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But you're perfectly OK with the 0.1% taking your money?

They do it via bank bailouts, oligopolies, giant defense contracts, and making you pay their taxes for them.

It's far more money out of your pocket than food stamp programs or fireman salaries.

Just want you to be consistent.

They do it via bank bailouts, oligopolies, giant defense contracts, and making you pay their taxes for them.

Pretty much, yes. Both parties are "socialist", but one wants socialism for the rich...

I am consistent. What makes you believe I am not?

So, your argument as you present it is: EVERYONE should be picking my pocket?
What exactly is your 1. position on the subject of taking from me to give to someone else, 2. taking from anyone to give to someone else?
You may use the following legal documents for your sources:
Declaration of indepentence, Constitution and Bill of Rights.
You may have 20 minutes, I do not allow extra time for those who claim they have difficulty taking tests.
You guys don't know any rich people. I am not one of them but I sure as hell know some of them. The vast majority of them are not the bankers who were bailed out.

clambo says

You may use the following legal documents for your sources:
Declaration of indepentence, Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Those documents mean nothing. They never have. Ask any black person about that...

No .1% gets a dime of my money.
I don't keep money in the goddam bank.
I have only vanguard money markets, bond funds, stock funds, and AAPL stock. I don't like giving my money for welfare to anyone, anywhere. If that is too unclear for you guys I can't help you because this cannot be expressed any more clearly.

they mean everything.
you have also never lived in another country, obviously.

Would any pencil necked geek here have the balls to take my money from me in the street to give to his favorite charity of the day?
No fuckin way.
They need to have guys like Obama who believe that men who used balls, brains and sweat should be forced to give money to the sec. 8 people, food stamp and SSI people, firemen, govt. worker millionaires, illegal aliens, etc.
I believe in sink or swim, make it or not, and keep what is yours.

Difference between Dems & Republicans?

One wears a condom while violently raping America. The other doesn't wear a condom while violently raping America. It's your pick as to who's who. The false partisan dichotomy is nothing more than smoke and mirrors to keep us divided while the nation is pillaged right in front of us while we squabble over largely meaningless talking points.

It's not meaningless to some of us.
Nobody is raping me, but Uncle Sam and Obama are trying to pick my pocket to support Maricela for example.
You liberals will be pleased, the illiterate Maricela had her baby girl and soon she will be getting a free place to live courtesy of taxpayers.
Oh and the sperm donor seems to be narrowed down to two whites. The black dude from her candy factory on the west side seems to be eliminated based on the tint of the baby.

While I am all for being irritated at having to subsidize the irresponsible spawning habits of illegals from the third world, they are a minor problem compared to the terrorists on Wall Street. It is safe to say that far more of my money, and that of my grandchildren someday, will be stolen and put into the possession of these psychopathic white collar criminals, than will be given to walking uteruses attached to vaginas that when observed, mimic clown cars. It's just a LOT more emotionally irritating to see the dumb masses of breeders because they are right here for us to see, while the Wall Street criminals are off in their ivory towers and out of our daily sight while they rob us blind. We need to collectively set our priorities. Welfare entitlements and such are A problem, but at the moment they are not THE problem. I see getting upset over that sort of like getting upset that you left the bathroom light on and it is costing you money...while the house is on fire.

Cloud says

Socialism gives guarantees until the money runs out. Then you have Greece.

Greece's money ran out because banksters cooked the books to siphon off public wealth and wealthy special interests carved out so many tax exemptions that the tax code is meaningless. That's not socialism. That's crony capitalism at its most extreme.

The difference between the parties?

Republican - What's yours is mine
Libertarian - What's mine is mine
Democrat - What's mine is yours

Cloud, I couldn'd have said it better myself. Here's my take:

Democrats = The overwhelming desire to force and control others. The lack of common sense, concerned only with the intention, never the (often disasterous) results of their actions. Unconcerned with unintended consequences. Offering up the illusion of utopia for the masses.

Others = Seek freedom, independence, and self reliance.

Get out of my face, leave me alone, mind your own business.
End of line.

Honest Abe says

Others = Seek freedom, independence, and self reliance.

As much as I agree with your description of Democrats, many Republicans are equally authoritarian in their disrespect for your property, rights, liberty. All of what you said can apply to many R policies.

Bluezette says

The difference between the parties?

