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Bap33 says

is there any chance ... maybe ... just a slight chance ... that the open border invasion brings about this kind of thing?? I ask because here in central cal we have a scare per year about some long-ago beaten disease making a comeback in the schools, and the source is La Raza de la Sur.

Travel helps transport disease and there is a significantly larger amount of "legal" travel that is bringing diseases back to the US.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/story/health/story/2011-10-21/Unvaccinated-behind-largest-US-measles-outbreak-in-years/50852098/1

Regardless of how diseases are traveling to the US outbreaks are caused by people not vaccinating their children.

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Tony Manero says

America is possessed by neomedievalist jesufascists. These freaks believe that Obama stepped off of a space craft powered by the koran and is in league with satan to transform the USA into an extraterrestrial caliph controlled by Osama Bin Laden and Jane Fonda, Obama's parents.

Most of the country can't read beyond the ability of a fourth grader and think Bill O'Reilly is the smartest guy in America.

I'd give a fuck if I haven't already planned on eating these fucking people.

LOL

Fucking EPIC!

Dan8267 says

People don't trust a government that lied about WMD in Iraq, lied about torturing in Gitmo, and lies every single day. Part of the consequence of the utter dishonesty of our government is that people don't believe it when it tells the truth.

I agree the duplicity of the government is a major factor. The government has been corrupted by corporate interests, so it will always lie to the little people if one of the campaign contributors tell it to. Congress, the courts, the president can all be bought and effectively ignore the law. People feel betrayed, so when the government tells them the truth about vacines, they think drug companies told them to sell another lie so that they could make a buck. So long as government is the mouth piece for corporations and banks, American civil society will pay the price of that collusion, including innocent babies.

futuresmc says

I agree the duplicity of the government is a major factor.

Government is REPRESENTATIVE of "The People".

Who are "The People"

Mitt Romney says "corporations are people too, my friend". And REALLY big people at that, blocking out the sun big.

And you mammals scurrying around in the grass, what are you doing? Pushing your way into politicians offices? No, mostly you write a letter once in a while and tune back into Dancing With The Stars.

We get exactly the representation we deserve.

Vicente says

We should sterilize these people so the stupidity is erased from the gene pool.

Wow, I hope you are kidding. This site is about the freedom of thought... don't believe what the FED, NAR, government tells you about housing. But, on the topic of vaccines, you do want people to believe what the government, CDC, WHO, scientists tell you?

So, it's subjective.... And on a subjective topic, you want to sterilize people that don't agree with you? Wow.... Are you so sure that 40 years down the line, we are not gonna discover something dangerous with Vaccines? After all, during the middle ages, "officials" were so sure of leeches' medicinal powers that they used it on themselves. We call it ignorance... they call it all they understand at the time. Vaccine is all we understand today.

And you want to sterilize people for this? You would've burned Galileo at the stake for proposing earth is round.

rockyroad says

And you want to sterilize people for this? You would've burned Galileo at the stake for proposing earth is round.

No I would have sterilized the backwards priests plainly denying the science laid out for them.

Just as anti-vaxxers go beyond "mistrust" of government, and well into anti-science paranoia. The case for vaccination could not be clearer scientificially speaking.

I am engaging in hyperbole however and not planning on forcibly sterilizing anyone..... at present.

Vicente says

The case for vaccination could not be clearer scientificially speaking.

Really? Aristotle believed in Spontaneous Generation as a form of reproduction. This is Aristotle, the guy that invented the Scientific Method! Thomas Aquinas & John Locke believed in the theory of "blank slate", which later turned out to be an incorrect theory of childhood development. Einstein believed so much in the Static Universe, he calculated it into his theory of relatively. Now, it's accepted that the universe is expanding.

These are giants of science! And they were wrong. And you are so sure Vicente says

The case for vaccination could not be clearer scientificially speaking.

Now, now... it's the Marin hot tubbers that you have to worry about. See Personal Belief Exemption data here. Also, avoid Waldorf Schools...

EBGuy says

Now, now... it's the Marin hot tubbers that you have to worry about.

Yeah this lady is clearly a Marin hot-tubber:

Vicente says

And REALLY big people at that, blocking out the sun big.

Or building a sun blocker.

That was a great episode.

Hurry get your vaccinations but don't look at real statistics.

From the FDA's own website:
Why Learn about Adverse Drug Reactions (ADR)?
Institute of Medicine, National Academy Press, 2000
Lazarou J et al. JAMA 1998;279(15):1200–1205
Gurwitz JH et al. Am J Med 2000;109(2):87–94

Over 2 MILLION serious ADRs yearly
100,000 DEATHS yearly
ADRs 4th leading cause of death ahead of pulmonary disease, diabetes, AIDS, pneumonia, accidents and automobile deaths
Ambulatory patients ADR rate—unknown
Nursing home patients ADR rate— 350,000 yearly

2k12 says

Hurry get your vaccinations but don't look at real statistics.

Those statistics would mean a lot more if they were compared to statistics covering serious injury and death prevented by drugs. That after all would be putting the "real statistics" in perspective.

To me 100k dead a year from Adverse Reaction to drugs is completely unacceptable and validates that people should educate themselves to what they are being told to take. Furthermore people should be worried about the thousands of lives lost to this problem(Adverse Reaction to Drugs) and not whether someone didn't get a vaccine.

2k12 says

To me 100k dead a year from Adverse Reaction to drugs is completely unacceptable and validates that people should educate themselves to what they are being told to take.

Yes, I agree that people should educate themselves. Yes 100k dead seems like a lot and what if that was compared to 2 million dead if the drugs were never taken?

Where are the statistics for the 2 million dead if they never took the drugs?

2k12 says

Why Learn about Adverse Drug Reactions (ADR)?

Apples & Oranges

Vaccines & Drugs

Oh wait, you are looking to inflate your statistics right? At least science does it's best to accurately document it's weakness. If I take an aspirin and die of brain cancer next year, is it because of the aspirin? HPV vaccine for example 71 deaths reported of people who had taken Gardasil. In none of those cases however could the death be positively linked to Gardasil. Case closed.

This whole anti-vaxxer nonsense stems from one guy in England who wanted to side-swipe existing vaccines to push his own cures. His work was eventually found to be full of holes and his bias should be obvious, except to paranoid delusionals who based a semi-religion around a fraudulent kernel.

2k12 says

Where are the statistics for the 2 million dead if they never took the drugs?

I made it up to illustrate how 100k can seem like a lot, but it might not be when viewing the alternative. I don't know how many lives are save by drugs, but I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Oh, and....

http://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo

Vaticanus says

About 3,400 nonsmoking adults die of lung cancer as a result of breathing SHS

THAT's rubbish. Most SHS studies fail to control for the most important factor: Non-Smoking Spouses may have been multiyear smokers themselves, but gave it up (most commonly: Wives of Male Smokers who quit during pregnancy, but might have smoked for a decade or more prior). Smokers are more likely to marry other smokers.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/wAfKYWianso

There are plenty of good reasons not to smoke without SHS.

The second leading cause of lung cancer in the US - inhalation of natural, radioactive radon gas progeny that continuously zap your lung cells with highly ionizing (very biologically disruptive) alpha radiation:

The Guide to Protecting Yourself and Your Family From Radon

http://www.epa.gov/radon/pubs/citguide.html

Radon hot zones map:

http://www.epa.gov/radon/pdfs/zonemapcolor.pdf

wbblair3 says

The Guide to Protecting Yourself and Your Family From Radon

Yes, and that fancy granite counter-top? It might be emitting radon...
http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/granite.asp