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The Founder of Panera Bread Explains the Obvious Economic Forces that Led to Trump
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curious2
2018 Nov 25, 4:49pm
curious2
2018 Nov 25, 4:49pm
marcus says
marcus says
marcus says
DASKAA says
The comments from marcus are all over the map, and lack consistency or even self-awareness, calling everyone racist and/or "dimbulbs" merely to troll people. The comments have little or nothing to do with evidence nor reason. Instead, the obsession with "racism" reflects chronic, generalized, and overly emotional anger, e.g. about having failed at trading where "dimbulbs" (i.e., people who disagreed with marcus) did better.
I saw an interesting statistic recently, that exit surveys showed evangelical voters split sharply by color in 2016. A Muslim author presented that as evidence of racism, trying to accuse the white people of being racist. The opposite explanation seems more accurate. If the Democratic nominee had campaigned on paying to import thousands of white Nazis, on behalf of campaign backers including the manufacturers of Zyklon B, she would have lost in a landslide. Instead, she campaigned on paying to import thousands of Muslims, on behalf of backers including KSA. The founding Nazis agreed with the leading Muslims of their time that their doctrines were very similar, and 100k European Muslims joined the Nazi SS for that reason, but that history is now widely forgotten. Today, racists see only that most Nazis are white and most Muslims are brown. (Sinéad O'Connor is going to have to work on her tan so she can avoid seeing "white people" in the mirror.) So, the brown Evangelicals voted to import brown Nazis, while opposing white Nazis. That's racist.
we're all racist
marcus says
I don't care for identity politics.marcus says
I'm a white male and I'm certainly not anti white male, nor am I racist.
marcus says
most racists tend very much to deny their racism.
DASKAA says
marcus saysRacists ALWAYS hate being called out on it.
Huh? Wouldn't a totally innocent of racism person also ALWAYS hate to be called a racist? Which means everybody ALWAYS hate being called a racist whether they deserve it or not.
The comments from marcus are all over the map, and lack consistency or even self-awareness, calling everyone racist and/or "dimbulbs" merely to troll people. The comments have little or nothing to do with evidence nor reason. Instead, the obsession with "racism" reflects chronic, generalized, and overly emotional anger, e.g. about having failed at trading where "dimbulbs" (i.e., people who disagreed with marcus) did better.
I saw an interesting statistic recently, that exit surveys showed evangelical voters split sharply by color in 2016. A Muslim author presented that as evidence of racism, trying to accuse the white people of being racist. The opposite explanation seems more accurate. If the Democratic nominee had campaigned on paying to import thousands of white Nazis, on behalf of campaign backers including the manufacturers of Zyklon B, she would have lost in a landslide. Instead, she campaigned on paying to import thousands of Muslims, on behalf of backers including KSA. The founding Nazis agreed with the leading Muslims of their time that their doctrines were very similar, and 100k European Muslims joined the Nazi SS for that reason, but that history is now widely forgotten. Today, racists see only that most Nazis are white and most Muslims are brown. (Sinéad O'Connor is going to have to work on her tan so she can avoid seeing "white people" in the mirror.) So, the brown Evangelicals voted to import brown Nazis, while opposing white Nazis. That's racist.
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marcus
2018 Nov 25, 4:56pm
marcus
2018 Nov 25, 4:56pm
marcus says
Sorry if this triggered you CBOE. You could have just said, "good point."
Better to admit there are a lot of racists that back Trump and to disassociate yourself from them.
If you can't admit they are there, what the hell am I supposed to conclude ?
Sorry if this triggered you CBOE. You could have just said, "good point."
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Patrick
2018 Nov 25, 5:00pm
Patrick
2018 Nov 25, 5:00pm
Should people be judged on the content of their character, and not the color of their skin?
If so, like Morgan Freeman says we should simply ignore race and stop talking about it.
www.youtube.com/embed/I3cGfrExozQ
If so, like Morgan Freeman says we should simply ignore race and stop talking about it.
www.youtube.com/embed/I3cGfrExozQ
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marcus
2018 Nov 25, 5:11pm
marcus
2018 Nov 25, 5:11pm
Patrick says
I would like that.
Would that mean no more posts about black crime statistics or about how diversity is actually a bad thing ?
Remember the arguments about whether Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin or not ? It was interesting the way that opinions fell on that in this forum. To me race shouldn't have been a factor in that discussion, it was cut and dried. Zimmerman caused a young man's death, for no good reason. Period. The details of what happened were mostly based on Zimmerman's story. But what we know is that if Zimmerman had followed instructions Martin would be alive.
Had it been a cop stopping him it probably wouldn't have happened. Although we have a problem with loose trigger fingers on some cowardly cops in this country too.
If so, like Morgan Freeman says we should simply ignore race and stop talking about it.
I would like that.
Would that mean no more posts about black crime statistics or about how diversity is actually a bad thing ?
Remember the arguments about whether Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin or not ? It was interesting the way that opinions fell on that in this forum. To me race shouldn't have been a factor in that discussion, it was cut and dried. Zimmerman caused a young man's death, for no good reason. Period. The details of what happened were mostly based on Zimmerman's story. But what we know is that if Zimmerman had followed instructions Martin would be alive.
