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Is is possible to get the government to work for the people?
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2018 Dec 9, 4:23pm 2,905 views 33 comments
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marcus
2018 Dec 9, 5:37pm
marcus
2018 Dec 9, 5:37pm
Patrick says
Not to IDW solving this problem.
But here's a good short one.
www.youtube.com/embed/XC-76R1qOqg
Of course a far left person would consider this next one "alt right."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1opHWsHr798&t=5785s
How about Sam Harris and Peterson at their debate ? This is sort of like a much better articulated and intelligent version of the debate I used to have on here with Dan. Petersons position is very close mine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhBHavDPhNM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEf6X-FueMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmXq97do-tQ
Got links?
Not to IDW solving this problem.
But here's a good short one.
www.youtube.com/embed/XC-76R1qOqg
Of course a far left person would consider this next one "alt right."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1opHWsHr798&t=5785s
How about Sam Harris and Peterson at their debate ? This is sort of like a much better articulated and intelligent version of the debate I used to have on here with Dan. Petersons position is very close mine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhBHavDPhNM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEf6X-FueMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmXq97do-tQ
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mell
2018 Dec 9, 6:16pm
Part of it is the problem Patrick mentioned, but the other part is that today's generations are addicted to consumerism. Back in the days some families didn't have TV at all, many grew up without any cable channels and if you didn't like the way somebody did business you would not patronize them. And while there are some monopolies it is pretty easy these days to find alternatives if you needed to, or assert yourself if you stick with fuckCast. I mean don't do business with them if you don't like their practices. These days yo get free wi-fi everywhere and watching TV makes yo dumber anyways.They are selling products nobody needs.
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NuttBoxer
2018 Dec 10, 9:31am
NuttBoxer
2018 Dec 10, 9:31am
Patrick says
Limited government yes. Local government, definitely. Behemoth central government, never.
Is is possible to get the government to work for the people?
Limited government yes. Local government, definitely. Behemoth central government, never.
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Tenpoundbass
2018 Dec 10, 10:55am
Tenpoundbass
2018 Dec 10, 10:55am
I cancel Cable it by canceling the debit card tied to the bill pay service.
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Tenpoundbass
2018 Dec 10, 10:57am
Tenpoundbass
2018 Dec 10, 10:57am
Also cut the cord outside coming into the house.
They can't bill you for service you didn't receive.
That's how you deal with the Zombie service where they try to bill you even after canceled.
They can't bill you for service you didn't receive.
That's how you deal with the Zombie service where they try to bill you even after canceled.
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RWSGFY
2018 Dec 10, 10:58am
RWSGFY
2018 Dec 10, 10:58am
What do you mean "impossible to cancel"? It's a simple three-step process:
1) write an e-mail to Comcast and ask them to cancel your service on a certain date;
2) dispute a recurring transaction with you cc carrier stating that you've cancelled the service and revoke the authorisation to charge your cc.
3) (optional) go to your fridge and grab a bottle of cold beer.
1) write an e-mail to Comcast and ask them to cancel your service on a certain date;
2) dispute a recurring transaction with you cc carrier stating that you've cancelled the service and revoke the authorisation to charge your cc.
3) (optional) go to your fridge and grab a bottle of cold beer.
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Heraclitusstudent
2018 Dec 10, 11:49am
Heraclitusstudent
2018 Dec 10, 11:49am
DASKAA says
Then spend years in legal litigation with "collection agencies" trying to get you.
2) dispute a recurring transaction with you cc carrier stating that you've cancelled the service and revoke the authorisation to charge your cc.
Then spend years in legal litigation with "collection agencies" trying to get you.
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Heraclitusstudent
2018 Dec 10, 11:52am
Heraclitusstudent
2018 Dec 10, 11:52am
Patrick says
A - go live in France. Express you anger in the street.
B - own a gun to reassure yourself. Don't struggle too much while they fleece you.
@marcus What is your solution then?
A - go live in France. Express you anger in the street.
B - own a gun to reassure yourself. Don't struggle too much while they fleece you.
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RWSGFY
2018 Dec 10, 12:05pm
RWSGFY
2018 Dec 10, 12:05pm
Heraclitusstudent says
Nope. I've cancelled multiple of "hard to cancel" services (food, wine, internet, phone) like this and didn't spend a single second in "legal litigation". The money involved are trivial for any kind of collection agency to get even remotely interested.
