient to de-fund Departments of Oppressed Womyn, Enslaved Minorities, and perhaps Education. They breed 99+ % of SJW's and cause vast majority of idiocy on campuses. If you think about it, their name says that they get paid for causing trouble.

Aphroman says

You’re not supposed to go there, you might trigger the GOPe Cult45

companies=people has somehow backfired on the Right I will believe that companies should have equal rights with people when my Great State of Texas starts executing companies, or at least their CEO's

CBOEtrader says

Anything else you need clarified?

I don't believe that you believe your own bullshit.

One, the flow to and from medicare relating to Obamacare are far more complicated than what you implied with your empty assertion.

But it's irrelevant, becasue those talking about medicare for all, are talking about something completely from the ACA with it's mandate. Medicare for all would increase the medicare tax rate, and everyone would be on medicare.

Obviously, if we were even to consider it. OR I should say, when we finally implement is, it will probably have supplemental policies provided as traditional insurance.

Wouldn't be easier for once in your life to admit it was a total lie designed to get the republican senior vote out in even higher numbers than usual ? TRy to slavage some small amount of self respect, and admit it. I guarantee most of the other dimbulbs would.

marcus says

Medicare for all would increase the medicare tax rate, and everyone would be on medicare.

To do this, "medicare as we know it would die".

Your assertion is Trump lied. Please point out where/how.

marcus says

Wouldn't be easier for once in your life to admit it was a total lie designed to get the republican senior vote out in even higher numbers than usual ?

Please point out the exact Trump lie you are referencing.

I have pointed out where Bernie is lying to you. Medicare as we know it will absolutely be pillaged in favor of Medicare for all.

I'm upping the offer to $200.

Any takers from the left?

Goran_K says

I'm upping the offer to $200.

Any takers from the left?

Welfare gives more. Can you match it?

Strategist says

Welfare gives more. Can you match it?

It's technically still my money even then.

Tenpoundbass what did the Hitler family do to you for you to associate them with the likes of Hillary Clinton?

CBOEtrader says

I have pointed out where Bernie is lying to you. Medicare as we know it will absolutely be pillaged in favor of Medicare for all.

You made a ridiculous assertion based on nothing. Please point me to a thoughtful analysis of this topic done by a serious (AND HONEST) source.

I

dr6B says

Where did "I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It" disappear?

Exactly. Remember Voltaire? Probably most of the modern left don't know who he was.

Quigley says

When the Left began talking about “hate speech” as being too dangerous to be allowed. Of course, since the Left also gets to define “hate speech,” it can designate any speech it doesn’t approve of as hate speech. And since they’ve decided that some speech is “too dangerous to be protected,” that means that “dangerous” speech is also fair game for censorship and retribution. And since they control what is defined as “dangerous speech,” they control the conversation. And Free Speech is effectively dead.

Yep.

georgeliberte says

Tenpoundbass what did the Hitler family do to you for you to associate them with the likes of Hillary Clinton?

He was a Socialists too!

Tenpoundbass says

georgeliberte says

Tenpoundbass what did the Hitler family do to you for you to associate them with the likes of Hillary Clinton?

He was a Socialists too!

All politicians are associated with Hitler. Just ask the other side.

marcus says

CBOEtrader says

I have pointed out where Bernie is lying to you. Medicare as we know it will absolutely be pillaged in favor of Medicare for all.

You made a ridiculous assertion based on nothing. Please point me to a thoughtful analysis of this topic done by a serious (AND HONEST) source.

I

Facts arent an honest source to you? That's bizarre.

Let's review: Medicare benefits have already been sacrificed to help finance Obamacare. Fact.

The exact same thing would happen if we went to medicare for all, effectively killing Medicare as we know it. Fact.

Do you have an argument? Or do you always run when it's time to use specific facts?

Feelings! Nothing more than feelings!
I should get Marcus a teddy bear to snuggle for Christmas.
And get APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch what he really wants: a gunnysack full of kittens and a ball peen hammer!

HEYYOU says

If Conservatives don't like pissed-off Liberals,they shouldn't piss Liberals-off.

Without pissed off liberals and pissed off conservatives, elections would be so boring.