Had it been a cop stopping him it probably wouldn't have happened. Although we have a problem with loose trigger fingers on some cowardly cops in this country too.
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Shaman
2018 Nov 25, 5:50pm
Shaman
2018 Nov 25, 5:50pm
marcus says
Hah! You’ve done that yourself!
I've never heard anyone generalize that all Trump voters are racist.
Hah! You’ve done that yourself!
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Booger
2018 Nov 25, 5:52pm
Booger
2018 Nov 25, 5:52pm
Ceffer says
Make bread great again?
Panera claims Trump's rise was due to Panera yeast and they take all the credit.
Make bread great again?
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2018 Nov 25, 5:52pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2018 Nov 25, 5:52pm
marcus says
I'll remind you that part of your position on that matter was that the judgement in that case would have set "precedent".
I accurately, factually, informed you how precedent was created. The Trayvon Martin case had literally ZERO chance to set precedent. Nonetheless you pushed forward, head down.
I highly suspect you will not respond to the posting by Curious. I would if someone disparaged me in that manner. Of course, its not disparaging if its factually true.
Patrick saysIf so, like Morgan Freeman says we should simply ignore race and stop talking about it.
I would like that.
Would that mean no more posts about black crime statistics or about how diversity is actually a bad thing ?
Remember the arguments about whether Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin or not ? It was interesting the way that opinions fell on that in this forum. To me race shouldn't have been a factor in that discussion, it was cut and dried. Zimmerman caused a young man's death, for no good reason. Period. The details of what happened were mostly based on Zimmerman's story. But what we know is that if Zimmerman had followed instructions Martin would be alive.
Had it been a cop stopping him it probably wouldn't have happened. Although we have a problem with loose trigger fingers on some cowardly cops in this country too.
I'll remind you that part of your position on that matter was that the judgement in that case would have set "precedent".
I accurately, factually, informed you how precedent was created. The Trayvon Martin case had literally ZERO chance to set precedent. Nonetheless you pushed forward, head down.
I highly suspect you will not respond to the posting by Curious. I would if someone disparaged me in that manner. Of course, its not disparaging if its factually true.
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RWSGFY
2018 Nov 25, 6:08pm
RWSGFY
2018 Nov 25, 6:08pm
marcus says
Except that young man laid his hands on Zim first. For no good reason.
Zimmerman caused a young man's death, for no good reason.
Except that young man laid his hands on Zim first. For no good reason.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 25, 6:51pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 25, 6:51pm
Trayvon Martin was a burglar whom South Florida Authorities ignored because of their Obama-backed policy of downgrading felonies to misdemeanors or nothing.
To stop the "School to Prison" pipeline, simply by not enforcing the law.
Just after a family was robbed of women's gold Jewelry, Trayvon shows up with multiple hundred dollar bills on Social Media. Later, her jewelry is found in his school locker, but it goes to Lost and Found instead of the Evidence Locker, on purpose. The School LEOs are separate from the general LEOs, and Miami Dade is the only Florida county without an elected Sheriff.
Trayvon was also taller than Zimmerman, almost 6 feet tall, though the Media only showed pictures from years ago and selected the ones to make him look as non-threatening as possible.
To stop the "School to Prison" pipeline, simply by not enforcing the law.
Just after a family was robbed of women's gold Jewelry, Trayvon shows up with multiple hundred dollar bills on Social Media. Later, her jewelry is found in his school locker, but it goes to Lost and Found instead of the Evidence Locker, on purpose. The School LEOs are separate from the general LEOs, and Miami Dade is the only Florida county without an elected Sheriff.
Trayvon was also taller than Zimmerman, almost 6 feet tall, though the Media only showed pictures from years ago and selected the ones to make him look as non-threatening as possible.
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rdm
2018 Nov 25, 7:31pm
What did Trump talk about in the midterms? I heard very little about helping the displaced workers in America. It was mostly a message of fear. And bragging about how wonderful he was.
As to automation, pretty much anyone that has run a business will tell you that if a machine can take the place of or increase the productivity of a worker and the financials work they will choose the machine. This is just good business practice.
Machines have better work ethics and don't require health insurance or other benefits.Those manufacturing jobs will not come back in anyway near the quantity, they left. Watch the Fox com plant in Wisconsin. They were doomed regardless, just happened sooner with off shoring, NAFTA. The jobs that do return, many will require skill sets the displaced workers don't have. Like coal miners they are fucked and most know it, like the article said a hand granade, shrapnel everywhere, colateral damage is a desirable result for them.
As to automation, pretty much anyone that has run a business will tell you that if a machine can take the place of or increase the productivity of a worker and the financials work they will choose the machine. This is just good business practice.
Machines have better work ethics and don't require health insurance or other benefits.Those manufacturing jobs will not come back in anyway near the quantity, they left. Watch the Fox com plant in Wisconsin. They were doomed regardless, just happened sooner with off shoring, NAFTA. The jobs that do return, many will require skill sets the displaced workers don't have. Like coal miners they are fucked and most know it, like the article said a hand granade, shrapnel everywhere, colateral damage is a desirable result for them.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 25, 8:52pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 25, 8:52pm
rdm says
Thank you. Let's spread this message wide and far in the Rustbelt, in the Inner Cities, and many other places that have fallen victim to Democratic Economic Ideas, which include maintaining one-way Free Trade. So they can know which Party has irredeemably written them off and has no solutions.
