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Eman says

Good stuff. Too bad it doesn’t fit the narrative. Moving on.

Can't fluff so you're all for 'Moving on'.

Eman says

This all adds up. With the 1% that electricity production declined in 2023, we could have added something like another 10 million EVs to the grid last year and our overall electricity use would still have remained the same.

Did not California recently tell citizens to stop charging electric cars because of the load on the system during a heat wave?

HeadSet says

Eman says

This all adds up. With the 1% that electricity production declined in 2023, we could have added something like another 10 million EVs to the grid last year and our overall electricity use would still have remained the same.

Did not California recently tell citizens to stop charging electric cars because of the load on the system during a heat wave?

Did they? Was it during peak hours, or all hours? I’ve seen rolling blackouts. It wasn’t bad, but I still don’t want any part of it.

A spokeswoman for the governor, Erin Mellon, said that the request to avoid charging electrical vehicles has been misrepresented by critics of California’s efforts to curb emissions.

“We’re not saying don’t charge them,” she said. “We’re just saying don’t charge them between 4 p.m. and 9 p.m.”

- Based on my experience, no one charges at home during peak hours. We plug it in and have it programmed to charge after 12am. It’s just common sense to EV drivers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/us/california-heat-wave-flex-alert-ac-ev-charging.html

Eman says

How is this possible? One word — efficiency. The magic of efficiency could and hopefully will continue this 20-year miracle of keeping electricity consumption flat even while we add lots of new loads, as there is so much more low hanging fruit to be picked. LEDs still need to finish their market domination, and heat pumps are only just getting started and will save oodles of energy for space and water heating and even clothes drying.

Heat pumps aren't replacing electric heating, they are replacing natural gas heating. LEDs are no more efficient than CFLs, but they are cheaper to manufacture and don't contain mercury. We are nearing peak efficiency now. The article you are quoting from is from some gas bag that doesn't know anything about engineering.

HeadSet says

Did not California recently tell citizens to stop charging electric cars because of the load on the system during a heat wave?

Stop pissing all over Eman's Fluff Fest, @HeadSet.

It is bad for Woke World's bullshit.

Eman says

Did they? Was it during peak hours, or all hours?

Doesn't matter. Having to cut back at all destroys the thesis that "efficiency" of light bulbs and some appliances has cleared enough demand that EVs will have no impact on the grid.

Eman says

We’re not saying don’t charge them,” she said. “We’re just saying don’t charge them between 4 p.m. and 9 p.m.”

Oh boy. The bullshit keeps getting better and better.

Eman says

- Based on my experience, no one charges at home during peak hours. We plug it in and have it programmed to charge after 12am. It’s just common sense to EV drivers.

Gaslighting

Eman says

- Based on my experience, no one charges at home during peak hours. We plug it in and have it programmed to charge after 12am. It’s just common sense to EV drivers.

Lol dude. I gas my massive SUV up anytime I want in 4-5 minutes that was $20-30k cheaper than your tiny Tesla. I have 5-7 years of gas built into my car based on purchase price. And it has 10x's the functionality of a Tesla. Time is money dude. EV owners clearly don't value their time. They like their golf cart that's faster than a Ferrari, which is of no use if you follow the rules of the road and aren't an ass hole.

Everything I just said is fact. You overpaid for a car. Just own it. My better car is cheaper. I know the size of my dick. I don't need some car that does zero to 60 in 2.3 seconds. I need a productive car. Not a status symbol.

Someone in Canada is making/saving money with solar. What are your thoughts on solar @EBGuy and @Hircus? Seems like you guys have solar way before I did.



https://x.com/brucethemodel3/status/1760000414777520611?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

Someone in Canada is making/saving money with solar. What are your thoughts on solar EBGuy and Hircus? Seems like you guys have solar way before I did.

Yes... lol. During June-August at best. There's also no way a North facing roof in Alberta would get you net zero even in the summer. You guys buy a lot of bull shit. Your best bet is to drop $4k on a nat gas whole home generator north of I-80 if not further south. Back up power is better than solar.

The propaganda and sales are ridiculous. Solar doesn't work north of a certain latitude without shoveling money over to liars. The ROI is shit in 90% of the country let alone Canada.

WookieMan says

Eman says

Someone in Canada is making/saving money with solar. What are your thoughts on solar EBGuy and Hircus? Seems like you guys have solar way before I did.

Yes... lol. During June-August at best. There's also no way a North facing roof in Alberta would get you net zero even in the summer. You guys buy a lot of bull shit. Your best bet is to drop $4k on a nat gas whole home generator north of I-80 if not further south. Back up power is better than solar.

