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lostand confused says

"The Matrix."

Nailed it!

The Matrix of curruption that all the sheeple continually decide to ignore

What ever the reason for Boston is nothing compared to:

Conspiracy,False Flag, Smoke & Mirrors,Misdirection leading to Death & Injury to American soldiers,Loss of American treasure, Death & Injury to innocent Iraqis, etc. caused "buy" Bush's & the Republicans Lie of Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Wonder if Boston has any relation to American invasions or military attacks on Muslim countries?

HEY YOU says

What ever the reason for Boston is nothing compared to:

Conspiracy,False Flag, Smoke & Mirrors,Misdirection leading to Death & Injury to American soldiers,Loss of American treasure, Death & Injury to innocent Iraqis, etc. caused "buy" Bush's & the Republicans Lie of Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Wonder if Boston has any relation to American invasions or military attacks on Muslim countries?

Now you're getting somewhere! All the hype about Iran that has been playing in the news has had a purpose: popular support of a war with Iran. Problem is, people are sick of war. It's not getting any traction with the public. The shadow government and the war profiteers are pissed about this. So how do you shift opinion towards war? Large public terror attacks on home ground sure did the trick back in on 9/11. But letting that happen/orchestrating that to happen now after funding the most massive government addition of Homeland Security and ramping up all funding for intelligence agencies would seem like a failure for them. So small scale is what's left.
Only thing that might surely work is a nuclear blast on a major american city. Let's hope the public can be persuaded of the necessity of another Mideast war without resorting to that!

HEY YOU says

What ever the reason for Boston is nothing compared to:

Conspiracy,False Flag, Smoke & Mirrors,Misdirection leading to Death & Injury to American soldiers,Loss of American treasure, Death & Injury to innocent Iraqis, etc. caused "buy" Bush's & the Republicans Lie of Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Wonder if Boston has any relation to American invasions or military attacks on Muslim countries?

That and I think our govt and politicians are so corrupt that people are now willing to believe anything. I remember in the Iraq war, when one soldier brought up to Donald Rumsfield's attention that he had to salvage scrap metal for his body armor or some such. Rumsfiled flippantly dismissed him by saying we go to war with the army we have and not the army we want or some such. But they had no problems giving billion dollar no bid contracts, flying suitcases full of money that disappeared. They didn't even pretend to be concerned about soldiers dying/losing limbs because of not getting the proper armor. Meanwhile there was the general or major ordering soldiers to put their underwear to laundry every day so that the contractor's quota could be met.

As a country we have become like that at every level-where millions of jobs can be offshored for the gain of a few. Welfare and food stamps may help-but at least a good majority would probably prefer a job.

When the govt stops caring for the majority and is extremely corrupt and nowadays with the Patriot act, the ability of the President to detain anyone indefnitely with no charges, people will naturally start believeing anything.

HEY YOU says

What ever the reason for Boston is nothing compared to:

Conspiracy,False Flag, Smoke & Mirrors,Misdirection leading to Death & Injury to American soldiers,Loss of American treasure, Death & Injury to innocent Iraqis, etc. caused "buy" Bush's & the Republicans Lie of Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Wonder if Boston has any relation to American invasions or military attacks on Muslim countries?

No way, why would people from oppressed countries retaliate against those they hold responsible for the oppression?

Bigbubbabear says

Welcome to the grand illusion, step on in and see what's happening,

pay the price and get your tickets for the show...

Don't be fooled by the photographs the TV or the magazines

Bigsby is a mega troll and needs to be defeated

http://patrick.net/?p=1224374

If you wan't to defeat this troll, ignore him.

If you wan't to defeat this troll,EXPOSE HIM!

What are you blathering about? So I'm now supposedly a mega troll because I find all this conspiracy nonsense from you and Bgamall utterly repulsive (though you obviously failed to notice why RFHTC posted that thread in the first place - paint me surprised)?

Really, what the hell are you posting up this shite for? Here you are linking to an article attacking some bloke who has just had both legs blown off. Seriously, you need fucking help.

Bigsby says

So are we supposed to praise his intellect when his argument 'sucks?