Besides, what kind of legal standing, say, ISP would have when asking to be paid for services you didn't de-facto receive? There is none.
DASKAA says2) dispute a recurring transaction with you cc carrier stating that you've cancelled the service and revoke the authorisation to charge your cc.
Then spend years in legal litigation with "collection agencies" trying to get you.
Nope. I've cancelled multiple of "hard to cancel" services (food, wine, internet, phone) like this and didn't spend a single second in "legal litigation". The money involved are trivial for any kind of collection agency to get even remotely interested.
Besides, what kind of legal standing, say, ISP would have when asking to be paid for services you didn't de-facto receive? There is none.
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Bd6r
2018 Dec 10, 12:07pm
Bd6r
2018 Dec 10, 12:07pm
Heraclitusstudent says
And accomplish nothing.
Heraclitusstudent says
And also accomplish nothing.
A - go live in France. Express you anger in the street.
And accomplish nothing.
Heraclitusstudent says
B - own a gun to reassure yourself. Don't struggle too much while they fleece you.
And also accomplish nothing.
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Ceffer
2018 Dec 10, 12:14pm
Ceffer
2018 Dec 10, 12:14pm
Patrick says
Haven't read "The Dictator's Handbook" yet, huh?
Is is possible to get the government to work for the people?
Haven't read "The Dictator's Handbook" yet, huh?
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Patrick
2018 Dec 10, 8:53pm
Patrick
2018 Dec 10, 8:53pm
Ceffer says
Had not heard of it @Ceffer Now it's on my reading list, thanks!
Haven't read "The Dictator's Handbook" yet, huh?
Had not heard of it @Ceffer Now it's on my reading list, thanks!
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Patrick
2018 Dec 10, 8:55pm
Patrick
2018 Dec 10, 8:55pm
Tenpoundbass says
Hey @Tenpoundbass I like this idea. Some monthly services like Comcast demand to be paid with a "credit card" but I be they'd take a debit card, where I can put in only as much money as I want to pay.
Is it hard to get multiple debit cards for that purpose?
I cancel Cable it by canceling the debit card tied to the bill pay service.
Hey @Tenpoundbass I like this idea. Some monthly services like Comcast demand to be paid with a "credit card" but I be they'd take a debit card, where I can put in only as much money as I want to pay.
Is it hard to get multiple debit cards for that purpose?
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Patrick
2018 Dec 10, 9:03pm
Patrick
2018 Dec 10, 9:03pm
DASKAA says
Lol, what email address? Comcast does not give out any email address that they read.
I did write paper letters to both Comcast and my credit card, revoking permission to charge from both ends. Hopefully that will work.
I tried the "front door" but was told I needed to talk in person to a person from Comcast who will argue that I should not cancel. I got a voice mail today, but won't work all that hard at calling back. I'll give it 5 minutes top, and if that doesn't work, just rely on the letters I sent today.
What do you mean "impossible to cancel"? It's a simple three-step process:
1) write an e-mail to Comcast and ask them to cancel your service on a certain date;
2) dispute a recurring transaction with you cc carrier stating that you've cancelled the service and revoke the authorisation to charge your cc.
3) (optional) go to your fridge and grab a bottle of cold beer.
Lol, what email address? Comcast does not give out any email address that they read.
I did write paper letters to both Comcast and my credit card, revoking permission to charge from both ends. Hopefully that will work.
I tried the "front door" but was told I needed to talk in person to a person from Comcast who will argue that I should not cancel. I got a voice mail today, but won't work all that hard at calling back. I'll give it 5 minutes top, and if that doesn't work, just rely on the letters I sent today.
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GNL
2018 Dec 11, 6:11am
GNL
2018 Dec 11, 6:11am
Tenpoundbass says
I did something similar. I had a direct deposit to a lender that I wanted to stop paying so I closed my bank account and moved to a different bank. The original bank kept opening my account back up and paying my lender and charged me overdraft fees. After fighting with the bank over the phone, I went into the bank lobby and yelled..."If I don't get my account closed right now and permanently, I'm calling the police". 3 bank people came running and fell all over themselves to take care of me. The bank manager put $100 in my hand with his business card and told me to call him personally if I had any further problems. The bank was Bank of America. Fuckers.
