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HonkpilledMaster says

Hilarious, because the Media instantly insists there are Millions of "White Supremacists" (esp. Males and Christians) every time some infamy seeker "Does Something."

Congratulations! You've identified your counterpart in this farce, where you BOTH share equal blame. Stay divided, and easily controlled, just like they want you to be.

NuttBoxer says

Now the kids, that's a different story. They were very American.

The problem is that second and third generation Muslims born in Europe are more radical and fundamentalist than their parents.

America's first Ass Kicking we doled out as a free nation. Was beating the fuck out of the Barbary Coast pirates. They are due for a touch up.

NuttBoxer says

Rin says

FYI, Cambodians and Vietnamese who'd escaped from war, back in the 70s, are assimilated into American society today.

Not even close. I lived in a Cambodian/Vietnamese neighborhood for three years in San Diego. Most first generation SE Asians barely speak English. They stick to their own communities. Do you think Italians, Irish, and Germans immediately assimilated when they got to New York? This isn't natural, and always takes time. Now the kids, that's a different story. They were very American.

Nonsense! We have Cambodians/Vietnamese right here in Boston and yes, those who'd arrived between ages 2 and up to 14, are assimilated. Sure, a bunch of parents arriving past the age of 40 won't leave their enclaves for fear of not being understood but that's expected. Those parents/grandparents stay near home and the kids are all over the place.

FYI, some of them were my classmates so it goes a little beyond your "3 years" in San Diego.

And I'm yet to meet one of them, who's planning on planting bombs to fight for Buddha's cause in America. Cambridge MA is home to 90 sub-nationalities but only a couple of Muslims decided to bomb the city of Boston, their newly adopted country. So pleaz, don't make this thing about people of color. We have a lot around here.

Funny how this example of some crazy Israelis saying racist things is supposed to be an ominous warning about where fear/criticism of radical Islam can lead.

Whereas, not fearing or dealing with radical Islam enough leads to genocide, war, refugees and terrorist attacks in cities around the world.

Islam is the only religion which compels its followers to do violence against other people as an act of faith. Others try to persuade people to join them with acts of love or kindness or aid or rhetoric. But only Islam says “you’re with us or we kill you.” And just being Muslim is no protection against Islam! If you violate one of their many taboos, other Muslims will be compelled to kill or abuse you as well.

Islam is inherently violent. I hate it for what it is and what it makes people do and be. I also hate neonazis and authoritarian communists. All three groups have poisonous philosophies that are hazardous to the world at large.

socal2 says

Whereas, not fearing or dealing with radical Islam enough leads to genocide, war, refugees and terrorist attacks in cities around the world.

Right? I mean haven’t we just seen a PERFECT example of this with the Islamic State? They genocided entire minority populations, forced young women into slavery and sexual servitude, sold slaves on fucking EBay, tortured and killed anyone who objected as well as gays and unbelievers, and subjected an entire region of the world to hideous authoritarian abuse, war, and grinding poverty.

And Nutboxer says, Bbbbut that wasn’t real Islam!

Sure it was, as real and unfiltered as Islam gets.

Quigley says

And Nutboxer says,

He also likes to depict others of color, i.e. Vietnamese/Cambodians as non-assimilated, a pathetic attempt at straw man-ing that there is.

In fact, as a result, I've just received texts/emails from over a dozen Vietnamese/Cambodians, who'd arrived in MA between ages 2 and 18 (yes, even up to adult age), testify that it's only their foreign grandparents who don't speak any English. And some reside in Woonsocket RI or Lowell MA, along with Cambridge/Boston/Quincy, since neither of the earlier aforementioned towns are considered marque cities.

NuttBoxer says

Jews don't need Muslims to be radical. See Jesus Christ as a good example, and Jewish persecution of The Way.

Ah, the Hard Left grows in it's anti-semitism.

Let the hate flow through you.

Meanwhile, here are kids, not in the Middle East, but Philly just two weeks ago.

https://clarionproject.org/shocking-video-indoctrinated-muslim-kids-phillly/

HonkpilledMaster says

Meanwhile, here are kids, not in the Middle East, but Philly just two weeks ago.

https://clarionproject.org/shocking-video-indoctrinated-muslim-kids-phillly/

Good luck USA.

Lol. I like good fiction, just not religion...

Rin says

Nonsense! We have Cambodians/Vietnamese right here in Boston and yes, those who'd arrived between ages 2 and up to 14, are assimilated. Sure, a bunch of parents arriving past the age of 40 won't leave their enclaves for fear of not being understood but that's expected. Those parents/grandparents stay near home and the kids are all over the place.

