It's not semantics. I said I get $500 per year more for my Masters degree. Then I explained why that's not as bad as it sounds as a response to your silly comment, and oakmans more normal comment (not understanding how it works at LAUSD).
No, you brought up credits way late into the discussion - you could have said it in the first place and now it looks like deflection. But Whatevs.
If education was good, we wouldn't have so many liberals. Liberalism by default is a sign of very low education, aka people who can't figure anything out in their life so they want to take it from others.
comment #23 for the 100th time (okay maybe just the 3rd or 4th time)
A better man would admit his mistake. You do read, no ?
And #8, #11, #13 long before that.
Your very first mention wasn't credits, but that you "only" get $500/year for having a Masters, which implied that's all you got. It wasn't until much later in the convo that you said you get paid for the credits in addition to the degree.
I was right - I knew you didn't just get $500/year for having just the Masters degree.
In my case I only get 500/ per year for having a masters degree.
Since I have so many classes beyond my bachelors degree, I would easily be making only $500 less than I make now, had I not even started the Masters program that I completed. Many many many many many LAUSD teachers that never started a Masters program, make $500 less per year than I (probably 90% or more of LAUSD teachers that have been teaching at least 15 years are in this category).
The graph you showed said 36 hours OR MA. The person that has 36 hours plus the MA doesn't get much for the MA.
You could just say. "Okay, thanks for explaining to me how it works Marcus. I now know that if I had read #23 and understood it, I would see that in your case, and you were referring to yourself, you are indeed getting only $500/year for your Masters Degree. Thanks for clarifying why what you said was in fact true. "
If you only get $500 for your masters degree, your union negotiated a crappy contract. My union, it's about an $8k difference. I'm wondering why you are all gung ho pro union when they clearly didn't negotiate well for you.
Pensions. Why care for a lousy $500 when you can get $millions in pension.
I'm a teacher in NJ. I fully expect my pension to be dead in the water and the absolute best I could ever hope for is 50% of what was promised. I doubt I get that though.
I'm a teacher in NJ. I fully expect my pension to be dead in the water and the absolute best I could ever hope for is 50% of what was promised. I doubt I get that though.
My wife was an elementary teacher in Va and NE. Both those States use a vesting system. Does NJ have some kind of defined benefit pension?
You could just say. "Okay, thanks for explaining to me how it works Marcus. I now know that if I had read #23 and understood it, I would see that in your case, and you were referring to yourself, you are indeed getting only $500/year for your Masters Degree. Thanks for clarifying why what you said was in fact true. "
No Marcus, you were exceptionally misleading - though perhaps it was just a brain fart - when you claimed you only got $500 for having a Masters, then AFTER I presented multiple Districts "Step And Lane" pay scales that showed compensation for BAs, BA+X, and Masters, you piped up with getting paid extra for credits.
I doubt even a crappy state like Arkansas pays only $500/yr more for a Masters.
Like Trump, TrumpCucks will even argue actual facts, repeatedly, and the fact is reasserted, REPEATEDLY. I admit, I'm at a loss to function is a world where actual facts aren't a thing anymore.
It's an example of a term fact checkers have come up for a new type of lie (in the Trump era) : "the “Bottomless Pinocchio”
Just this month, the newspaper’s Fact Checker was forced to create a new category of lying just for the Trump era: the “Bottomless Pinocchio” for “when a politician refuses to drop a claim that has been fact checked as three or four Pinocchios, keeps saying it over and over and over again, so that it basically becomes disinformation, propaganda.”
I'm sure that Trump would be very proud of the degree to which you've adopted his techniques, and your impressive inability to accept the simplest of facts if it even sort of contradicts a position you've taken, however trivial and unimportant.
It's not as if simply learning something would be easier ?
Like Trump, TrumpCucks will even argue actual facts, repeatedly, and the fact is reasserted, REPEATEDLY. I admit, I'm at a loss to function is a world where actual facts aren't a thing anymore.
Oh dear Marcus... look back on the thread. You said you only got $500/yr extra for having a Masters. I wasn't the only one who was dubious of that assertion.
FINALLY, you admitted you did receive compensation for "Credits" above your Bachelor's degree.
If you really think that, and don't have too many ties in NJ, did you ever think about moving to New York ?
Absolutely not. I grew up 15 minutes outside of NYC. The cost of living is way too high and the schools suck. I'm also 38 years old. It's too late to try to switch careers to enter a different pension system. What I did do was leave my first district because the union was negotiating pay decreases in exchange for exclusive perks for members on the negotiation team. I was able to essentially negotiate a $30k pay raise on my own and make enough money to save for my own retirement. Teaching Physics gives you huge bargaining power. I also have built a significant private tutoring business here in NJ. Me personally, I'm fine. The other 99.9% of teachers who have entered the profession the past 10 years, they are screwed.
I'm a teacher in NJ. I fully expect my pension to be dead in the water and the absolute best I could ever hope for is 50% of what was promised. I doubt I get that though.
