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Left operates on jealousy.
Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil.
3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD.
4 And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering,
5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.
6 Then the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast?
7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
8 Now Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.” While they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.
I feel we should:
1) change how we calculate tax bills
2) make changes that maintain tax bill stability, but make tax bills more fair by making people carry their own weight instead of making others pay for them
max-yearly-increase level, say 2%
Hircus saysI feel we should:
1) change how we calculate tax bills
2) make changes that maintain tax bill stability, but make tax bills more fair by making people carry their own weight instead of making others pay for them
I also think it's "more fair," if people's taxes (from whatever source) are proportional to the government services that they use.
Why not look at cutting pensions? Hiring contractors for municipal work?? That should solve your money problem.
That's kind of what prop 13 did.
But, I think they can pay their taxes no problem at all via the equity in their home via a lien
Why not look at cutting pensions? Hiring contractors for municipal work?? That should solve your money problem.
My proposal specifically stipulates that total property tax collected rise at inflation rate — I'm not giving wasteful government any more money in real terms.
Because government didn't need taxes from real estate, they just wanted it to give themselves raises.
CA is doomed. Liberals actually voted to keep the gas taxes and are now fighting to raise property taxes.
in IL home of some of the highest property taxes in the nation-the governor ran and won on raising taxes and got a dem supermajority. I think this country is doomed.
CA is doomed. Liberals actually voted to keep the gas taxes and are now fighting to raise property taxes.
People who drive a lot should pay a larger share of the costs of providing roads and related services than those who drive less
FortWayneIndiana saysBecause government didn't need taxes from real estate, they just wanted it to give themselves raises.
Say so the same for the sales tax and income tax otherwise you are a prop 13 mega leach wanted to live on tax money collected (by the government that you hate) from slave neighbors to maintain your M++ $ life style.
If you genuinely believe in government waste. Talk about tax cuts in all forms, not just property tax alone.
People who drive a lot should pay a larger share of the costs of providing roads and related services than those who drive less.
The world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they personally use.That would be too fair. How are long-time homeowners supposed to get more county services for less if new homeowners aren't getting bent over a barrel?
Hircus saysThe world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they personally use.That would be too fair. How are long-time homeowners supposed to get more county services for less if new homeowners aren't getting bent over a barrel?
PrivilegedtobeWhite saysThe world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they personally use.Hircus saysThe world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they personally use.That would be too fair. How are long-time homeowners supposed to get more county services for less if new homeowners aren't getting bent over a barrel?
Increasing everyones taxes always makes things worse, however liberals always want it. Because to them tax increases = bigger handouts and pension bonuses.
I think 85% gas tax goes to train network.
You can probably guess that I think they should raise train ticket prices if they need to fund trains :p
The government should fire every government employee, declare bankruptcy, liquidate all the pensions by paying out (30 cents on the dollar, perhaps), put in anti-government-union laws, and start over. They costs would drop substantially and the service would be improved (because you would always fire the bottom 20% of employees every year).
Sunnyvale94087 says
The government should fire every government employee, declare bankruptcy, liquidate all the pensions by paying out (30 cents on the dollar, perhaps), put in anti-government-union laws, and start over. They costs would drop substantially and the service would be improved (because you would always fire the bottom 20% of employees every year).
Has anyone ever managed to rip a large govt program to shreds and start over with efficiency?
FortWayneIndiana saysPrivilegedtobeWhite saysThe world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they personally use.Hircus saysThe world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they personally use.That would be too fair. How are long-time homeowners supposed to get more county services for less if new homeowners aren't getting bent over a barrel?
Increasing everyones taxes always makes things worse, however liberals always want it. Because to them tax increases = bigger handouts and pension bonuses.
There is no enough 'LIMIT' for left wing democrat socialists.....they will take it ALL!
PrivilegedtobeWhite saysYou're talking about how government spends your money. That's a different issue that needs to be addressed.FortWayneIndiana saysPrivilegedtobeWhite saysThe world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they personally use.Hircus saysThe world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they personally use.That would be too fair. How are long-time homeowners supposed to get more county services for less if new homeowners aren't getting bent over a barrel?