You just said exactly the same thing I did. And I do think it's understandable with the first generation adults. They left because of war, not because they didn't love their country. Just pointing out your assumption about immigrants that leads you to hate on Muslims isn't valid.

Rin says

So pleaz, don't make this thing about people of color. We have a lot around here.

Unreasonable hatred always leads to racism due to lumping people into your pre-conceived notion of them, rather than getting to know them on a personal level. I'm just pointing out where you're headed.

socal2 says

where fear/criticism of radical Islam can lead.

Good adjective! But most of the patnetters just say Islam. In total agreement with you.

Quigley says

Right? I mean haven’t we just seen a PERFECT example of this with the Islamic State?

See how easily you drop radical, and just say Islam. Thank you for proving my point by intentionally mis-construing socal's reply.

HonkpilledMaster says

Ah, the Hard Left grows in it's anti-semitism.

Let the hate flow through you.

Thanks for confirming you can't refute my point, and I'm right.

On the Left rant, read a few of my posts, that shit won't hold up either. But again, thank you for confirming the point of my OP. Ignorant hatred lumps people into groups and attacks them, regardless of who they actually are.

HonkpilledMaster says

Meanwhile, here are kids, not in the Middle East, but Philly just two weeks ago.

Have you ever heard the hymn Glory, Glory, Alleluia sung in church? It was written to celebrate the genocide of the South during the Civil War. By PROTESTANTS. You think the Jews don't have a few beauties of their own..?

Nuttboxer - I try to make the distinction between radical Islamists and regular peace loving Muslims. But we can't pretend that there isn't a huge chunk of the Muslim world whose views are totally incompatible with a tolerant and pluralistic world society like we have in the West.

We should be able to respectfully criticize these types of views (like the ones below) without being labeled bigots or haters.

NuttBoxer says

Have you ever heard the hymn Glory, Glory, Alleluia sung in church? It was written to celebrate the genocide of the South during the Civil War. By PROTESTANTS. You think the Jews don't have a few beauties of their own..?

Glorious Protestants, the Apple of God's Eye. Look at all the blessings they receive. Enslaving your enemies is one thing, kidnapping strangers from the other side of the world another.

And honestly, most Jewish songs are either about happy things or complaining, I honestly never heard any Jewish Fight songs. I repurpose Orange Songs when the Dar-Al-Islam gets payback for it's fanatic imperialist aggression.

My two Hebrew School Teachers were tough ass Sabras, a married couple. The wife of the Couple Team used to patrol up Bekaa Farms with an Uzi near a Kibbutz, fired in anger many times. She still didn't know any fight songs, or taught us any. Only "Schlomo The Kosher Dragon who lived by the Galilee" He was a '73 vet.

NuttBoxer says

On the Left rant, read a few of my posts, that shit won't hold up either. But again, thank you for confirming the point of my OP. Ignorant hatred lumps people into groups and attacks them, regardless of who they actually are.

The Left only wants to destroy Western Civ, the ironic thing is that their complains are an extreme form of French Revolutionary thought, a diseased branch of a great tree.

socal2 says

We should be able to respectfully criticize these types of views (like the ones below) without being labeled bigots or haters.

I agree, but have you seriously stopped and looked at the undercurrent of many of the posts here in the past year? There's been a definite shift from hating extremists, to hating Muslims, which is why I'm predicting the next shift if things aren't checked.

I've only personally known three Muslims in my life. All co-workers, all from the Middle East. They are some of the most polite, well INTEGRATED(for Rin), people I've ever known. I specifically remember the guy from Pakistan complaining about the screening process because DHS would call him in the middle of the night, and start interrogating him about being a terrorist. Sounds an awful lot like some people here. I knew that was wrong then, and it's still wrong now.

HonkpilledMaster says

I honestly never heard any Jewish Fight songs.

I'm pretty sure dude I linked to comes from a sect with a few. But you confirm my point. We need to remember that sects are not the whole, and stop judging an entire religion by it's worst elements. If I didn't stay open-minded, I would have renounced my Protestant roots long ago.

NuttBoxer says

I'm pretty sure dude I linked to comes from a sect with a few. But you confirm my point. We need to remember that sects are not the whole, and stop judging an entire religion by it's worst elements. If I didn't stay open-minded, I would have renounced my Protestant roots long ago.

Does that mean you'll complain when you see these kinds of articles?