Of course, this is false because even the modest changes Trump has wrought have brought in hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs that Obama claimed would never ever return.
Apparently Democrats have no solution to replace the manufacturing jobs that were the cornerstone to the American dream, since they fight for more H1Bs to insure that tech jobs go to tech coolies so Cook doesn't have to part with the mountain of cash they're sitting on.. No solution that doesn't involve massive Socialist redistribution, but that's not practical since the Dems depend on Big Tech and Big Finance staying in the US; they won't pay the huge tax increases required. They will simply move to HK/Toronto/London/Frankfurt/Singapore and use one-sided Free Trade to maintain their presence in the USA.
Democrats hate America. Not one Holiday, be it Columbus Day, Thanskgiving, or the 4th of July, they don't criticize as being innately Evil White Colonialism. What their SJW doesn't hate for being Toxic Male Whiteness, the Neoliberal Pelosi/Feinstein branch hatess for being Middle America, so their slogan is "How much faster can we offshore businesses?" and "Does it piss off Peoria."
Machines have better work ethics and don't require health insurance or other benefits.Those manufacturing jobs will not come back in anyway near the quantity, they left. Watch the Fox com plant in Wisconsin. They were doomed regardless, just happened sooner with off shoring, NAFTA. The jobs that do return, many will require skill sets the displaced workers don't have. Like coal miners they are fucked and most know it, like the article said a hand granade, shrapnel everywhere, colateral damage is a desirable result for them.
Thank you. Let's spread this message wide and far in the Rustbelt, in the Inner Cities, and many other places that have fallen victim to Democratic Economic Ideas, which include maintaining one-way Free Trade. So they can know which Party has irredeemably written them off and has no solutions.
Of course, this is false because even the modest changes Trump has wrought have brought in hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs that Obama claimed would never ever return.
Apparently Democrats have no solution to replace the manufacturing jobs that were the cornerstone to the American dream, since they fight for more H1Bs to insure that tech jobs go to tech coolies so Cook doesn't have to part with the mountain of cash they're sitting on.. No solution that doesn't involve massive Socialist redistribution, but that's not practical since the Dems depend on Big Tech and Big Finance staying in the US; they won't pay the huge tax increases required. They will simply move to HK/Toronto/London/Frankfurt/Singapore and use one-sided Free Trade to maintain their presence in the USA.
Democrats hate America. Not one Holiday, be it Columbus Day, Thanskgiving, or the 4th of July, they don't criticize as being innately Evil White Colonialism. What their SJW doesn't hate for being Toxic Male Whiteness, the Neoliberal Pelosi/Feinstein branch hatess for being Middle America, so their slogan is "How much faster can we offshore businesses?" and "Does it piss off Peoria."
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marcus
2018 Nov 25, 9:28pm
marcus
2018 Nov 25, 9:28pm
Quigley says
That's a lie, but I'm not surprised. Like Trump, lies are like oxygen to many Trump supporters. They just can't live without their lies.
Speaking of lies.
DASKAA says
We don't know that. All we know for sure is that Zimmerman came up on Martin in the dark of night, and according to Zimmerman demanded that he wait for the police. We don't know what happened and have absolutely zero reason to believe Zimmerman's story. He was instructed to wait and not to pursue. We know with 100% certainty that if it was murder, Zimmerman would have a story like this. IT's second degree murder at least. If his story is true, that's his problem for coming up on Martin in the first place armed and ready to kill.
This is the guy whose story you believe. I'm sure race has nothing to do with you finding this psycho asshole credible. Something like 10 public recorded incidents since the Martin killing showing how unhinged he is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman
marcus saysI've never heard anyone generalize that all Trump voters are racist.
Hah! You’ve done that yourself!
That's a lie, but I'm not surprised. Like Trump, lies are like oxygen to many Trump supporters. They just can't live without their lies.
Speaking of lies.
DASKAA says
marcus saysZimmerman caused a young man's death, for no good reason.
Except that young man laid his hands on Zim first. For no good reason.
We don't know that. All we know for sure is that Zimmerman came up on Martin in the dark of night, and according to Zimmerman demanded that he wait for the police. We don't know what happened and have absolutely zero reason to believe Zimmerman's story. He was instructed to wait and not to pursue. We know with 100% certainty that if it was murder, Zimmerman would have a story like this. IT's second degree murder at least. If his story is true, that's his problem for coming up on Martin in the first place armed and ready to kill.
This is the guy whose story you believe. I'm sure race has nothing to do with you finding this psycho asshole credible. Something like 10 public recorded incidents since the Martin killing showing how unhinged he is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman
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marcus
2018 Nov 25, 9:43pm
marcus
2018 Nov 25, 9:43pm
CovfefeButDeadly says
I have him on ignore, but I saw it (sort of - didn't read the whole thing). He's obsessed with me.
IF you think that what I say sounds that unreasoned as he says, I'm not going to get in an infinite argument defending my point of view. Feel free to take issue to something specific I say, if you want a response.
