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Successful IPOs usually pop nicely if priced properly. There have been several IPOs priced to perfection in the last couple of years. This is not good for repeat business. Why buy the IPO and go into broker lockup? If you like it then wait and buy after the IPO at a discount.

There are several things about this IPO that smell. One to watch out for soon is the release of insiders to sell. Usually there is a lockup period of 6 months. Suckybug negotiated a 3 month lockup period for all his employees. This thing may go under $5 in the next couple of years. I wish I could borrow the shares to short it. Only the hedge funds and fat cats will be able to borrow and short this turkey.

As soon as the "puts" go live...guess who'll be buyng them? :)

chzwiz says

This thing may go under $5 in the next couple of years.

So much for the 1000 new Multi Millionaires the pathic media was crowing about...

Sorry, there are already thousands of them. They've been selling on SecondMarket for a while now... and they'll make millions selling even at $20 or $30...

Will questionable FB IPO, remove from housing market one of reason for low inventory ”Facebook effect”?

They shorten', they hatin' !!!

PockyClipsNow says

Well FB can target advertising like nothing else ever. Better than google can with your gmail account because it knows what all your friends like so could suggest gifts for them at xmas time or for thier birthdays, it knows all your friends b-days and where they live and where they went to school.

pretty impressive and people just hand it all over for free. its a goldmine.

You smoke the good stuff. What is it, indica sativa?

They dont have a phone, they dont have a phone story, most of the users are using FB app, at the grace of aapl and goog, and they dont have any employees, some 3500, and they dont have any real intellectual property, and they have, get this, they sole thing of value they have, A WEB SITE, like friendster, and myspace, its a website, with 900 million broke gen x and gen y people the world over with no disposable money because rent, food, gas, tuition and housing is brutally overpriced. no dough, but consuming terabytes a second recording who bopped who last night.

Yeah, a real goldmine headed by a hoodie wearing intellectual property thief who knows how to got to the top of the heap where it should be plain to see, the emperor has no clothes.

it should also be noted that adsense was bought by goog, as was youtube and andriod. All the innovation is stolen or bought by the oligarchs. Appl stole from Xerox Parc. MSFT stole from Kildall. IBM and Sun actually invented new things without resorting to petty theft for most of it.

We dont celebrate innovation as a society, it seems, we-all celebrate thieves and robber barons ripping off the world and the future getting to the top so they can have a marble mirror pool a mile long in a 10 million dollar an acre estate while the rest of us eat ramen to put the kids through school.

Rented through the downturn says

Sorry, there are already thousands of them. They've been selling on SecondMarket for a while now... and they'll make millions selling even at $20 or $30...

Thats just BS from journalist.. you cant sell anything on the secondary market unless its fully approved by the Board of Directors (Due to Goverence) and must be in compliance with SEC limits of 500 investors. Pre Ipo stock very often is restricted from trading and transfering to other parties. The 1000s is really not feasible...

The majority of the 2ndary trades are from a handful of VCs and Microsoft who already invested 100s millions. These same investors are the ones who piled in mega millions into FB already. Its not some scruffy engineer banking into millions.

One needs more info than what some journalist says.. they oftern dont understand the whole story here.

While folks here keep referring to FB's user base as a collection of broke Gen X and Yers, you should know that their largest and fastest growing audience is the highly valuable female, 35-55 segment, which has a lot of money. In fact, it's their younger demographics that are at risk.

That said, again, it's the format and the context of the FB website that makes the ads ineffective. Therefore, FB's big move will be to take their intrusive data-set and sell it off of their site to advertisers who can make money advertising on other publishers' sites.

Rented through the downturn says

their largest and fastest growing audience is the highly valuable female, 35-55 segment,

yes, I know. posting pictures of their kids and their adventures. Buying stuff? no. Just trying to stitch the family back together with zuck trying to spy and sell the info. Rather pathetic really. I have never not once even SEEN an ad on FB. And funny, those FB phone apps are ad-less , sadly, developed by a third party, lol, some 100bn company. What a POS.

CBOEtrader says

bmwman91 says

Actually, the underwriters bought back tons of stock, judging by the way that the stock repeatedly hit a shoulder at $38. There was some serious intervention today, and it will be interesting to see what happens over the next few weeks.
Very interesting. Maybe they're worried about having dumped it on the public for far more than it's really worth.

