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Propaganda pure and simple. You've bought the lie. Welfare and food stamps is a system that allows some of your corporate overlords to pay employees less than they can live on.

Republicans spend more than democrats, they just cry real loud about fiscal responsibility when democrats are in power. GW gave the social security surplus to the rich in the form of tax cuts.

Think about it. You're supposedly upset about people paying higher taxes on the part of their income that's over 250K.

Gullible idiot.

If I said people like you are gullible idiots would it be any less personal?

marcus says

Bap33 says

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liberalism is a cancer on America's soul.

Oh, that's not personal. Thanks.

Fucking moron.

Better run back to Glenn Beck dot com, before you learn anything. Main stream media isn't dishonest or hyperbolic enough for you. I'm sure you think ABC and CNN are communist outlets.

marcus says

Bap33 says

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liberalism is a cancer on America's soul.

Not so funny thing is that liberalism has been on the decline for decades and the country has swung so far to the right that we now have this extreme dysfunction with a split between democrats who are to the right of what can sanely be described as center, and a far right wacko wing that uses money and leverage to force moderate republicans out. They all sign an oath about taxes, because they don't care if they destroy AMerica with debt.

The only way to be fiscally responsible is to pay your bills. Even most retarded folks understand this. IF we paid for what we spent, we would have to make the tough decisions. That's what they're afraid of. Making the tough decisions. Some say we aren't even a functioning democracy any more.

If we don't take the big money out of politics, we're toast. It might already be to late. But please spare your retarded claims about it being the fault of liberalism. I hate it when people are too stupid to know when they are lying (especially to themselves).

corporations do not vote
welfare sucking hyper-breeding scum do, as do drugged up dopeheads, as do constant-victims (lazy people of color, lazy/ugly people, ect).
and worst of all is the able bodied scum that like keeping the dependants down by handing them wealth. The same people that understand how bad it is to feed a bear in the woods just dont grasp how bad it is to remove the need to be productive from men, or the need to choose mates wisely from women.

What America needs less of is forced wealth redistribution, less welfare, less EPA (and everyone of it's sub-groups), to end the entire puplic funded school system, and less liberalism/progressiveism/leftism/anti-freedom/anti-self-reliance/anti-God/anti-Jew/anti-Americanism. We need less Holder, Pelosi, Clinton, Obama, and Sharpton. Less rap, less criminal behavior, less pervertion, less sexual deviant behavior, less time watching TV, less time on the internet, less time spend doing nothing. And less anger. I thought you dope-head hippy types were all about peace and love.

Nice name calling. Been practicing?

marcus says

If we don't take the big money out of politics, we're toast.

lamo ... you do know Lord Barry has done nothing but cash Soros checks for 6 years, dont you? Nothing but stump speeching for dollars. lmao

Bap33 says

corporations do not vote

They pay vast sums for the propaganda that gives you what you think (well sadly, I guess it is) your opinion.

It doesn't cost them that much really, because there are so many morons that eat up all the hate and lies (they tweak it to please low brow racist tastes), that it almost pays for itself with advertising dollars.

Yes, I'm talking about hate radio and Fox.

But they also pay for the lobbyist that rwrite the bills. And they pay for the "think tanks" and much else that drives policy.

Can you say Grover Norquist ? How about Tea Party?

corporations do not vote
welfare sucking hyper-breeding scum do, as do drugged up dopeheads, as do constant-victims (lazy people of color, lazy/ugly people, ect).
and worst of all is the able bodies scum that like keeping the dependants down by handing them wealth. The same people that understand how bad it is to feed a bear in the woods just dont graso how bad it is to remove the need to be productive from men, or the need to choose mates wisely from women.

What America needs less of is forced wealth redistribution, less welfare, less EPA (and everyone of it's sub-groups), to end the entire puplic funded school system, and less liberalism/progressiveism/leftism/anti-freedom/anti-self-reliance/anti-God/anti-Jew/anti-Americanism. We need less Holder, Pelosi, Clinton, Obama, and Sharpton. Less rap, less criminal behavior, less pervertion, less sexual deviant behavior, less time watching TV, less time on the internet, less time spend doing nothing. And less anger. I thought you dope-head hippy types were all about peace and love.