I didn't read his nonsense very closely, but I saw he said something like I'm just upset becasue I failed at trading. Wtf ?
I feel sorry for the guy. He has a lot of hate towards me, becasue of times I corrected him in the past. In my view he's possibly most emotionally dysfunctional person on Patrick.net. His posts about me are almost 100% lies. I'm not going to go back and look at it. I saw several lies and the sad comment about my being upset becasue I failed at trading. (by the way - it's true I'm not a floor trader since 1993 which I guess is the basis of that comment).
Honestly, I just feel sorry for the guy at this point. I hope he gets much needed help.
I highly suspect you will not respond to the posting by Curious. I would if someone disparaged me in that manner. Of course, its not disparaging if its factually true.
I have him on ignore, but I saw it (sort of - didn't read the whole thing). He's obsessed with me.
IF you think that what I say sounds that unreasoned as he says, I'm not going to get in an infinite argument defending my point of view. Feel free to take issue to something specific I say, if you want a response.
I didn't read his nonsense very closely, but I saw he said something like I'm just upset becasue I failed at trading. Wtf ?
I feel sorry for the guy. He has a lot of hate towards me, becasue of times I corrected him in the past. In my view he's possibly most emotionally dysfunctional person on Patrick.net. His posts about me are almost 100% lies. I'm not going to go back and look at it. I saw several lies and the sad comment about my being upset becasue I failed at trading. (by the way - it's true I'm not a floor trader since 1993 which I guess is the basis of that comment).
Honestly, I just feel sorry for the guy at this point. I hope he gets much needed help.
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curious2
2018 Nov 25, 10:51pm
curious2
2018 Nov 25, 10:51pm
marcus says
Please look up the words "lie" and "true". As you admit, what I said was true. If you can cite examples of lies, or even where you have "corrected" me about anything, please post. I can easily cite examples of your many emotional explosions insulting many PatNet users, including name-calling and profanity. You deleted a whole thread where I proved you wrong about a rule of math, which you claim (incredibly) to teach. It appears that you call a "lie" any true fact that you dislike, but that isn't what "lie" means.
For examples of actual lies, look at your own baseless accusations against me. You fail even at pretending to ignore me. Most of my comments have nothing to do with you, but on any occasion when I bother to point out one or more of your many errors, your cognitive dissonance impels you to try to 'retaliate' by fabricating false accusations, aka lies.
He has a lot of hate towards me, becasue of times I corrected him in the past... His posts about me are almost 100% lies... I saw several lies and the sad comment about my being upset becasue I failed at trading. (by the way - it's true I'm not a floor trader since 1993 which I guess is the basis of that comment).
Please look up the words "lie" and "true". As you admit, what I said was true. If you can cite examples of lies, or even where you have "corrected" me about anything, please post. I can easily cite examples of your many emotional explosions insulting many PatNet users, including name-calling and profanity. You deleted a whole thread where I proved you wrong about a rule of math, which you claim (incredibly) to teach. It appears that you call a "lie" any true fact that you dislike, but that isn't what "lie" means.
For examples of actual lies, look at your own baseless accusations against me. You fail even at pretending to ignore me. Most of my comments have nothing to do with you, but on any occasion when I bother to point out one or more of your many errors, your cognitive dissonance impels you to try to 'retaliate' by fabricating false accusations, aka lies.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 25, 11:29pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 25, 11:29pm
marcus says
What reason do we have to believe Martin, who previously burgled a house? Either that, or some other burglar stored the jewelry he stole in Martin's High School Locker which he somehow could access, and that Martin's pictures of himself with several hundred dollar bills are from him, uh, I have no idea.
if he stole from one house, how do we know he wasn't casing another house?
We don't know what happened and have absolutely zero reason to believe Zimmerman's story
What reason do we have to believe Martin, who previously burgled a house? Either that, or some other burglar stored the jewelry he stole in Martin's High School Locker which he somehow could access, and that Martin's pictures of himself with several hundred dollar bills are from him, uh, I have no idea.
if he stole from one house, how do we know he wasn't casing another house?
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clambo
2018 Nov 26, 7:08am
Most people I know who have a brain and 1. don't work for government 2. isn't a foreigner 3. isn't in HUD housing, food stamps, etc. voted for Trump.
The poor blacks know they are competing with foreigners for 1 govt. services 2. jobs
The "working class" people know they pay taxes to put the illegals' kids in school. This just happened in my small town; they raised property taxes to "pay for schools". I just drove by the local school and the kids in the field running around were largely children of illegals. Yeah, I can tell by how they look and that's not being "racist".
The self-employed wanted to repeal Obamacare mostly. Self-employed people are probably the most aware of the tax code and how it affects them also. The self-employed knew Hillary was going to keep fucking them over.
Many tech people were "outsourced" in the USA by H1-B visas from India, etc. Disney World and Compaq are examples I know of. Many professional people are concerned with an influx of foreign workers.
Simply put; importing workers impoverishes most Americans and lowers our standard of living and wages.
More astute voters would realize that importing foreigners and giving them access to free health care will further bankrupt the USA.