The underwriters were defending the $38 price with a huge resting bid.
The articles I read made it sound normal, almost expected-- whereas the blogs are calling it manipulation.
Anyone here have any IPO knowledge? What is normal behavior for the underwriters? Anything potentially illegal going on here?
My gut is to agree with the articles, that this is normal for such a large, public IPO. The underwriters felt their accurate price discovery reputation was on the line.

From observation of progress in first day trading of FB appeared to be a big financial trap.

REpro says

From observation of progress in first day trading of FB appeared to be a big financial trap.

First day flop. It perfectly makes financial sense to get out now - if you hold it.

APOCALYPSEFUCK isFrank Sinatra says

Zuckfuck will be facing some awesome law suits by disgruntled investors very soon.

I hope the stock values stays up enough to pay the disgruntled investors.

Facebook IPO:

The LA Times recently marked the 50th anniversary of a seminal book: The Image - A Guide to Pseudo-events in America by Daniel Boorstin

The manufactured hype of the FB IPO would fit the pseudo-event description, although I doubt if Boorstin could have anticipated events in the financial sector being so well crafted and manipulated - then again, I guess that's what most of Wall Street is all about.

In a world saturated by every imaginable medium, each one perfectly designed for maximum manipulation and profit, we will continue to endure wave after wave of meaningless pseudo-events, and those rare events which mark true watersheds will be trivialized by the same media.

There is small comfort in the potential failure of the FB IPO, all of the sharks will have profited nicely regardless of the ultimate fate for the IPO.

facebook brought to you by the same pushers that sold MBS and CDS. What could possibly go wrong?

inflection point says

facebook brought to you by the same pushers that sold MBS and CDS. What could possibly go wrong?

no, not wall street.. it was when microsoft agreed to buy 1.6% share of FB for $240M. Then it became a bubble!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21458486/ns/business-us_business/t/microsoft-invests-million-facebook/

Indeed, honestly, when you look at facebook in the ebb and flow things; its peak was in 2009-2010.

By early 2011 the first falloff of disinterest began and nowadays I find it in the same state as Myspace circa 2007; well into its death throes, but no one has truly poked at it yet. They might use the same deceitful tactics as Activision-Blizzard did in WoW to cloak the massive drop in active users; but it is very much a shell of what it was a few years ago in actual usage.

Though not brilliant by any measure, going public to me was affirmation that Zuckerberg and crew knew the party was coming to a close and time to wring the last bit out.

thomas.wong1986 says

Thats just BS from journalist.. you cant sell anything on the secondary market unless its fully approved by the Board of Directors (Due to Goverence) and must be in compliance with SEC limits of 500 investors. Pre Ipo stock very often is restricted from trading and transfering to other parties. The 1000s is really not feasible...

Although I think Facebook is a turd, I know 1st hand this is not the case.

I personally know 2 very early engineers that "worked" at Facebook. Both have sold a large portion of their shares on the secondary market and have both made millions. One of them moved to Washington about 6 months ago and said he'd save "millions" just in taxes and has since "retired". He told me he got $30 a share. The other already owns a house here and has since "retired".

Again, I pretty much hate FakeFriendBook with a passion, but they most certainly did sell a ton of shares on the secondary market.

APOCALYPSEFUCK isFrank Sinatra says

Zuckfuck will be facing some awesome law suits by disgruntled investors very soon.

Good call! It has already happened:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-investor-sues-nasdaq-over-facebook-slipups-20120522,0,930879.story

Good call! It has already happened:

I gave the wrong link. This is the one actually about possible wrongdoing by Facebook:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/22/us-facebook-galvin-idUSBRE84L1BS20120522

Mark Zuckerberg as well as owners of Morgan Stanley, Charles Schwab, and Goldman Sachs all has the same ancestry - famous of screwing regular folks.

REpro says

Morgan Stanley, Charles Schwab, and Goldman Sachs all has the same ancestry - famous of screwing regular folks.

All because of greed of regular folks.

clambo says

I once predicted that microsoft would have to give away Office, and I see they did.

Where can I get a free copy of Office?