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FortWayne
2014 Apr 24, 2:18am
3. Liberals are concerned with equality under law. And anyone who isn't, is not a real American. The very foundation of American political philosophy is "all are created equal with inalienable rights".
Equality of rights does not mean same thing as equality of outcome. Marriage is same for everyone, we don't need to have additional rules for people who play by the rules not acceptable in society.
You can't marry a pig, a chicken, or a cow. You shouldn't have men marrying men either. Because that disrupts the structure of society, and it starts taking a toll on it. If kids see men marrying men, they are likely to do it themselves later, and that's something that is not acceptable.
You liberals were all gung-ho about legalizing marijuana in Colorado, now every day we hear news from Colorado about minors, young children, sometimes as young as third grade, dying from drugs. There are consequences for your wreckless "freedom" to screw everything around.
Vicente
2014 Apr 24, 3:12am
Never saw any there (on campue) and only heard about them being in the area below North Ave near that old dorm there. That would have been 1983-1988
Techwood Dorms, that's where I lived! Junior's Grill was on North Avenue right around the corner at the time. Plenty of homeless along the Varsity axis there. Also pretty common in Home Park, where I ended up later. Used to see them wandering campus all the time though, going through the dumpsters and recycling bins for aluminum. Most people just didn't "see" them because they didn't want to, and also because they tended to loop around in the early morning hours.
Dan8267
2014 Apr 24, 3:20am
Pretend you are playing chess, not checkers....take your statement out to it's logical conclusion.
if one is married, and one is not getting sex, then one is likely to seek out of wedlock sexual affairs.
Thus the proliferation of AIDS continues.
If you think that single gay men have fewer sexual partners than married gay men, you are crazy.
Once again, marriage, including same-sex marriages, discourages the spread of sexual transmitted diseases including AIDS.
Of course, your not being sincere. If AIDS and other sexual transmitted diseases did not exist or where cured by medical science like smallpox was, would you then have no objections to same-sex marriage or gay sex?
Oh, and it's 'uttered'.
Ooo, a spelling mistake. You got me there. Of course, using that to imply anything of significance is stupid.
Why limit your analysis to "christian definitions"?
Why indeed. Mormons defined marriage as between a man and many wives, so polygamy should be legal if we go by religious definitions. Think I can't find a religion in which men were allowed to marry? I doubt I'd have to look farther than ancient Greece.
And hell, why can't I or anyone else start up their own religion. The gays are free to start their own religion that defines marriage as between two people of the same sex. Then we have to outlaw straight marriage, right?
#1: Same sex marriage is not monogamous
Statistics taken from the liberal bastion of society, your alma mater..
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17951664/ns/health-sexual_health/t/many-
cheat-thrill-more-stay-true-love/
are, estimating that 44 percent of married men and 36 percent of married women are unfaithful., the survey found.
You do realize that the article is talking about heterosexual marriages, right?
Numerous studies have confirmed the obvious, the percentage of infidelity ranked most to least are: male-male, male-female, female-female. And the difference between lesbian fidelity and straight fidelity is far, far greater than between straight fidelity and gay male fidelity.
In other words, it is maleness, not gayness, that causes cheating. Lesbians have a far lower rate of infidelity than any other pairing. If were defining marriage based on fidelity ratings, then clearly marriage should be defined as a coupling between one woman and one other woman.
You're playing chess; I'm playing Raumschach.
Dan8267
2014 Apr 24, 3:28am
Equality of rights does not mean same thing as equality of outcome.
Straw Man argument. No one has ever suggested that, and outcome has nothing to do with marriage equality. Marriage equality is about equality of rights. That's exactly what it's about.
Marriage is same for everyone, we don't need to have additional rules for people who play by the rules not acceptable in society.
1. Marriage should be defined the same for everyone, and it should not include gender any more than it includes race.
2. Marriage equality decreases the number of rules in our society, simplifies both legislation and legal compliance for businesses, and reduces the cost of compliance.
3. Society does not hold opinions. People do. And the majority of people support marriage equality and this percentage is steadily growing as old bigots die off and new people come of age. The inevitable trend is towards near 100% acceptance of marriage equality.
4. The rights of individuals should trump the tyranny of the majority. So making the case that most people don't want something isn't a good argument anyway. When Islam becomes the dominant religion in the United States, and at the rate its growing it will, do you want Sharia Law forced upon you because the predominant Islamic society has accepted those rules?