HonkpilledMaster says

Does that mean you'll complain when you see these kinds of articles?

My complaint on Christchurch goes WAY beyond religion. See:

https://patrick.net/post/1323296/2019-03-22-wtf-christchurch-is-a-staged-false-flag

Christchurch is one of the first in a wave of stupid infamy attacks like Las Vegas, where basement dwelling antisocial misfits are doing it "For the Lulz".

NuttBoxer says

socal2 says

We should be able to respectfully criticize these types of views (like the ones below) without being labeled bigots or haters.

I agree, but have you seriously stopped and looked at the undercurrent of many of the posts here in the past year? There's been a definite shift from hating extremists, to hating Muslims, which is why I'm predicting the next shift if things aren't checked.

I've only personally known three Muslims in my life. All co-workers, all from the Middle East. They are some of the most polite, well INTEGRATED(for Rin), people I've ever known. I specifically remember the guy from Pakistan complaining about the screening process because DHS would call him in the middle of the night, and start interrogating him about being a terrorist. Sounds an awful lot like some people here. I knew that was wrong then, and it's still wrong now.

NuttBoxer says: "I've only personally known three Muslims in my life. All co-workers, all from the Middle East."
So all your conclusions are based on THREE guys!! great!

NuttBoxer says: "I specifically remember the guy from Pakistan complaining about the screening process because DHS would call him in the middle of the night, and start interrogating him about being a terrorist."
Two things, you think Pakistan is part of the Middle East!! and the key point here is "would", so DHS did not call yet and he is feeling guilty!! you know, no one feels guilty for nothing!!
Note, DHS could send many queries as part of the normal immigration process unless your paki boy thinks he is a snow flake, like the way you described.

Grow up man(or whatever) from your pipe view of the world.
Can you imagine how difficult and challenging job at DHS to safeguard this country to get to the current level of safety.

Did you ask paki boy the crime stats recorded by his god's country vs crime he observed on any street and extrapolate to national level, it should be in the order of 100s if not millions of times less from the reality. Third world countries are very GOOD at NOT recording crimes. It should reach almost zero in Islamic God's countries.
Government kills countless people particularly who touch politicians of any side as if they do not exist in the first place.

Now this paki boy got into US and get upset just because DHS "WOULD" asked a question?
what does your common sense say, he already turned against the US and radicalize his people!!! Is that is what you are saying or he deserve to do so?
you sounded like more of a another radical Muslim than fake Protestant, stop pretending your true color, be honest.

Muslims want to cut Americans heads off... I'm not going to put my head in the sand like some clueless liberal, and pretend danger does not exist in this world. Liberals are idiots.

Nutboxers head has GOT to hurt quite a bit from being so wrong.

www.youtube.com/embed/C11BshLSn94

NuttBoxer says

I've only personally known three Muslims in my life. All co-workers, all from the Middle East. They are some of the most polite, well INTEGRATED(for Rin), people I've ever known. I specifically remember the guy from Pakistan complaining about the screening process because DHS would call him in the middle of the night, and start interrogating him about being a terrorist. Sounds an awful lot like some people here. I knew that was wrong then, and it's still wrong now.

Sounds like you come from a not so cosmopolitan region, for a CA resident.

The Muslims I know, who're the most assimilated are actually from Turkey and I can count a dozen of them. Yes, and believe it or not, a few of them have left Islam for Buddhism, Nestorial Christianity (not every likes the Patriarch of the eastern church), & Shamanism. This is the most secular, at least until this past decade, of all the Islamic nationalities.

In contrast, the Paki nationals I know, at least seven of them, are full of hatred for India and even their new country, the USA, for supporting Israel. One of them, a guy from Ohio, not even the Boston to NJ corridor, gave an Israeli visiting scholar, a hard time about the concept of Jihad & why it's not about Islam but about "community protection and one's family's protection". Talk about delusional and crazy.

And nevermind the other Arab nationals for they're too smart to even mention Islam in public these days. Those are all whispered from around the corners which BTW, form a bulk of that's Mosque's fifth column in Central Sq Cambridge MA. So no, this is not your local Zen center. This is where the Boston bombers got radicalized. And yes, these Arabs can afford Louis Vitton so it's not about the poor vs the rich.

personal

Blue says

Two things, you think Pakistan is part of the Middle East!! and the key point here is "would"

Your English comprehension needs a lot of work. Or are you that desperate to sound right?

Blue says

So all your conclusions are based on THREE guys!! great!