The poor blacks know they are competing with foreigners for 1 govt. services 2. jobs
The "working class" people know they pay taxes to put the illegals' kids in school. This just happened in my small town; they raised property taxes to "pay for schools". I just drove by the local school and the kids in the field running around were largely children of illegals. Yeah, I can tell by how they look and that's not being "racist".
The self-employed wanted to repeal Obamacare mostly. Self-employed people are probably the most aware of the tax code and how it affects them also. The self-employed knew Hillary was going to keep fucking them over.
Many tech people were "outsourced" in the USA by H1-B visas from India, etc. Disney World and Compaq are examples I know of. Many professional people are concerned with an influx of foreign workers.
Simply put; importing workers impoverishes most Americans and lowers our standard of living and wages.
More astute voters would realize that importing foreigners and giving them access to free health care will further bankrupt the USA.
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mell
2018 Nov 26, 8:28am
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Martin was a thug and had it coming for him. Facts don't lie. The media does.
marcus saysWe don't know what happened and have absolutely zero reason to believe Zimmerman's story
What reason do we have to believe Martin, who previously burgled a house? Either that, or some other burglar stored the jewelry he stole in Martin's High School Locker which he somehow could access, and that Martin's pictures of himself with several hundred dollar bills are from him, uh, I have no idea.
if he stole from one house, how do we know he wasn't casing another house?
Martin was a thug and had it coming for him. Facts don't lie. The media does.
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2018 Nov 26, 1:07pm
Left has been really trying to hide economic issues, and promoting all attention to "save the gays, trannies and feminists". Party was taken over by stupid. Of course they lost. Especially when people come with economic woes, and liberals ignore these.
NPR went out of their way to make sure all conversation was about increasing taxes to save the golden pension system for government, fuck the private sector employees who can barely afford taxes.
NPR went out of their way to make sure all conversation was about increasing taxes to save the golden pension system for government, fuck the private sector employees who can barely afford taxes.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 26, 1:26pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 26, 1:26pm
MegaForce says
Correct. The list of things the US can't produce at all or in quantities is very limited.
The only big ticket item necessary for daily life we have to import is Coffee, since Hawaii couldn't begin to supply the daily need. And maybe Bananas.
From Iron to Oil, from Coal to Cars, from Soybeans to Superconductors, from Borax to Beef, the US is or has been and could easilly be, self-sufficient.
While other nations are patently SCREWED if they are cut off from trade with the US or if the world trading system we set up but are not abandoning (irrespective of whomever is in the WH...Trump is just accelerating the process and undiplomatically shitting openly over the rest of the world about it while doing so).
Correct. The list of things the US can't produce at all or in quantities is very limited.
The only big ticket item necessary for daily life we have to import is Coffee, since Hawaii couldn't begin to supply the daily need. And maybe Bananas.
From Iron to Oil, from Coal to Cars, from Soybeans to Superconductors, from Borax to Beef, the US is or has been and could easilly be, self-sufficient.
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2018 Nov 26, 1:29pm
Democratic party voices summarized: "Regulate, regulate, restrict, restrict, LGBT rights, regulate, regulate, tax, tax, tax, tax, government unions are holy, tax, tax, tax, if you disagree with us you are a bigot racist bad person, disagreement is a thought crime".
That's a good reason why they lost.
That's a good reason why they lost.
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curious2
2018 Nov 26, 2:40pm
curious2
2018 Nov 26, 2:40pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
California grows coffee, although at higher cost. Hawaii and Puerto Rico can grow bananas.
The only big ticket item necessary for daily life we have to import is Coffee, since Hawaii couldn't begin to supply the daily need. And maybe Bananas.
California grows coffee, although at higher cost. Hawaii and Puerto Rico can grow bananas.
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curious2
2018 Nov 26, 2:44pm
curious2
2018 Nov 26, 2:44pm
MegaForce says
California grows wine too, even sparkling wine with grapes from Champagne. Chandon sparkling wine is made the French way by Moët & Chandon, using the same grapes. California is a truly amazing place, contrary to what some comments on PatNet might have you believe.
Or simply just do without, like French wine.
California grows wine too, even sparkling wine with grapes from Champagne. Chandon sparkling wine is made the French way by Moët & Chandon, using the same grapes. California is a truly amazing place, contrary to what some comments on PatNet might have you believe.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 26, 2:51pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 26, 2:51pm
MegaForce says
German Beer and French Wine should be banned from importation until the agree to accept our Poultry. This has gone on since the 50s, long before Factory Farm Chicken, Europeans were tariffing the hell out of our agra products. It's time to just ban their crap, only pain will ensure compliance with Free Trade.
Or simply just do without, like French wine.
German Beer and French Wine should be banned from importation until the agree to accept our Poultry. This has gone on since the 50s, long before Factory Farm Chicken, Europeans were tariffing the hell out of our agra products. It's time to just ban their crap, only pain will ensure compliance with Free Trade.
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theoakman
2018 Nov 26, 3:21pm
Speaking of Panera, I'm sitting in one right now. They want $5 for soup? Haha...not happening.
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Heraclitusstudent
2018 Nov 26, 3:32pm
Heraclitusstudent
2018 Nov 26, 3:32pm
Patrick says
More like a middle finger. He's good at being a middle finger.
He added, “Trump is a human hand grenade to blow up a society that isn’t working for big swatches of America.”