+1

Can we get this into BestOf, please?

marcus says

You've bought the lie.

no, you did. You think the invasion from mexico was no big deal. wanna bet? most of the economic bubble relied on that demographic. And every professional (doctor, teacher, lawyer, RE tycoon) are making big bank off of the invasion.
Prop 187 was the answer and an activist LIBERAL court stopped the voice of California's conservatives. Disgusting liberals are a cancer on America's soul.

marcus says

They pay vast sums for the propaganda that gives you what you think (well
sadly, I guess it is) your opinion.

to whom do they (or anyone) pay to share their message?? To the media outlets who then hand it over to the demoncrats ... NEXT

you need to get The Blaze right away. Subscribe right now! Go!

Self reliance, productivity, not being lazy, having a good work ethic and good ethics in general, "family values", moderation in the most pleasurable things,...etc

These are all good things. Only in Baps warped mind are these antithetical to "liberalism" or to left wing politics (which today means only a little right of center).

Respect for intelligence, and respect for research and science, respect for the arts, repect for people who are way different than I, ....etc...

This is the beginnings of a list that doesn't fit in with the right wing's agenda. Because they need the votes of the rednecks and the fundamentalists, if they are going to be able to get what the plutocrats and corporations want.

I always felt that the lack of respect for intelligence had to do with the fact that most of the more intelligent people with better reasoning skills aren't going to agree with their dogma. How can the right wing dimbulbs reconcile that ?

So they tell them, "don't worry,... I know it seems like the more intelligent people should be better equipped to handle these big questions, but you see they don't have the common sense kind of "feel it in your gut" intelligence that we have. "

Or to put it another way. If most of the people that are more intelligent than you (or way more intelligent), disagree with your ideology, then logically you have no choice but to reject intelligence.

And then we get this bullshit "my opinion is just as valid as yours, regardless of my intelligence." I would agree that everyone's opinion has value, and we are all entitled to our opinion. But when our opinions require a gross rejection of facts, and of intelligence, this should be a red flag, even to those with way below average reasoning skills.

I know what let's do. Let's blame everything we don't like in society on "liberlism."

Not enough jobs. It's the liberal's fault.

Too much debt and spending, It's the liberl's fault.

Too much entitlement among lazy poor youth (let's not talk about the big time entitlement to those making 7 and 8 figure incomes), it's the liberal's fault.

Not enough good Christian, anti sin, anti pleasure seeking values out in the culture, it's the liberls fault.

Miley Cirus changes her look and does a pretty entertaining well practiced perfomance at the VMAs(but a little too crude). It's the liberal's fault.

People like to get their minds altered, with alchohol, or weed, or prescription medications, for various reasons, including the suffering that can occur in life. It's the liberals fault.

People indulge in normal human behavior, including the negative or unhealthy behaviors. It's the liberal's fault.

Liberals are in charge of enabling and promoting all the things that Bap doesn't like in human society. All the negative and unhealthy things. Bap has more in common with the Taliban than he would like to admit.

Wait,...why hasn't obesity and over eating of unhealthy food been blamed on the liberals ? If anything they get blamed for too much attention being paid to eating healthy.

Hmmm. I wonder why...

marcus says

Only in Baps warped mind are these antithetical to "liberalism" or to left wing
politics (which today means only a little right of center).

and there it is ... the liberal's best friend ... relativism. You see, when you have to say something like, "...which TODAY means only a little right of center....", you say something very very important. You see, the target ,or center, between right and left, or right and wrong, only moves or changes in the deviant mind of the liberal/leftist/progressive/anti-America/anti-truth/self-centered type. Like, you, perhaps.
In the right mind of the right-minded the line between right and wrong, or right and left, does not move.
The differences of right and wrong are not relative, they are constant. We choose to CONSERVE their locations, and not DEVIATE from the norm.

marcus says

Liberals are in charge of enabling and promoting all the things that Bap
doesn't like in human society. All the negative and unhealthy things. Bap has
more in common with the Taliban than he would like to admit.

on point one you are correct.
on point two you fail to factor in personal accountablity, freedom and liberty. I am forced to pay for the bad choices of other voters, to the great benifit of a political party I find to be anti-AMerican, and disgusting. If the welfare system were not accessable to abusers, then my Talibanish view would not exist. If the Taliban were to come here, you know they will be harder on you libs and your personal enjoyments than on us greedy fat white conservatives. Plus, they know you aint armed, and they aint stupid.

lol .. and as usual you just skip ahead, attack a personal issue, skip ahead, attack a personal view, skip ahead ...... must you not stay on point? Do you suffer from ADHD or some other made-up-for-undisciplined-asses issue?