5. The bottom line is that you are trying to use the state's monopoly on violence to force your religion upon others. Just remember, if you set that kind of precedent, its inevitable it will be used against you and your religion. There's a reason why separate church and state.
Y
2014 Apr 24, 3:31am
Study #2
A telephone survey conducted for Parade magazine revealed what was described as a “magnum order†of difference in the lifetime rate of infidelity among heterosexual couples, as compared to the rate of infidelity among homosexual couples. See researcher's comments at OrthodoxyToday.org.
Based on statistics from this study, which were mention in Parade magazine's article by M. Clements, entitled “Sex in America Today: A New National Survey Reveals How our Attitudes are Changing,†(Parade, August 7, 1994, pp. 4–6.), researchers concluded:
. . . even "committed" homosexual relationships display a fundamental incapacity for the faithfulness and commitment that is axiomatic to the institution of marriage. .
Y
2014 Apr 24, 3:32am
Study #3
In a study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, M. Pollack found that
"few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners.â€
Dan8267
2014 Apr 24, 3:33am
You liberals were all gung-ho about legalizing marijuana in Colorado, now every day we hear news from Colorado about minors, young children, sometimes as young as third grade, dying from drugs. There are consequences for your wreckless "freedom" to screw everything around.
I call bullshit. Show me one case when a child, hell anyone, has died from marijuana overdose.
I call double bullshit. I can give you millions of cases when children have died from alcohol poisoning. Following your logic, alcohol should be illegal.
I call triple bullshit. I can give a plethora of cases where innocent men, women, and children have been slaughtered by the police in the war on drugs.
I call quadruple bullshit. A person smoking pot does not infringe upon your rights. A person having consensual sex with another person, regardless of that person's gender, does not infringe upon your rights. You conservatives claim to be for small government and against the nanny state, but in reality you conservatives are the most vocal advocates of big government and the nanny state. If you really believed that government that governs least governs best, then you would be against any laws except those that prevent the infringement of other people's rights.
I call quintuple bullshit. Even if gays and lesbians can't marry, they are still going to have sex. In fact, even more of it with even more partners because they aren't allowed to marry. Marriage encourages monogamy. Single life certainly doesn't.
And you certainly cannot outlaw freedom of sex in this country. It's too ingrain in our economy and society. You can't even eliminate sex in advertising and you think you can use the violence of the state to keep people from having consensual sex? You're delusional.
Y
2014 Apr 24, 3:33am
Pollack concluded:
“Even in those homosexual relationships in which the partners consider themselves to be in a committed relationship, the meaning of ‘committed’ typically means something radically different than in heterosexual marriage.â€
Y
2014 Apr 24, 3:36am
My goal is to save lives by discouraging behavior which can lead to an unnecessary early death and wasted life.
If AIDS and other sexual transmitted diseases did not exist or where cured by medical science like smallpox was, would you then have no objections to same-sex marriage or gay sex?
Dan8267
2014 Apr 24, 3:40am
My goal is to save lives by discouraging behavior which can lead to an unnecessary early death and wasted life.
Then discourage people from voting Republican. They start wars that kill millions of people. They support a warfare industry that destabilizes the world and creates conflict in order to maintain revenue streams.
And advocate a 90% cut in warfare spending. Starve the war machine and fewer people will experience an unnecessary early death and wasted life.
Also, demand a ban to pollution starting with coal power plants. Pollution kills more people than anything else. Just think of all the miscarriages caused by pollution. Consider them forced abortions.
And demand a complete government takeover of the health insurance industry. Private health insurance drastically lowers both the quality and length of life in our country.
Y
2014 Apr 24, 3:41am
While highlighting one's spelling mistakes has little impact on the argument, from time to time it does provide insight into one's mental capacities and reluctance to acknowledge minor details which may or may not influence the debate at hand.
Oh, and it's 'uttered'.
Ooo, a spelling mistake. You got me there. Of course, using that to imply anything of significance is stupid.
Y
2014 Apr 24, 3:42am
Greece doesn't count, as no other country has that abundance of olive oil....
Think I can't find a religion in which men were allowed to marry? I doubt I'd have to look farther than ancient Greece.
Y
2014 Apr 24, 3:44am
You just pulled that one out your ass.....
Any cursory google search will show the exact opposite of what you state below. See my other posts for details.