More like a middle finger. He's good at being a middle finger.
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mell
2018 Nov 26, 4:08pm
APHAman says
This has been discussed and proven ad nauseam. Martin had a checkered past, was in the gated community Zim thought to protect and threw the first of many punches. Case closed.
mell saysTwoScoopsOfSpaceForce saysmarcus saysWe don't know what happened and have absolutely zero reason to believe Zimmerman's story
What reason do we have to believe Martin, who previously burgled a house? Either that, or some other burglar stored the jewelry he stole in Martin's High School Locker which he somehow could access, and that Martin's pictures of himself with several hundred dollar bills are from him, uh, I have no idea.
if he stole from one house, how do we know he wasn't casing another house?
Martin was a thug and had it coming for him. Facts don't lie. The media does.
How do you know that he was a thug who had it coming to him? I could say the same about the pussy that murdered him, for certain.
This has been discussed and proven ad nauseam. Martin had a checkered past, was in the gated community Zim thought to protect and threw the first of many punches. Case closed.
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Bd6r
2018 Nov 26, 5:39pm
Bd6r
2018 Nov 26, 5:39pm
mell says
Media even invented a new racial term - "white Hispanic" after they discovered that Zimmerman is a Hispanic, because an oppressed Hispanic could not have shot a black guy
Zim thought to protect
Media even invented a new racial term - "white Hispanic" after they discovered that Zimmerman is a Hispanic, because an oppressed Hispanic could not have shot a black guy
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mell
2018 Nov 26, 6:13pm
d6rB says
Right. And it was easy for them since the last name wouldn't give it away. Also blacks are more oppressed on the leftist plantation than Hispanics. They also omitted a lengthy part of convo with the operator so that it sounded like "he's black, they are up to no good" or something like that when in reality the description was completely disassociated from the "up to no good" comment as it happened much earlier in the convo, but by editing the tape and cutting out the stuff in the middle they concocted their racially motivated crime. That was sort of a turning point for the eventually failed last ditch efforts to keep honesty in the mainstream media, and fake news became completely acceptable.
mell saysZim thought to protect
Media even invented a new racial term - "white Hispanic" after they discovered that Zimmerman is a Hispanic, because an oppressed Hispanic could not have shot a black guy
Right. And it was easy for them since the last name wouldn't give it away. Also blacks are more oppressed on the leftist plantation than Hispanics. They also omitted a lengthy part of convo with the operator so that it sounded like "he's black, they are up to no good" or something like that when in reality the description was completely disassociated from the "up to no good" comment as it happened much earlier in the convo, but by editing the tape and cutting out the stuff in the middle they concocted their racially motivated crime. That was sort of a turning point for the eventually failed last ditch efforts to keep honesty in the mainstream media, and fake news became completely acceptable.
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Automan Empire
2018 Nov 26, 6:42pm
Automan Empire
2018 Nov 26, 6:42pm
Patrick says
Liberals don't send jobs to China, and Liberals have been the ones warning about the consequences to American workers and wages when plants are literally dismantled and shipped to China machines and all. Capitalists, virtually all of them GOP voters and donors, are the ones shipping the jobs and pocketing the proceeds. This is about as antipodal to socialism as you can get. Tragically funny to watch Trump voters blame "the socialist left" for the actions of capitalism, while aiding and abetting the capitalist oligarchs like good useful idiots.
As for immigration, leaving the system broken as-is benefits oligarchs as well. Liberals are less about "bring in economic immigrants" than they are about "Don't lay the blame at the feet of the people who want the jobs while ignoring the traitorous Americans offering them under the table." Notice the way they showboat these stings of individual 7-11 stores that use a lot of resources and manpower to bust 1-2 illegals per location while ignoring jobsites like construction and meat packing where hundreds could be caught per location.
Tell us, what is the point of the gratuitous "that liberals won't admit" if not to assist nonliberals in not admitting their own gross misunderstanding of the issues and resulting complicity in the problems mentioned?
So the real cause, which liberals won't admit, is simply that millions of jobs have been exported to China, and millions of illegals have been imported from Mexico.
Liberals don't send jobs to China, and Liberals have been the ones warning about the consequences to American workers and wages when plants are literally dismantled and shipped to China machines and all. Capitalists, virtually all of them GOP voters and donors, are the ones shipping the jobs and pocketing the proceeds. This is about as antipodal to socialism as you can get. Tragically funny to watch Trump voters blame "the socialist left" for the actions of capitalism, while aiding and abetting the capitalist oligarchs like good useful idiots.
As for immigration, leaving the system broken as-is benefits oligarchs as well. Liberals are less about "bring in economic immigrants" than they are about "Don't lay the blame at the feet of the people who want the jobs while ignoring the traitorous Americans offering them under the table." Notice the way they showboat these stings of individual 7-11 stores that use a lot of resources and manpower to bust 1-2 illegals per location while ignoring jobsites like construction and meat packing where hundreds could be caught per location.
Tell us, what is the point of the gratuitous "that liberals won't admit" if not to assist nonliberals in not admitting their own gross misunderstanding of the issues and resulting complicity in the problems mentioned?