Increasing everyones taxes always makes things worse, however liberals always want it. Because to them tax increases = bigger handouts and pension bonuses.
They've used my taxes for last 30+ years to pay for things tha...
Has anyone ever managed to rip a large govt program to shreds and start over with efficiency?
Germany, Japan, 1945
FortWayneIndiana saysPrivilegedtobeWhite saysFortWayneIndiana saysPrivilegedtobeWhite saysThe world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they per...Hircus saysThe world just makes so much more sense when the person pays for what they personally use.That would be too fair. How are long-time homeowners supposed to get more county services for less if new homeowners aren't getting bent over a barrel?
Increasing everyones taxes always makes things worse, however liberals always want it. Because to them tax increases = bigger handouts and pension bonuses.
Hircus saysGas seems like the perfect way to make people pay for the cost of roads and other auto related services because by taxing gas directly on a per gallon basis
But people who get 40 mpg vs 20mpg pay less. Electric car drivers don't pay at all.
No it’s same issue.No. The way government budgets work is year by year, funded by those annual tax revenues. No one cares what you paid 30 years ago. Someone new coming into your neighborhood was paying into a tax system where they were previously at. Paying taxes isn't like paying into an investment fund that you get credit for in past years and enjoy the residual benefit so that you get to pay less. That's not the way taxes work. Go look it up.
You want equal, go pay me 30 years of taxes with interest and than we can talk about paying same amounts today.
MegaForce says
Hircus says
Gas seems like the perfect way to make people pay for the cost of roads and other auto related services because by taxing gas directly on a per gallon basis
But people who get 40 mpg vs 20mpg pay less. Electric car drivers don't pay at all.
It's the weight of the vehicle which wears the road, not the type and amount of fuel it uses.
Fortwaynemobile saysNo it’s same issue.No. The way government budgets work is year by year, funded by those annual tax revenues. No one cares what you paid 30 years ago. Someone new coming into your neighborhood was paying into a tax system where they were previously at. Paying taxes isn't like paying into an investment fund that you get credit for in past years and enjoy the residual benefit so that you get to pay less. That's not the way taxes work. Go look it up.
You want equal, go pay me 30 years of taxes with interest and than we can talk about paying same amounts today.
If prop13 was gone...
Long time homeowners/elderly would pay equal taxes to new homeowners/young families.
BayArea saysIf prop13 was gone...
Long time homeowners/elderly would pay equal taxes to new homeowners/young families.
... and all of them would pay much more than they pay now, no exception.
DASKAA saysNailed it. Not sure what Prop 13 humpers don't get about this. They're obviously blinded by their selfish desire to get unfair benefit at new homeowners' expense.BayArea saysIf prop13 was gone...
Long time homeowners/elderly would pay equal taxes to new homeowners/young families.
... and all of them would pay much more than they pay now, no exception.
I disagree.
Prop 13 segregated population. If prop13 was gone, first it unites all and bring common uniform tax rather than new neighbors pay to old neighbors.
Then we can talk about the next topic of high or low taxes which is related but a different topic.
Until then prop 13 beneficiaries who own neighboring slaves never stop cooking stone soup and sell in the name of grandma, hating govt etc. and minting $$$.
Blue saysDASKAA saysNailed it. Not sure what Prop 13 humpers don't get about this. They're obviously bli...BayArea saysIf prop13 was gone...
Long time homeowners/elderly would pay equal taxes to new homeowners/young families.
... and all of them would pay much more than they pay now, no exception.
I disagree.
Prop 13 segregated population. If prop13 was gone, first it unites all and bring common uniform tax rather than new neighbors pay to old neighbors.
Then we can talk about the next topic of high or low taxes which is related but a different topic.
Until then prop 13 beneficiaries who own neighboring slaves never stop cooking stone soup and sell in the name of grandma, hating govt etc. and minting $$$.
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Right now, you have this huge dichotomy in taxes - someone pays 2k per yr, while their neighbor pays 16k for a comparable house.
I think right now we pay about 1% of the assessed value in CA unless there's special junk like melo roos or w/e they're called. But, 1% would be way too much if everyone were paying it and the assessed value was updated yearly without any yearly growth caps.