Marcus suffers from zimmermanfoundinnocent syndrome.
It's a hard one to get over.....

Bap33 says

Do you suffer from ADHD or some other made-up-for-undisciplined-asses issue?

Bap33 says

us greedy fat white conservatives.

You said you were a "Black African Prince"?

Bap33 says

must [marcus] not stay on point?

For marcus, the point of PatNet is to troll for fights with the people he pretends to ignore, e.g. you. The official title of the thread and his own role as "moderator" are both irrelevant to him, which is why most of his comments are off topic even in his own thread.

marcus says

What scares republicans the most about Obamacare

Simple: that lobby-driven POS shovels huge amounts of money to the campaign finance "donors" that wrote it, and they will finance Democratic candidates to keep it. The Republicans have long had most of the military industrial complex, which profits from killing people quickly, but now the Democrats have the medical industrial complex, which is even bigger because it profits even more from killing people slowly. Either way, people are trapped and slaughtered like CAFO cattle, but the Republicans thought they had cornered the market on using campaign money to fool people into voting against their own interests; now Democrats can outspend Republicans, so Republicans are scared.

c2, please check-out "on-line" by Brad Paisly on YouTube. Have a good evening.

Bap33 says

between right and left, or right and wrong

This confirms a theory of mine about Baps thinking.

Conservative means different things to many people. OF course the right wing isn't conservative any more.

But conservative to many means conservative in life. Frugal. Not decadent or sinful. Often it's goes with religion. Restaint and traditional values are key.

Bap confirms my theory of where his sick views come from.

To him "liberalism" is simply the opposite of these things.

This is beyond stupid. Not that democrat and republican even mean conservative and liberal anymore anyway.

You're hopeless Bap. Otherwise I would try.

Even in 1968, liberal was nothing like the opposite of conservative.

"Darrrr, me have it all figured out, conservatives are against sin, liberals are for sin"

Really Bap, I have to totally give up on you.

Today the right wing is anything but conservative. They're just radically against the other party having power and radically for their unspoken agenda. That is, spend beyond our means, we don't care, starve the beast, it will make it harder for the commie liberals to fund their evil agenda. We swear to not raise taxes, so any reduction in spending has to come from spending that's not our priorities (military and corporate welfare and low taxes for the wealthy).

Bap33 says

and as usual you just skip ahead, attack a personal issue, skip ahead, attack a personal view, skip ahead ...... must you not stay on point? Do you suffer from ADHD or some other made-up-for-undisciplined-asses issue?

Wtf ??

This coming from the guy who wrote this.Bap33 says

corporations do not vote
welfare sucking hyper-breeding scum do, as do drugged up dopeheads, as do constant-victims (lazy people of color, lazy/ugly people, ect).
and worst of all is the able bodies scum that like keeping the dependants down by handing them wealth. The same people that understand how bad it is to feed a bear in the woods just dont graso how bad it is to remove the need to be productive from men, or the need to choose mates wisely from women.

What America needs less of is forced wealth redistribution, less welfare, less EPA (and everyone of it's sub-groups), to end the entire puplic funded school system, and less liberalism/progressiveism/leftism/anti-freedom/anti-self-reliance/anti-God/anti-Jew/anti-Americanism. We need less Holder, Pelosi, Clinton, Obama, and Sharpton. Less rap, less criminal behavior, less pervertion, less sexual deviant behavior, less time watching TV, less time on the internet, less time spend doing nothing. And less anger. I thought you dope-head hippy types were all about peace and love.

And shortly thereafter

Bap33 says

on point two you fail to factor in personal accountablity, freedom and liberty. I am forced to pay for the bad choices of other voters, to the great benifit of a political party I find to be anti-AMerican, and disgusting.

IT's so stupid Bap. This isn't a personal attack. It's just a fact. What kind of moron takes all the things that they don't like in society and pins them on a political party? I'm assuming it's someone who has WAY WAY too much propaganda in their life.

This point of view alone should help you to understand how you're being used by powers that hold very few of your beliefs. To them you're just a peasant whose vote they can get by playing up the the 3 Gs, God, Guns and Gays. They need fundamentalists and dimwitted rednecks to win elections. And you buy their bullshit hook line and sinker.

Man did they ever see you coming.

Gullible sucker.