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Bd6r
2018 Nov 26, 6:49pm
Bd6r
2018 Nov 26, 6:49pm
Automan Empire says
dog and pony show, both sides unite to screw over blue collar workers. I still have not seen a good explanation from the Right why the E-verify has not been introduced. From left, what I hear is that "no human being is illegal" which does not help either
Liberals don't send jobs to China, and Liberals have been the ones warning about the consequences to American workers and wages when plants are literally dismantled and shipped to China machines and all. Capitalists, virtually all of them GOP voters and donors, are the ones shipping the jobs and pocketing the proceeds. This is about as antipodal to socialism as you can get. Tragically funny to watch Trump voters blame "the socialist left" for the actions of capitalism, while aiding and abetting the capitalist oligarchs like good useful idiots.
As for immigration, leaving the system broken as-is benefits oligarchs as well. Liberals are less about "bring in economic immigrants" than they are about "Don't lay the blame at the feet of the people who want the jobs while ignoring the traitorous Americans offering them under the table." Notice the way they showboat these stings of individual 7-11 stores that use a lot of resources and manpower to bust 1-2 illegals per location w...
dog and pony show, both sides unite to screw over blue collar workers. I still have not seen a good explanation from the Right why the E-verify has not been introduced. From left, what I hear is that "no human being is illegal" which does not help either
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 26, 6:52pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 26, 6:52pm
d6rB says
There is no excuse. The GOPe, the Flake, Ryan, and Mittens types, are as equally dedicated to no E-Verify as the Democrats.
dog and pony show, both sides unite to screw over blue collar workers. I still have not seen a good explanation from the Right why the E-verify has not been introduced. From left, what I hear is that "no human being is illegal" which does not help either
There is no excuse. The GOPe, the Flake, Ryan, and Mittens types, are as equally dedicated to no E-Verify as the Democrats.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 26, 6:53pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 26, 6:53pm
Automan Empire says
"Those Manufacturing Jobs aren't coming back".
They didn't vanish, they went to China. Dems literally did nothing when they controlled the House to retaliate for Chinese unfair trade practices. They threw money at GM with no mandate that they save US jobs first, for example.
Their Chinese and Big Tech Company donors (esp. Amazon) wouldn't allow that.
Liberals don't send jobs to China, and Liberals have been the ones warning about the consequences to American workers and wages when plants are literally dismantled and shipped to China machines and all. Capitalists, virtually all of them GOP voters and donors, are the ones shipping the jobs and pocketing the proceeds
"Those Manufacturing Jobs aren't coming back".
They didn't vanish, they went to China. Dems literally did nothing when they controlled the House to retaliate for Chinese unfair trade practices. They threw money at GM with no mandate that they save US jobs first, for example.
Their Chinese and Big Tech Company donors (esp. Amazon) wouldn't allow that.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 26, 6:55pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Nov 26, 6:55pm
Automan Empire says
Democrats also didn't fix the "Investor" scam, where one family member buys a service company, gets a visa and tax benefit, then sells it on to another family member once the tax benefits expire and the citizenship is permanent. Gas Stations, Convenience Stores, and "less than 40 Room Hotels" across the country, none of which require international capital to function and almost all were pre-existing enterprises when pruchased by an "investor" from South Asia.
As for immigration, leaving the system broken as-is benefits oligarchs as well. Liberals are less about "bring in economic immigrants" than they are about "Don't lay the blame at the feet of the people who want the jobs while ignoring the traitorous Americans offering them under the table." Notice the way they showboat these stings of individual 7-11 stores that use a lot of resources and manpower to bust 1-2 illegals per location while ignoring jobsites like construction and meat packing where hundreds could be caught per location.
Democrats also didn't fix the "Investor" scam, where one family member buys a service company, gets a visa and tax benefit, then sells it on to another family member once the tax benefits expire and the citizenship is permanent. Gas Stations, Convenience Stores, and "less than 40 Room Hotels" across the country, none of which require international capital to function and almost all were pre-existing enterprises when pruchased by an "investor" from South Asia.
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LastMan
2018 Nov 26, 7:06pm
Patrick says
This isn't new. It's been going on for decades regardless of who is in power. So far I'm unconvinced that Trump is actually accomplishing anything to counter the trend. If Trump can get something vaguely resembling a balanced budget and finalized trade deals, and still see decent employment numbers, then I'm on board with Team Trump. Right now all I'm seeing is big time Keynsian deficit spending combined with low interest rates goosing the economy.
So the real cause, which liberals won't admit, is simply that millions of jobs have been exported to China, and millions of illegals have been imported from Mexico.
This isn't new. It's been going on for decades regardless of who is in power. So far I'm unconvinced that Trump is actually accomplishing anything to counter the trend. If Trump can get something vaguely resembling a balanced budget and finalized trade deals, and still see decent employment numbers, then I'm on board with Team Trump. Right now all I'm seeing is big time Keynsian deficit spending combined with low interest rates goosing the economy.
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marcus
2018 Nov 26, 9:04pm
marcus
2018 Nov 26, 9:04pm
Fortwaynemobile says
Public sector employees can't afford taxes any more than private sector employees, and they usually make less.