Obviously there is a mistake being made when the thought of approval is something to be attained

The only objective is to discredit the media sources that seek to mislead a manipulate the general populous for the benefit of the powers that be

In the same fashion this article is being discredited by individuals who support those powers that seek to sway the nation with misleading propaganda

http://patrick.net/?p=1224303

Quigley says

If they wanted him conveniently dead and unable to deny participation in attacks, they would try to ensure the death of both suspects, which they did.

The younger brother is alive, is he not?

Bigbubbabear says

Bigsby says

So are we supposed to praise his intellect when his argument 'sucks?

Obviously there is a mistake being made when the thought of approval is something to be attained

The only objective is to discredit the media sources that seek to mislead a manipulate the general populous for the benefit of the powers that be

In the same fashion this article is being discredited by individuals who support those powers that seek to sway the nation with misleading propaganda

Or maybe people are attacking what you posted up because it's an offensive piece of conspiracist bullshit. How exactly do you think the government could pull off such a thing in front of thousands of people and a vast array of media? It's just completely ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous. Apparently your government can do all that and yet they are incapable of killing one teenage kid holed up on a boat and suspected of being an armed to the teeth terrorist. Go figure.

Bigsby says

Or maybe people are attacking what you posted up because it's an offensive piece of conspiracist bullshit.

Obviously there is a mistake as usual in the preception the article is being attacked,

Don't tell me that you're ignorant enough to believe that there isn't enough talent or resources to orchestrate a maneuver of this magnitude

I haven't proven I'm right, yet
you haven't proven me wrong!

Bigbubbabear says

Obviously there is a mistake as usual in the preception the article is being attacked,

Don't tell me that you're ignorant enough to believe that there isn't enough talent or resources to orchestrate a maneuver of this magnitude

I haven't proven I'm right and

you haven't proven me wrong!

You are making the completely ridiculous claim. You are the one who has to prove it.

And no, I don't believe for a minute that the government could fake this, because that is what you are saying, isn't it - that these people are actors. You aren't claiming that some secret government agency planted a bomb that caused these injuries. You are saying it's a charade. A movie set. You should be careful with the conspiracy theories you peddle because even whackadoos will find this line pretty hard to swallow.

Bigsby says

I don't believe for a minute that the government

You have the right sway public opinion just as much as I do and hopefully my impact was much greater than yours I'm sure...

BTW : What injuries , all I see is powder and makeup

Bigbubbabear says

Bigsby says

I don't believe for a minute that the government

You have the right sway public opinion just as much as I do and hopefully my impact was much greater than yours I'm sure...

BTW : What injuries , all I see is powder and makeup

What impact? This is a real estate forum.

And seriously, are you delusional? Come on, do you really believe that the Boston bombing was a government orchestrated movie set or are you just on a wind up? I mean FFS, it's just utterly ridiculous. You are saying that every single person there, everyone, everyone within a reasonable proximity and not just those right next to the bombs, was in on this - every bloody person who could have run out of a building to help. That everything on video is fake. That all the injuries are make-up and previous amputees. That the dead people and those in hospital are what exactly? And that all those people working in the hospitals are simply in on it as well? All the media that have gone to the hospitals and the victims' homes? All the neighbours and friends...? Every fucking person in bloody Boston apparently.
You are a loon pure and simple. And if I were a conspiracy nut, then I'd actually think YOU were a paid government shill coming out with this level of bullshit.

Bigsby says

All the media

...and even Hitler had media propaganda program

So I presume YOU'RE going to fabricate another life long story to attempt to sway the populous just like a paid propagandist is supposed to do when an independent thinker, free from the constaints of influence of the state exposes the blatent truth

robertoaribas says

just in case his prior posts hadn't completely proven to everyone that big bubba was one stupid guy.... he does this. I will never read anything you write ever, you are a moronic ass. and a friend of mine was there.

Posts like yours are offensive.