The propaganda and sales are ridiculous. Solar doesn't work north of a certain latitude without shoveling money over to liars. The ROI is shit in 90% of the country let alone Canada.

This is so typical of you. You jump to the conclusion without reading the whole post. How something doesn’t make sense based on you. You don’t live there, but you know better than the person who lives there.

Take a look at how his solar is mounted to give it 6% south facing exposure. He said he gets over 90% production between March-October, not what you claimed. I’m sure people who live there would call BS if the numbers don’t add up.

Eman says

Take a look at how his solar is mounted to give it 6% south facing exposure. He said he gets over 90% production between March-October, not what you claimed. I’m sure people who live there would call BS if the numbers don’t add up.

I have family members that live up there my friend. I'm not making a damn thing up. Solar doesn't even give you full power in IL, especially a north facing roof. I don't just make shit up or believe what is on the internet. I go off of what I actually know.

Also, his claim is true and what I actually know isn't? CA, AZ, NM, CO, TX, etc are all prime candidates for solar. It simply doesn't work above a certain latitude. The facts are out there. It's too dark 60-70% of the year north of I-80 or I-90 to the west to justify the cost. There's simple not enough sunlight outside of 2-3 months at best and not on a north facing roof.

Believe what a random posts about. Doesn't mean it's right.

Also your house looks ugly as fuck and you'd look like a gay in my part of the world. Sloped north side panels.... that's retarded.

Wow, Alberta has more sunny days than San Jose. I didn’t know this.

Eman says

Wow, Alberta has more sunny days than San Jose. I didn’t know this.

Sunny doesn't equate to power September to April in Canada. Sure you'll get some I suppose, but not even close to net zero without a yard full of panels. Roof won't do shit up there. Summer maybe. Then factor in snow on the panels.

I was just in Montana. No sun rise until 8am that would generate any power and too dark by 3-4pm to generate power. That's about 40% of the year there. Now go another 300 miles north. Have you been north in the winter? You make a lot of assumptions about everywhere else based on CA and websites. Go there. Solar doesn't work without a ton of panels north of a certain latitude for the cost. Can you do it? Sure. Waste of money that could be better invested that could easily pay for your gas and electric on the dividends/interest/growth saved by not putting solar on your roof.

Eman says

Take a look at how his solar is mounted to give it 6% south facing exposure. He said he gets over 90% production between March-October, not what you claimed. I’m sure people who live there would call BS if the numbers don’t add up.

The numbers DON'T add up. How could they be selling electricity at 3x the rate? The only answer is they are being subsidized, because somebody is paying for that power, and it's not a consumer, because THEY aren't paying 3x "the rate".

This is the problem with economic repression and centralization. They are trying to get people to buy solar by giving them a carrot, and the stick is being taken to anybody that doesn't engage in this fraud, through taxation.

richwicks says

Eman says

Take a look at how his solar is mounted to give it 6% south facing exposure. He said he gets over 90% production between March-October, not what you claimed. I’m sure people who live there would call BS if the numbers don’t add up.

The numbers DON'T add up. How could they be selling electricity at 3x the rate? The only answer is they are being subsidized, because somebody is paying for that power, and it's not a consumer, because THEY aren't paying 3x "the rate".

Eman is a solar homo. You can cherry pick from your location all you want and try to extrapolate it somewhere else. The globe is a sphere. A good majority of it get 5-7 hours of light six months of the year. Including Canada. That's a waste of money without making your yard look like shit with panels and getting a ton of them.

The cost of solar is continuing to go down, as expected. Its no different than any new technology such as look at how automobiles were only affordable for the rich back in 1910. Look at the price of an HDTV back in 2003 or the price of a desktop computer in 1986.

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AD says

The cost of solar is continuing to go down, as expected. Its no different than any new technology such as look at how automobiles were only affordable for the rich back in 1910. Look at the price of an HDTV back in 2003 or the price of a desktop computer in 1986.

Different tech. Computers work in everyone's home. EV's are not nearly as efficient as what they draw from cold weather climates. 50%+ of the country, 50% of the year. That's not "sustainable."

TV's are a nothing burger. Younger demographics don't watch it. Demand goes down and there's more inventory. No one wants them or uses them. I have 10. We actively use 4 in a family of 5 and 3 are for gaming for the kids. Television is dead. The price mean nothing because there's no demand. Been that way for a decade, at least.

You can still get depreciated used cars for massively cheap. No one should ever buy a new car. Throwing the dart, especially an EV.

WookieMan says

Different tech.

Yes different tech, but like all tech, there are innovation gains which drive down price. Look at how the price per kw-hr has steadily decreased for solar energy. I agree with Eman that solar energy's affordability is increasing.

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