I'm sorry, I missed the part where you told us how many Muslims you know on a personal level...

Blue says

Can you imagine how difficult and challenging job at DHS to safeguard this country to get to the current level of safety.

Yes. They routinely fail to catch weapons at the airport, illegals crossing the border, and their greatest success seems to be harassing, beating, and killing US civilians. Wait! Or maybe they just really suck at their job.. WAIT!? Or maybe they're really good at their job, and YOU just aren't smart enough to know what that is.

Rin says

Sounds like you come from a not so cosmopolitan region, for a CA resident.

There are large Middle-Eastern communities in East San Diego county. The other two guys were Iranian. I didn't mention a 4th guy(Iranian), because I didn't work with him very long, so didn't know him as well.

NuttBoxer says

I'm sorry, I missed the part where you told us how many Muslims you know on a personal level...

Does the same logic apply to how many white supremacists or neonazis we know? If we know some of those people on a personal basis doesn’t that make them ok? I mean, it’s only their beliefs that are questionable. They might be absolutely personable fellows!

FortWayneIndiana says

Muslims want to cut Americans heads off...

What would you want to do if Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, or Yemen was the world power instead of the US, and they constantly sent drone strikes to this country killing women and children? Think you might become a little "radicalized" yourself? I know I would.

Quigley says

Does the same logic apply to how many white supremacists or neonazis we know? If we know some of those people on a personal basis doesn’t that make them ok? I mean, it’s only their beliefs that are questionable. They might be absolutely personable fellows!

Fair, but the point of my OP is racism based on blanket hatred of someone from a particular region based on their assumed religious beliefs. So not an apples to apples. And you dodged my question, so thanks for confirming my personal experience trumps yours, so you have no place to talk.

NuttBoxer says

OP is racism based on blanket hatred of someone from a particular region based on their assumed religious beliefs

Was anyone defending this sort of racism? Please give examples.

NuttBoxer says

What would you want to do if Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, or Yemen was the world power instead of the US, and they constantly sent drone strikes to this country killing women and children? Think you might become a little "radicalized" yourself? I know I would.

Please stop making excuses for radical Islamists. The only thing that is "radicalizing" them is the radical interpretation of Islam.

Think before 9/11, America's foreign policy since the Cold War was almost exclusively in the support of Muslims.

- assisting the Afghani Mujaheddin to kick out the USSR
- Risking American lives to end the civil war and genocide in Somalia
- Bombing European countries to end the genocide in the Balkans
- protecting Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Kuwait from Saddam Hussein invasion and SCUD attacks

Yet the radical Islamists still whacked us on 9/11 (and tried before in 1993) with significant pluralities in those countries cheering them on.

Fuck them. They have no legitimate excuse for their depravity.

NuttBoxer says

There are large Middle-Eastern communities in East San Diego county. The other two guys were Iranian. I didn't mention a 4th guy(Iranian), because I didn't work with him very long, so didn't know him as well.

Now, I know you're a troll. In my own engineering program, there were 4 Iranians. What did you study, basket weaving?

At my client sites, I can count .. 2, 1, 3, 5, etc. Yes, it's a lot.

NuttBoxer says

Rin says

He also likes to depict others of color, i.e. Vietnamese/Cambodians as non-assimilated, a pathetic attempt at straw man-ing that there is.

Your credibility here, shot. Stick to what you know, hoes, and an empty house.

Yep, a troll. You obviously don't know ppl from Southeast Asia and also play the Boston bombing hoax game.

socal2 says

Yet the radical Islamists still whacked us on 9/11 (and tried before in 1993) with significant pluralities in those countries cheering them on.

What was really behind that though ?

If the goal was to take over, wouldn't it have been wiser to infiltrate the west by pretending to be amenable to being moderate and semi secular - you know, getting the trojan horse in before making us their bitch ?

It's almost as if some powers want Islamic folks NOT to be integrated in to the west.

OR maybe we're just lucky that they showed their hand so early ?

Rin says

Although actually, Islam is pro-white Arab

This is true, and a core weakness of Islam.

A Pakistani guy I know complained that the Saudis in particular are just about the most racist people on earth and abuse the Pakistanis in their country mercilessly. The Saudis see themselves as superior in all ways to darker people.

Islam is to a large degree an Arab supremacist movement.

Patrick says

abuse the Pakistanis in their country mercilessly

South Asian Muslims are untouchables, they should go to their designated Mosques. By mistake if they attend middle east locals's Mosque, they go through capital punishment.