Hopefully you'll stop posting your sockpuppet propaganda on anymore of Bubba's threads

Help! my prostetics falling off
http://www.youtube.com/embed/Hj0-Jd3nwlo

Bigbubbabear says

Bigsby says

All the media

...and even Hitler had media propaganda program

So I presume YOU'RE going to fabricate another life long story to attempt to sway the populous just like a paid propagandist is supposed to do when an independent thinker, free from the constaints of influence of the state exposes the blatent truth

You are on the wind up, aren't you? Fabricate another life long story? What are you on about?

And you're an independent thinker, are you? Independent from planet Earth that is. You do understand that there are one or two differences between media in 1933-1945 Nazi Germany and media in 2013 America. You do, don't you? Please tell me you do.

Bigsby says

some bloke who has just had both legs blown off.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/UVIMsLMyDMU&feature=player_embedded

Bigbubbabear says

Bigsby says

some bloke who has just had both legs blown off.

&feature=player_embedded

Let's just ignore for a minute the sick minded fucker who put that video together... the video is saying the explosion was real (naturally a government conspiracy to them), so why are you linking to it? And someone needs to explain to me why, if it's a real bomb as this video states, do they need to have an actor pretending to have his legs blown off? What do real bombs do?

Bigsby says

Let's just ignore for a minute the sick minded fucker who put that video together

Well then let me tone it down for you...

http://www.youtube.com/embed/xhZk8ronces

Oh, good grief. What the hell has that got to do with the Boston bombing? No one is arguing on here that certain (government) agencies don't get up to no good, so what is your point?

You are arguing that everything that happened in Boston was fake - not a bomb planted by some government agency, but a piece of theatre. You are batshit crazy if you think that.

And you still didn't address my point about why you linked to that video seeing as it contradicts your claims. Did you even watch it?

lostand confused says

When the govt stops caring for the majority and is extremely corrupt and nowadays with the Patriot act, the ability of the President to detain anyone indefnitely with no charges, people will naturally start believeing anything.

Exactly.
It always sounds like the people that adamantly denounce any alternative narratives, and paint them all with the "conspiracy theory" brush (as if there are never any conspiracies) believe EVERYTHING that the government and corporate media feed them.
Most people that have read any history at all understand that the government lies, and attempts to manipulate public opinion, all the damn time in matters large and small. (e.g., the Assad regime is using chemical weapons)
I don't know what happened on 911, or any of these instances, but I do know that they lied us into most, and all recent, wars. I do know that the FBI works diligently manufacturing little "terror" plots to justify their mission and further their agenda.
How do the credulous folks have such faith in their ability to discern exactly when these greed-driven, power-mad maniacs are lying?
I don't embrace the most outlandish alternative narratives but I sure as hell don't believe the government scripted media production that folks seem to accept without question.

Everyone is aware of actions undertaken for regime change, things like Iran-Contra, etc. etc. and no one is denying that they take place, but there's a gargantuan step from those to, for example, the 9/11 conspiracy so beloved of Bgamall. And getting back to the thread at hand, do you or do you not believe what Bigbubbabear is peddling on here - that Boston wasn't even a bombing but a bit of red paint pantomime!?

Bigsby says

Everyone is aware of actions undertaken for regime change, things like Iran-Contra, etc. etc. and no one is denying that they take place

I don't know if that is accurate.

Bigsby says

do you or do you not believe what Bigbubbabear is peddling on here - that Boston wasn't even a bombing but a bit of red paint pantomime!

I don't believe that. I don't know if that is what he believes.
I know that the FBI is managing the dissemination of information about its contact with these dopes. In the context of its active roll in a dozen recent "terror plots" it makes me skeptical of any of their press releases.
Why won't anybody acknowledge the presence of Craft military subcontractors at the scene?
People that have dealt with the FBI for decades (Jessie Trentadue, there is a "conspiracy' that I believe) say they will lie just to be lying.

robertoaribas says

just in case his prior posts hadn't completely proven to everyone that big bubba was one stupid guy.... he does this. I will never read anything you write ever, you are a moronic ass. and a friend of mine was there.

Posts like yours are offensive.

regardless of whether you think bubba's posts are stupid or not, why are you always so quick to insult people? Every post I see of yours is either bragging about yourself or insulting others. If someone posts something you disagree with, your response is always something along the lines of "you are dumb", "you are an idiot, etc, etc, etc."