Arguing for public sector compensation to be lowered is exactly what the oligarchs want you to argue.. Because then after = they lower our pay, they can cut private sector pay more too. It's a race to the bottom. Funny you guys are always accusing liberal of being envious of the rich. Sounds like projection.
mell says
Yes right. BY your reasoning, if he had ever done any type of criminal behavior, as a teen, then he deserved to have a seriously emotionally challenged drug addict come up on him and instigate a fight and then kill him.
Speaking of facts. You clearly have never perused the facts on Zimmermean. Now that guy fits the description of a thug.
MY theory is that Zimmerman's neighborhood watch role was a cover for his burglery activities to cover his coke (or what ever his speedy drug of choice was). Killing Martin was a way for him to direct attention away from himself for the crimes he had committed.
https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/george-zimmerman-threatens-to-feed-man-to-gator-over-trayvon-martin-movie-deputies-say/745430416
https://newsone.com/2016433/george-zimmerman-drugs/
fuck the private sector employees who can barely afford taxes.
Public sector employees can't afford taxes any more than private sector employees, and they usually make less.
Arguing for public sector compensation to be lowered is exactly what the oligarchs want you to argue.. Because then after = they lower our pay, they can cut private sector pay more too. It's a race to the bottom. Funny you guys are always accusing liberal of being envious of the rich. Sounds like projection.
mell says
Facts don't lie
Yes right. BY your reasoning, if he had ever done any type of criminal behavior, as a teen, then he deserved to have a seriously emotionally challenged drug addict come up on him and instigate a fight and then kill him.
Speaking of facts. You clearly have never perused the facts on Zimmermean. Now that guy fits the description of a thug.
MY theory is that Zimmerman's neighborhood watch role was a cover for his burglery activities to cover his coke (or what ever his speedy drug of choice was). Killing Martin was a way for him to direct attention away from himself for the crimes he had committed.
https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/george-zimmerman-threatens-to-feed-man-to-gator-over-trayvon-martin-movie-deputies-say/745430416
https://newsone.com/2016433/george-zimmerman-drugs/
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MrMagic
2018 Nov 26, 9:27pm
MrMagic
2018 Nov 26, 9:27pm
marcus says
marcus says
Facts.... OK, since you asked:
...."Overall, total compensation for federal workers was 17 percent higher, on average, than for comparable workers in the private sector during 2011-2015, CBO found. It was 16 percent higher for the period of 2005-2010, the budget office found in its earlier study.
The cost of providing benefits for federal civilian workers from 2011-2015 was estimated to be 47 percent higher on average than for comparable private sector employees."
https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2017/04/overall-public-private-sector-compensation-gap-has-widened-cbo-finds/137324/
Still think public sector makes "less"?
Speaking of facts.
marcus says
Public sector employees can't afford taxes any more than private sector employees, and they usually make less.
Facts.... OK, since you asked:
...."Overall, total compensation for federal workers was 17 percent higher, on average, than for comparable workers in the private sector during 2011-2015, CBO found. It was 16 percent higher for the period of 2005-2010, the budget office found in its earlier study.
The cost of providing benefits for federal civilian workers from 2011-2015 was estimated to be 47 percent higher on average than for comparable private sector employees."
https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2017/04/overall-public-private-sector-compensation-gap-has-widened-cbo-finds/137324/
Still think public sector makes "less"?
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curious2
2018 Nov 26, 10:15pm
curious2
2018 Nov 26, 10:15pm
MrMagic says
There is also less accountability. Government jobs tend to be staff jobs, and subject to the psychological dramas and office politics that can afflict staff jobs, but they tend to lack the accountability that the private sector tends to have. For example, it seems almost anyone can claim to be a public school math teacher, but private tutors have to struggle and compete with online services. The private tutors are often working harder for less, especially if they have to compete with illegal immigrants.
total compensation
There is also less accountability. Government jobs tend to be staff jobs, and subject to the psychological dramas and office politics that can afflict staff jobs, but they tend to lack the accountability that the private sector tends to have. For example, it seems almost anyone can claim to be a public school math teacher, but private tutors have to struggle and compete with online services. The private tutors are often working harder for less, especially if they have to compete with illegal immigrants.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Nov 27, 4:32am
CBOEtrader
2018 Nov 27, 4:32am
APHAman says
Anyone who left the floor 25 years ago is a winner. Not a joke. That place sucked the life out of half the professionals i knew in my 20's. Chicago is littered w the remains of actual failed traders. Marcus deserves applause for finding a normal career path starting at a place like the trading pits.
marcus saysHe has a lot of hate towards me, becasue of times I corrected him in the past... His posts about me are almost 100% lies... I saw several lies and the sad comment about my being upset becasue I failed at trading. (by the way - it's true I'm not a floor trader since 1993 which I guess is the basis of that comment
Anyone who left the floor 25 years ago is a winner. Not a joke. That place sucked the life out of half the professionals i knew in my 20's. Chicago is littered w the remains of actual failed traders. Marcus deserves applause for finding a normal career path starting at a place like the trading pits.
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So the real cause, which liberals won't admit, is simply that millions of jobs have been exported to China, and millions of illegals have been imported from Mexico.
Instead, they just call suffering people "racist" over and over and over. Not a way to win friends and influence people who still (for now) have the right to vote.