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Repair and Maintenance: 2016 $0.166/mile.... .
Anybody on this board shells out $1,200 per year maintaining their new gas cars?
Again, the maintenance ##s in that table are beyond fucking ridiculous. For example, what's there to "maintain" to the tune of $1,285 per year on a new Ford Fusion? Two oil changes? What else? Anybody on this board shells out $1,200 per year maintaining their new gas cars? If you do, please share the details. I'm genuinely fucking curious.
Tires & Brakes are common to all vehicle types and need regular maintenance.
Here are the things which go wrong with ICEs ...
Starter - $500
Alternator - $600
Belts - $200-$400
Muffler - $200-$300
Starter - $500
Alternator - $600
Belts - $200-$400
Muffler - $200-$300
I hear these new fangled electric vehicles have frictionless braking and one pedal driving.
ICE people, just because you don't replace your timing belt doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed.
Nissan Versa and Leaf
kt1652 saysIf an ev with 200 mile range gets reduced to 100 mile in winter as a worst case, it would still satisfy 95-98% of daily trips of metropolitan drivers, without charging top-off, what is the problem?
There is this concept of 'metering'. In a sense, what the ICE did was eliminate that from the way of life. So sure, if a person is highly conservative and only drives exactly to work and back, and leaves the vehicle on a plug overnight, then sure, EVs are "a way" to go. Here's the thing, what the ICE accomplished was that it eliminated this from the horse and buggy tech of pre-1900 where yes, the animals were high maintenance and couldn't gallop across the country without rest, eating, and crapping.
Today, a person is free to go, wherever he wants and whenever, even if a sudden road trip to see a friend/relative in another state comes up or running errands around various ex-burb towns which can easily chew up 70+ miles from out of the blue. When I used to drive a lot, I would make road trips between Boston, NYC, and Philly regularly. And the worst that would happen is that when I get off that highway, exit 4 on the NJ Turnpike, I would just refill at a Wawa's to continue on my journey. If it were an EV, I'd be somewhere stuck in Connecticut, battling it out with angry drivers at the charge stations. Sorry, but no thanks, I prefer to be free and independent.
ICE people, just because you don't replace your timing belt doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed.
Again, the maintenance ##s in that table are beyond fucking ridiculous. For example, what's there to "maintain" to the tune of $1,285 per year on a new Ford Fusion? Two oil changes? What else? Anybody on this board shells out $1,200 per year maintaining their new gas cars? If you do, please share the details. I'm genuinely fucking curious.
What "timing belt"? Practically nothing newer than 2008-2010 has these anymore. It's predominantly timing chains, which are lifetime items.
Hugolas_Madurez saysWhat "timing belt"? Practically nothing newer than 2008-2010 has these anymore. It's predominantly timing chains, which are lifetime items.
Got a link for this?
What the government pays for stuff is typically way more than you or I would. You aren't buying stuff at grossly inflated prices from campaign contributiors like government agencies are.
I have two vehicles: a 2000 Sequoia ... The Sequoia costs an easy $1200/year in maintenance, maybe higher, depending on my luck.
The point is I get three years out of these cars with minimal maintenance.
I have two vehicles: a 2000 Sequoia and a 2014 Camry hybrid. The Sequoia costs an easy $1200/year in maintenance, maybe higher, depending on my luck. But it’s 20 years old.Hugolas_Madurez says
The Camry hybrid is very low maintenance and gas, avg about $100/month gas and $180/year for oil and inspections and tires. It only needs oil changes every 10,000 miles instead of every 3,000, but it does use synthetic so that’s more. Overall, it’s a much cheaper vehicle to operate.
Quigley saysI have two vehicles: a 2000 Sequoia ... The Sequoia costs an easy $1200/year in maintenance, maybe higher, depending on my luck.
Wow, I have '05 and it's not even in the sam zipcode maintenance-wise. $1200 sounds insane. What are you doing to it?
What you or I do is mostly irrelevant.
Automakers live or die not for you, it's the other 99% that moves the needle.
I worked at a 6 man startup once, the boss would prob fire anyone that'd waste time doing vehicle maintenance.
This is business, there is never enough time to do everything. You hire pros/services. It is expensive.
My MD nephew wont work on his car, aint worth his time.
My lovely wife doesnt know how to open the hood of her car.
WookieMan saysNissan Versa and Leaf
I have a whole thread on the Nissan Leaf
http://patrick.net/post/1322772/2019-03-01-rin-spoke-with-prius-owners-on-the-nissan-leaf
Rin sayskt1652 saysIf an ev with 200 mile range gets reduced to 100 mile in winter as a worst case, it would still satisfy 95-98% of daily trips of metropolitan drivers, without charging top-off, what is the problem?
There is this concept of 'metering'. In a sense, what the ICE did was eliminate that from the way of life. So sure, if a person is highly conservative and only drives exactly to work and back, and leaves the vehicle on a plug overnight, the...
This is the same false logic, most of my neighbors own and drive full size pickup trucks that get 20 mpg.
Just in case, once a year to pick up some furniture or want to act like beautiful people in commercials.
We should all drive Yukons just in case my sons and sister in law's family all decided to vacation with us. lol.
I was at Costco gas, the monster suv in front sucked up $90 and took forever to fill.
I pumped $10 and will last me about 1000 miles. (90% EV / 10% 45mpg)
What "timing belt"? Practically nothing newer than 2008-2010 has these anymore.
Wow, I have '05 and it's not even in the sam zipcode maintenance-wise. $1200 sounds insane. What are you doing to it?
they are putting into maintenance dealer prices of unnecessary things most people don't bother doing, and definitely not at the suggested rate or time.
Love that new car smell.
Nothing smells better than $$$ burning.
Take that Edmunds Sequoia:
$26,852 (Deprec + Sales tax) , after 5 years.
Are those three vehicles really the same "class" of vehicles? I would have thought the Fusion was a step above the Prius and the Leaf was a step below. Certainly the Fusion is a bigger car.
...the city analyzed fuel and maintenance costs for 1,893 of its 9,196 light-passenger vehicles in 2018...
https://qz.com/1571956/new-york-city-says-electric-cars-cheapest-option-for-its-fleet/
Not much left to argue about really. No emotion, just real documented data.
If one lives in a sunshine, solar friendly state, has proper sized PV generation at home and drives more than average.
It is almost a no-brainer, EV cost/mile will be much lower than ICE, for like-class vehicles.
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