Dan8267 says
Numerous studies have confirmed the obvious, the percentage of infidelity ranked most to least are: male-male, male-female, female-female.
curious2
2014 Apr 24, 4:03am
Dan, the Jackass Crab is trolling again. MrEd/SoftShell/Paralithodes is a delusional loser in Texas whom most people wouldn't even spit on IRL, because it would be a waste of spit. The pseudo-scientific dross in the comments above is copied and pasted from a blog on examiner.com, and the references on that page don't even have working links to the purported sources, only to more garbage by the same blogger. Even Wikipedia doesn't consider Examiner blogs to be reliable, and even examiner.com doesn't stand behind them, despite publishing them:
The blog in question was written by a self-styled "infidelity expert" and links to her now-defunct website, www.NationalInfiddelity.com. But that isn't even the point. Trolls troll in order to get attention. The groups they insult are merely collateral damage.
Dan8267
2014 Apr 24, 6:16am
from time to time it does provide insight into one's mental capacities and reluctance to acknowledge minor details which may or may not influence the debate at hand.
No, it's just petty.
Unless the post is unintelligible or unclear, it shows pettiness to bitch about that. Just look at the multitude of grammatical and spelling errors from opponent on both the left and the right that I've overlooked. I would be lodging several complaints for each of their posts if I were to point everything out. And their posts tend to be damn short.
Dan8267
2014 Apr 24, 6:39am
You just pulled that one out your ass.....
Any cursory google search will show the exact opposite of what you state below. See my other posts for details.
Numerous studies have confirmed the obvious, the percentage of infidelity ranked most to least are: male-male, male-female, female-female.
Above is an actual lesbian couple who got married as soon as they could legally do so. They had been together for decades before the law was changed to allow them to marry.
You are honestly arguing that the couple above are far more likely to cheat on each other than a typical straight couple and therefore should be deny the right to marry. You are completely divorced from reality.
Dan8267
2014 Apr 24, 6:40am
hehhehheh....good one..
You're playing chess; I'm playing Raumschach.
Um, the above post is like the only thing SoftShell has said that shouldn't be disliked.
Dan8267
2014 Apr 24, 6:42am
Even Wikipedia doesn't consider Examiner blogs to be reliable
Wow, that's like Lindsay Lohan calling you a drunken skank. Or Paul Ryan calling you a job creator.
FortWayne
2014 Apr 24, 8:57am
I call quadruple bullshit. A person smoking pot does not infringe upon your rights. A person having consensual sex with another person, regardless of that person's gender, does not infringe upon your rights.
- Yes smoking does infringe on my rights and my childrents rights to breathe clean air.
- Sex, sure go have sex with whatever the hell you want. No one is questioning that. Marriage on the other hand is something that needs legal social acceptance, which is by definition between one man and one woman. Same rules for everyone, don't try to bend them to fit a case of a few perverts who want men marrying men and humans marrying poultry or bovine.
I call bullshit. Show me one case when a child, hell anyone, has died from marijuana overdose.
Watch the morning news, plenty to see there. There was a story just this morning. Like anything, legalizing it makes it grow and spread. All you liberals know how to spread with your "freedom stride" is pot, child death, abortions, gays, and std's.
Y
2014 Apr 24, 9:29am
Here! Here! Mr Wayne!!!
- Yes smoking does infringe on my rights and my childrents rights to breathe clean air.
- Sex, sure go have sex with whatever the hell you want. No one is questioning that. Marriage on the other hand is something that needs legal social acceptance, which is by definition between one man and one woman. Same rules for everyone, don't try to bend them to fit a case of a few perverts who want men marrying men and humans marrying poultry or bovine.
Y
2014 Apr 24, 9:31am
So you are now into cherrypickin only the goodies.....I see.
No, I am arguing that homosexual marriages are far more likely to have cheating partners than normal marriages.
I'm arguing the statistics of millions, not single datapoints.
Above is an actual lesbian couple who got married as soon as they could legally do so. They had been together for decades before the law was changed to allow them to marry.
You are honestly arguing that the couple above are far more likely to cheat on each other than a typical straight couple and therefore should be deny the right to marry. You are completely divorced from reality.
Y
2014 Apr 24, 9:36am
In other words, you've lost the argument based on my statistical facts, so now you wish to dodge and shift in a vain attempt to change the topic, and project me as some of the miscreants in your past who apparently have skeletons in their warehouses you wish to project onto me...