Do you ever get the idea that people do not like you? It seems that way to me on these posts.

donjumpsuit says

the people who believe and prorogation them, believe that the government is actually capable of pulling off a hoax on such a grand scale.

I don't believe that, but I rarely take the dominant narrative at face value. People that do seem foolish.
Read about the many actual, verified false flag events.
These were conspiracies.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/htd2bKX8EtQ&feature=player_embedded

http://www.integratedtrainingsummit.org/presentations/2008/main_training_summit/course_18_-_tale_of_two_cities_and_the_running_of_a_planned_mass_casualty_event_-_serino_richard.pdf

Robert Sproul says

Read about the many actual, verified false flag events.
These were
conspiracies.

Examples?

The Gulf of Tonkin incident is the one that made me realize that they would stop at nothing.
The CIA "communist bombers" that destabilized Iran in the 50's seems applicable.
Operation Northwoods (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1) was a daft fever dream of the hawks of that era.
Maybe they got more sophisticated in ways of realizing their ambition of permanent warfare, you tell me.

Robert Sproul says

The Gulf of Tonkin incident is the one that made me realize that they would stop
at nothing

Huh? I'm not expert, but it seems to me like it was more the fog of war--not a premeditated action--and most certainly not a false flag.

Robert Sproul says

The CIA "communist bombers" that destabilized Iran in the 50's seems
applicable.

Again--how is this a false flag??

Robert Sproul says

Operation Northwoods (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1) was a
daft fever dream of the hawks of that era.
Maybe they got more sophisticated
in ways of realizing their ambition of permanent warfare, you tell me.

And proposals that were rejected--that's your evidence?

Bigbubbabear says

I haven't proven I'm right, yet

you haven't proven me wrong!

You're the genius who started this topic, so you have to prove it.

Calling someone crazy whose version of the truth differs from your own is called "gas lighting" and it's a favorite trick of sociopaths.

rooemoore says

Bigbubbabear says

I haven't proven I'm right, yet

you haven't proven me wrong!

You're the genius who started this topic, so you have to prove it.

So what you mean to tell me is that media bias is nonexistent......

By definition there aren't different versions of the truth. There is truth and there are lies.

tatupu70 says

Huh? I'm not expert, but it seems to me like it was more the fog of war--not a premeditated action--and most certainly not a false flag.

tatupu70 says

Again--how is this a false flag??

tatupu70 says

And proposals that were rejected--that's your evidence?

Well then, that's settled.
You changed my mind with nitpicking and semantics.
I have a new found trust in the obviously benign methods and goals of what I had thought of as a self seeking Military/Industrial War Machine.
I shall slander their completely transparent and above board actions no more.

Robert Sproul says

Well then, that's settled.

You changed my mind with nitpicking and semantics.

Really--you're calling the difference between an overaggressive soldier mistakenly firing at night and the US government orchestrating a hoax and killing its own citizens "semantics" and "nitpicking"

Are you kidding me?

tatupu70 says

an overaggressive soldier mistakenly firing at night

See you'll believe anything.
tatupu70 says

killing its own citizens

The same government that kills 45k of its citizens every year because of its corrupt kowtowing to the "health care" cartels? They would never fail to restrain the war profiteers.
You trust 'em friend, I don't.
They now claim the right to kill you without trial, I really do hope they are who you think they are and not who I think they are.

Robert Sproul says

See you'll believe anything.

I'll believe what the facts show to be the truth.

Robert Sproul says

The same government that kills 45k of its citizens every year because of its corrupt kowtowing to the "health care" cartels? They would never fail to restrain the war profiteers.

You trust 'em friend, I don't.

They now claim the right to kill you without trial, I really do hope they are who you think they are and not who I think they are.

Where do you get the idea that I always trust the government? The government is made of people--some trustworthy, some not. Like I said--I try to look at things objectively and let the facts guide me.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/_8IOo4hjlmE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/embed/yLGCp-AYee8&feature=youtube_gdata_player