AverageBear says

Homeboy says

Not as big a deal as millions of people not being able to get health insurance AT ALL, which was the case before Obamacare

So, safe to say you are talking about the health care of illegal aliens? Because

No. Why the fuck would you say that? US citizens with pre-existing conditions have been unable to get healthcare. What, do you live under a rock? Try paying attention to the world around you once in awhile.

AverageBear says

Shifting 716 Billion dollars from Medicare (ie, stealing this from older American retired citizens who worked/lived here there entire lives, and had this earned money taken away by obama w/ the flick of his pen), and using it to cover medical costs of illegal aliens.

What the fuck are you talking about? No, illegal aliens are not eligible for ACA. You right-wing blowhards are just making shit up now. Just telling whatever lie you feel like. Pathetic.

AverageBear says

Tell me Homeboy (because no liberal will answer this question): Why has Obama granted thousands of waivers for this awesome law call Obamacare (or ACA)?? Hmmm?

Why do you say "no liberal" will answer that question? I've never heard of any liberal refusing to answer it. The waivers are news to me, so I looked it up. Factcheck.org says 222 waivers have been granted, not "thousands", and they are for only one year, to give employers a break on upgrading their insurance plans until ACA is fully implemented in 2014.

AverageBear says

So much, that companies big and small are holding off on expanding, and hiring new/more employees?

Do you have any actual data showing that business expansion has halted as a result of ACA?

Bap33 says

demoncrats forcibley remove the wealth from producers and hand it over to those they have deemed worthy. That is anti-American.

demoncrats/liberals/progressives have no moral anchor beyond "self". That is why they embrace deviant behavior. And they are sick sick sick sick-os.

I find your personal attacks so empty and weak ... I kinda pitty you a bit, little fella.

Mmmmm....you sure love drinking that Fox News Kool Aid, don't you?

marcus says

This confirms a theory of mine about Baps thinking.

You really believe there's any thinking going on there?

Homeboy says

Bap33 says

demoncrats/liberals/progressives have no moral anchor beyond "self"

Funny, I thought the republican party was the one that's all about selfishness.

Rationalize low taxes for themself (at the cost of the country via indebtedness). Bullshit rationalization for ending public schools. I guess it's just a coincidence that this is gaining steam right before whites become a minority.

"We don't wan't to pay for their education."

What's more selfish than denying one of the most basic tenets of Americans, going way back.

Only an idiot could successfully rationalize such selfishness.

Homeboy says

US citizens with pre-existing conditions have been unable to get healthcare

not true. healthcare is avbailable to all. I think you meant health insurance for pre-exisitng conditions, and that is also false, it just costs more.

Bap, you are in denial. You also have no clue what you're talking about. I certainly did not mean to say "health insurance for pre-existing conditions", as I doubt such a thing even exists. There is health insurance, and insurance companies are free to DENY policies to people who HAVE pre-existing conditions, just like an auto insurance company might turn you down for a policy if you've had 10 auto accidents in the last year.

As of right now, an insurance company does not HAVE to give you a health insurance policy if they don't want to. Starting in 2014, thanks to ACA, they DO have to give you a policy.

C'mon Bap, did you really miss this? It was in all the papers.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/39646830

The four largest health insurance companies in the US denied coverage to more than half a million individuals because of their pre-existing conditions from 2007 to 2009, according to a congressional investigation.

Ready to crawl out from under that rock yet, Bap?

It is developments like this which make me glad that this land will soon be under Sharia Law. The Christians who pretend that Jesus took a degree in economics at Chicago and then became a follower of Rothbard-Mises-Bastiat will finally have to shut up and go to Mecca with the rest of us.

Allahu Akhbar!

Homeboy says

http://www.cnbc.com/id/39646830

The four largest health insurance companies in the US denied coverage to more than half a million individuals because of their pre-existing conditions from 2007 to 2009, according to a congressional investigation.

Ready to crawl out from under that rock yet, Bap?

dude .. you said "health care" .. and I said you must have meant "health insurance" because EVERYONE has access to health CARE. Everyone. You, me, wetbacks, old people, AIDS people, ANYONE that walks into the hospital will get friggin CARE. Period.
Now, as i said, you mistakenly put "health care" where you meant "health INSURANCE" ... the two are not the same.

Who is under the rock now? Feel good? I feel kinda bad when you make it sooooo easy. NEXT.