Republican - What's yours is mine
Libertarian - What's mine is mine
Democrat - What's mine is yours

FAIL. Your view of democrats, especially, given their as expert as anyone at squandering $ trillions on pipe dreams paid for by someone else. Not defending R's, though.

Why not look at these parties through the lens of authoritarian behavior (i.e. willingness to threaten you and confiscate parts of your life and liberty, incarcerate or kill you if you don't comply when you're otherwise minding your own business / living perfectly consensually)

Republicans: Quasi-Authoritarian (for some liberty where they allow, but not if you're gay, or will run a police state so that they can carry on empire-like behavior abroad); will gladly have you incarcerated or shot if you don't contribute.

Democrats: "My view of collectivized entitlement charity is better than yours, and I will kill you or incarcerate you if you don't pay to fund my theories on social economic justice. Oh, and we like wars and banking about as much as the R's. Your right to say "no thanks"? LOL! The state owns you." The D's: "Slavery is wrong.... But confiscating 50% or more of your efforts is good so long as it's on behalf of the state!"

Libertarians: Do as you like, just please do it on your own dime and ask me for my consent before you do something that might affect my life (past, present, future) and liberty, thank you. Implied: what's mine is mine to do with as I please, charity or otherwise.

Cloud says

Obama's F'ing Chief of Staff was on retainer by Goldman Sachs at 30K a year!!! His job was to get Goldman jobs in the administration. What a joke. Where's the NY Times? CBS NBC ABC MSNBC CNN and the rest of the Obama Sachs bum kissers. No RollingStone Magazine is the ONLY outlet I see running with this outrageous corruption story. A rock and roll magazine?

Amen. A+ post.

You need to find yourself a copy of Griftopia, if you have not already read it. Matt Taibbi, the guy that writes all of the stuff for Rolling Stone, wrote the book and he details all of these perverse sweetheart deals, perpetrated by various administrations. He is particularly damning of Obama's health care "reform" and how Obama stripped out anything that sought to limit McCarran-Ferguson in order to force it through.

bmwman91 says

Obama stripped out anything that sought to limit McCarran-Ferguson in order to force it through.

"Politics is the art of the possible".

Leopold, I agree with you in the fact that politicians of both stripes are not averse to taking your liberty, property and rights.

Thats why I used the word "others" as opposed to "Republicans".

PS. I liked your post from 9:57 am

Abe

clambo says

No .1% gets a dime of my money.

You're very naive.

The 0.1% gets a cut of pretty much all the money you spend on anything.

And they get a cut of money you don't even spend, by diluting it with a printing press to create loans to bankers at 0% interest.

But since they have you looking down at the $1 that went to the poor, you don't look up to notice the $100 they took from you to give to the rich. Which of course is the whole idea behind AM radio. It's brilliant in a sick way. Your fear and hate is their wealth.

Vicente says

"Politics is the art of the possible".

I've heard that quote before too. It should terrify anyone.

wthrfrk80 says

I've heard that quote before too. It should terrify anyone.

I do not take it to mean anything sinister. Every ideology has it's zealots who think the PERFECT system can be achieved, if only the masses are tricked or beaten into submission. In point of fact compromises must be made, and the realities and hypocrisies of crowd behaviour have to be recognized.

You're very naive.

The 0.1% gets a cut of pretty much all the money you spend on anything.

And they get a cut of money you don't even spend, by diluting it with a printing press to create loans to bankers at 0% interest.

True. The 0.1% makes money

1. Through inflation. Even if you do nothing, they tax you for holding savings.
2. Through credit/debit cards. Even if you are a deadbeat who pays off your credit card before interest, or uses only a debit card, they charge the merchants for the electronic transfer and the merchants get that money from you.
3. Through obscene interest for short term loans. They make a lot of money on high interest rates and credit card fees.
4. Through bank savings/checking account fees. You loan your money to the bank for little to no interest and they charge you for it.
5. Through exploitation. Walmart’s CEO of U.S. Business Bill Simon gleefully bragged about exploiting the poor by stocking overpriced small packages when the poor or on welfare receive their checks and large, cheaper packages at other times in order to maximize the sucking of every cent from the poor including those supported by our taxpayer dollars. See http://nudges.org/the-hidden-behavioral-tax-from-a-tight-budget-lessons-from-late-night-walmart/
6. Through Congressional bribes. They bribe Congress and presidents so that the laws are written to help them exploit you.

Leopold B Scotch says

Implied: what's mine is mine to do with as I please, charity or otherwise.

Does that include the land stolen from the natives?