My wife was an elementary teacher in Va and NE. Both those States use a vesting system. Does NJ have some kind of defined benefit pension?
10 years in, you get a pension. I'm in my 10th. 25 in, you are fully vested and supposed to get health insurance. But the system is on it's way to bankruptcy fast. They just recently cut the benefits of retirees to cut their health insurance. It's only the beginning of the problems. The state of NJ raided the pension system years ago in return for a promise to fund it in the future. But Chris Christie successfully challenged that promise in court and they have no plans to pay up. So they took the money, and never pay it back. The public workers of NJ were robbed.
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I'm surprised there wasn't more intelligent discussion about this.
Intelligent discussion? We are part of the failed education system.
No, you brought up credits way late into the discussion - you could have said it in the first place and now it looks like deflection. But Whatevs.
So you make more than $500 for having a Master's.
California spends the around the Median but gets near the bottom. That's what it tells us.
comment #23 for the 100th time (okay maybe just the 3rd or 4th time)
A better man would admit his mistake. You do read, no ?
Hard to tell. I thought you might actually believe that good teaching negates bad parenting.
The obvious solution is to throw more money at the problem and move on to the next one.
And #8, #11, #13 long before that.
Your very first mention wasn't credits, but that you "only" get $500/year for having a Masters, which implied that's all you got. It wasn't until much later in the convo that you said you get paid for the credits in addition to the degree.
I was right - I knew you didn't just get $500/year for having just the Masters degree.
Since I have so many classes beyond my bachelors degree, I would easily be making only $500 less than I make now, had I not even started the Masters program that I completed. Many many many many many LAUSD teachers that never started a Masters program, make $500 less per year than I (probably 90% or more of LAUSD teachers that have been teaching at least 15 years are in this category).
The graph you showed said 36 hours OR MA. The person that has 36 hours plus the MA doesn't get much for the MA.
You could just say. "Okay, thanks for explaining to me how it works Marcus. I now know that if I had read #23 and understood it, I would see that in your case, and you were referring to yourself, you are indeed getting only $500/year for your Masters Degree. Thanks for clarifying why what you said was in fact true. "
I'm a teacher in NJ. I fully expect my pension to be dead in the water and the absolute best I could ever hope for is 50% of what was promised. I doubt I get that though.
"We can gaurantee your money, but can't guarantee its purchasing power".
That is true if you are the Federal Gov with the printing press. Not so true for States and municipalities.
My wife was an elementary teacher in Va and NE. Both those States use a vesting system. Does NJ have some kind of defined benefit pension?
If you really think that, and don't have too many ties in NJ, did you ever think about moving to New York ?
No Marcus, you were exceptionally misleading - though perhaps it was just a brain fart - when you claimed you only got $500 for having a Masters, then AFTER I presented multiple Districts "Step And Lane" pay scales that showed compensation for BAs, BA+X, and Masters, you piped up with getting paid extra for credits.
I doubt even a crappy state like Arkansas pays only $500/yr more for a Masters.
Like Trump, TrumpCucks will even argue actual facts, repeatedly, and the fact is reasserted, REPEATEDLY. I admit, I'm at a loss to function is a world where actual facts aren't a thing anymore.
It's an example of a term fact checkers have come up for a new type of lie (in the Trump era) : "the “Bottomless Pinocchio”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/opinion/trump-russia-michael-cohen-charity.html
I'm sure that Trump would be very proud of the degree to which you've adopted his techniques, and your impressive inability to accept the simplest of facts if it even sort of contradicts a position you've taken, however trivial and unimportant.
It's not as if simply learning something would be easier ?
Oh dear Marcus... look back on the thread. You said you only got $500/yr extra for having a Masters. I wasn't the only one who was dubious of that assertion.
FINALLY, you admitted you did receive compensation for "Credits" above your Bachelor's degree.
Give it a rest, already.
Absolutely not. I grew up 15 minutes outside of NYC. The cost of living is way too high and the schools suck. I'm also 38 years old. It's too late to try to switch careers to enter a different pension system. What I did do was leave my first district because the union was negotiating pay decreases in exchange for exclusive perks for members on the negotiation team. I was able to essentially negotiate a $30k pay raise on my own and make enough money to save for my own retirement. Teaching Physics gives you huge bargaining power. I also have built a significant private tutoring business here in NJ. Me personally, I'm fine. The other 99.9% of teachers who have entered the profession the past 10 years, they are screwed.
10 years in, you get a pension. I'm in my 10th. 25 in, you are fully vested and supposed to get health insurance. But the system is on it's way to bankruptcy fast. They just recently cut the benefits of retirees to cut their health insurance. It's only the beginning of the problems. The state of NJ raided the pension system years ago in return for a promise to fund it in the future. But Chris Christie successfully challenged that promise in court and they have no plans to pay up. So they took the money, and never pay it back. The public workers of NJ were robbed.
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