Bap33 says

Homeboy says

US citizens with pre-existing conditions have been unable to get healthcare

not true. healthcare is avbailable to all. I think you meant health insurance for pre-exisitng conditions, and that is also false, it just costs more.

just incase you missed it the first time. You really try too hard to be a penis.

oh, and insurance is absolutly available (maybe not from "the big 4") but at any rate it may be put at a price so high that direct pay is cheaper.

Bap33 says

dude .. you said "health care" .. and I said you must have meant "health insurance" because EVERYONE has access to health CARE. Everyone. You, me, wetbacks, old people, AIDS people, ANYONE that walks into the hospital will get friggin CARE. Period.

Now, as i said, you mistakenly put "health care" where you meant "health INSURANCE" ... the two are not the same.

You are such a giant douche.

Bap33 says

oh, and insurance is absolutly available (maybe not from "the big 4") but at any rate it may be put at a price so high that direct pay is cheaper.

Bullshit.

That's your problem. You are so far in denial, you don't even understand why we needed healthcare reform. You thought everything was just fine, LOL. That explains your whole attitude; you're just fucking clueless.

Bap33 says

You really try too hard to be a penis.

I could never be as good at it as you are.

Homeboy says

AverageBear says

So much, that companies big and small are holding off on expanding, and hiring new/more employees?

Do you have any actual data showing that business expansion has halted as a result of ACA?

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Well, I don't have the data yet, but I do have a powerful union boss who felt he was duped by Obama, and his ACA. Even Trumka, an Obamacare lover, is now a jilted lover, verifying the FACT that MANY companies are scaling back workers hours to less than 30 hours a week to avoid Obamacare penalties.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/09/04/afl-cio-president-trumka-employers-restructuring-workforce-29-12-hour#ixzz2dwtDWx9o

...."In the past several months, the left and their media minions have pushed back against claims businesses are trimming worker hours to avoid ObamaCare.

During a recent interview, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka said employers are "restructuring their workforce to give workers 29 and a half hours so they don't have to provide them healthcare."

...."RICHARD TRUMKA, PRESIDENT AFL-CIO: The Affordable Care Act does need some modifications to it, because as it does right now, what's happening is, you have employers that the law says if you pay your, if your employees work 30 hours or more a week, you've got to give them healthcare. So they're restructuring their workforce to give workers 29 and a half hours so they don't have to provide them healthcare. They’re also doing some taxing to nonprofit plans to pay for for-profit plans.

Not what the President and his allies in the media are telling you, is it?"......

Homeboy says

Bap33 says

dude .. you said "health care" .. and I said you must have meant "health insurance" because EVERYONE has access to health CARE. Everyone. You, me, wetbacks, old people, AIDS people, ANYONE that walks into the hospital will get friggin CARE. Period.

Now, as i said, you mistakenly put "health care" where you meant "health INSURANCE" ... the two are not the same.

You are such a giant douche.

is that what you call people who are correct and point out where you are wrong? Interesting.

AverageBear says

Well, I don't have the data yet,

Exactly. So the rest of your post is irrelevant. I have posted data showing that the increase in part-time employment all happened BEFORE Obamacare, and that Obamacare has not caused any increase in the percentage of people who are employed part time. You have posted absolutely NO data.

And even if companies DID hire part-time employees rather than full-time, why is that bad? If they're doing it for the purpose of avoiding giving their full-time employees any benefits, then so what? Who wants a full-time job with no benefits anyway? That's shitty.

Bap33 says

is that what you call people who are correct and point out where you are wrong? Interesting.

Nope, it's what I call people who are douches, like you.

lmao ... ok, move along little fella ... grown folks are talking now.

Bap33 says

lmao ... ok, move along little fella ... grown folks are talking now.

Then stop interrupting them with your childish jabbering.

GRACE123 says

Homeboy,

I understand your frustration. I said at the beginning of this thread that My husband and I together make $ 75,000 a year and buy our insurance independently. (Blue Shield of Ca) We are now paying $772 a month with a $10,000 deductible. He is 61 and I am 55. We have watched are premiums rise dramatically, just like you. We feel very fortunate that we do not have any pre existing condition, and at least can get insurance, however, it is becoming unaffordable. I also understand that our premiums will rise in the independent market. If I go on the health Exchange for California and put in my information, the rate is around $1100.00 a month.

FYI, coveredca.com has been updated. Looks like the rates are going to depend where you live. I put in an L.A. zip code and it says you can get a bronze plan, which is only half the deductible you currently have, for the same price you currently pay. That's without any subsidy. Pretty good deal, eh?