I cancel Cable it by canceling the debit card tied to the bill pay service.
I did something similar. I had a direct deposit to a lender that I wanted to stop paying so I closed my bank account and moved to a different bank. The original bank kept opening my account back up and paying my lender and charged me overdraft fees. After fighting with the bank over the phone, I went into the bank lobby and yelled..."If I don't get my account closed right now and permanently, I'm calling the police". 3 bank people came running and fell all over themselves to take care of me. The bank manager put $100 in my hand with his business card and told me to call him personally if I had any further problems. The bank was Bank of America. Fuckers.
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GNL
2018 Dec 11, 6:19am
GNL
2018 Dec 11, 6:19am
DASKAA says
Step Pre-#1
Move
What do you mean "impossible to cancel"? It's a simple three-step process:
1) write an e-mail to Comcast and ask them to cancel your service on a certain date;
2) dispute a recurring transaction with you cc carrier stating that you've cancelled the service and revoke the authorisation to charge your cc.
3) (optional) go to your fridge and grab a bottle of cold beer.
Step Pre-#1
Move
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Bd6r
2018 Dec 11, 9:10am
Bd6r
2018 Dec 11, 9:10am
marcus says
My state should execute a few corporations. After that, they will not want to be people any more.
Corporations are people.
My state should execute a few corporations. After that, they will not want to be people any more.
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Shaman
2018 Dec 11, 2:02pm
Shaman
2018 Dec 11, 2:02pm
Patrick says
It’s an enlightening read! I got a referral for that one a year and a half ago on this very site and bought the audiobook.
Had not heard of it @Ceffer Now it's on my reading list, thanks!
It’s an enlightening read! I got a referral for that one a year and a half ago on this very site and bought the audiobook.
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Shaman
2018 Dec 11, 2:05pm
Shaman
2018 Dec 11, 2:05pm
WineHorror1 says
I ran into this also with a gym membership. Cancelled the card but kept getting new charges filed. Finally I reported the card stolen and that did the trick.
The original bank kept opening my account back up and paying my lender and charged me overdraft fees.
I ran into this also with a gym membership. Cancelled the card but kept getting new charges filed. Finally I reported the card stolen and that did the trick.
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mell
2018 Dec 11, 4:14pm
Patrick says
My experiences have been better. Canceling service was as easy as calling them and took less than 5 minutes. I think they have improved from previous years. But canceling via email I have not heard of either for Comcast. Most CC companies allow you to block vendors and recurring charges and end up 90% of the time on your side. Theoretically the vendor can still sue you outside of the CC realm, but they prob never do that for a small amount as it will cost them too much.
DASKAA saysWhat do you mean "impossible to cancel"? It's a simple three-step process:
1) write an e-mail to Comcast and ask them to cancel your service on a certain date;
2) dispute a recurring transaction with you cc carrier stating that you've cancelled the service and revoke the authorisation to charge your cc.
3) (optional) go to your fridge and grab a bottle of cold beer.
Lol, what email address? Comcast does not give out any email address that they read.
I did write paper letters to both Comcast and my credit card, revoking permission to charge from both ends. Hopefully that will work.
I tried the "front door" but was told I needed to talk in person to a person from Comcast who will argue that I should not cancel. I got a voice mail today, but won't work all that hard at calling back. I'll give it 5 minutes top, and if that doesn't work, just rely on the letters I sent today.
My experiences have been better. Canceling service was as easy as calling them and took less than 5 minutes. I think they have improved from previous years. But canceling via email I have not heard of either for Comcast. Most CC companies allow you to block vendors and recurring charges and end up 90% of the time on your side. Theoretically the vendor can still sue you outside of the CC realm, but they prob never do that for a small amount as it will cost them too much.
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000461&cycle=2018
Let's see exactly how much Comcast bribed congress lately:
(Gosh, lots of Democrats seem to be at the top of the corruption list.)
So Comcast alone has 53% of the Senate and 77% of the House in their pockets.
Is it possible to reverse this? Could there be a "people's lobby" which can outspend business lobbying? If not, would it help to make all campaigns publicly financed so that Congressmen don't feel they have to take bribes to get enough money to stay in office?