I see............................................................................................................
Dan, the Jackass Crab is trolling again. MrEd/SoftShell/Paralithodes is a delusional loser in Texas whom most people wouldn't even spit on IRL, because it would be a waste of spit.
Dan8267
2014 Apr 24, 10:13am
Yes smoking does infringe on my rights and my childrents rights to breathe clean air.
Exactly. Whereas two men or two women being married does not infringe upon any of your rights.
Marriage on the other hand is something that needs legal social acceptance
There is no such thing as "legal social acceptance". Legality and social acceptance have nothing to do with each other. It's legal to fart in public even if it's not socially acceptable.
Furthermore, same sex marriage have become socially acceptable. The majority of Americans support marriage equality.
Even more importantly, Christianity is becoming more socially unacceptable every year. Should we outlaw your religion because of this?
by definition between one man and one woman
Who the fuck are you to impose that definition on anyone? Even if I accepted your definition, my conclusion would be that the state cannot recognize ANY marriage because it is purely a religious institution and one that discriminates and violates the 14th Amendment. By pushing that definition you are only succeeding in persuading people to take away YOUR marriage rights.
I don't want YOUR definition to have any legal weight and the majority of Americans are with me. Who the hell died and made you god of marriages? Why should your social agenda have more weight than that of 200 million other Americans?
You still haven't given me one damn reason why marriage should be restricted to people of the opposite gender. Nor have you addressed who a hermaphrodite should be allowed to marry.
Like anything, legalizing it makes it grow and spread.
And why the hell shouldn't gay marriage spread and grow?
The only thing here I see that needs to be made illegal and prosecuted is Christianity. Now that's an evil that should be outlawed. Amend the Constitution to revoke all religious freedoms as they are incompatible with human rights. This very conversation proves that.
The last thing we need spreading in the nuclear age is the irrationality and intolerance of religion. Religion promotes hatred and discord as evident by the fact that it is the core of all opposition of marriage equality.
a few perverts who want men marrying men and humans marrying poultry or bovine.
The mere fact that you equate homosexuality with bestiality -- two things that have absolutely no connection to any sane person -- proves beyond any doubt how religion harms children. It causes them to grow up to become people who would say that marrying men and marrying bovines are the same thing. That alone is justification to ban religion and its indoctrination of children.
Dan8267
2014 Apr 24, 10:14am
So you are now into cherrypickin only the goodies.
If a law violates the rights of a single person, it is unacceptable. One example is enough to strike that any law in the name of justice.
Dan8267
2014 Apr 24, 10:18am
No, I am arguing that homosexual marriages are far more likely to have cheating partners than normal marriages.
Even if what you say is true, which evidence regarding lesbian long-term relationships contradicts, but even if it were true, that would not be any case for banning same-sex marriages.
50% of heterosexual marriages end in divorce, but if 53% of gay marriages end in divorce that is grounds for banning them?
What arbitrary cutoff point are you using for the percentage of infidelity used to justify banning marriage? Now that's cherry picking.
If the presence of infidelity in some heterosexual marriages is not cause to ban heterosexual marriage, then the presence of infidelity in homosexual marriages (which haven't been measured because there haven't been any!) is not cause for banning same-sex marriages.
Dan8267
2014 Apr 24, 10:19am
In other words, you've lost the argument based on my statistical facts
Actually, curious2 tore apart the legitimacy of your so-called evidence.
FortWayne
2014 Apr 24, 10:28am
Who the fuck are you to impose that definition on anyone?
I'm not alone with that definition, it's been a definition for centuries and it's a building block of our society.
Ask yourself Dan, who the hell are you to redefine the marriage for everyone as something that all of a sudden accepts a man and a man or a man and his pig.
FortWayne
2014 Apr 24, 10:29am
You still haven't given me one damn reason why marriage should be restricted to people of the opposite gender. Nor have you addressed who a hermaphrodite should be allowed to marry.
I did plenty of times, you just disregarded it because you don't like those reasons. I've mentioned how it affects children who are witness. It's inconvenient truth to libereals.
Dan8267
2014 Apr 24, 12:09pm
I'm not alone with that definition, it's been a definition for centuries and it's a building block of our society.
Ask yourself Dan, who the hell are you to redefine the marriage for everyone as something that all of a sudden accepts a man and a man or a man and his pig.
No one is purposing that people be able to marry pigs, cows, chickens, or any non-human animal. Only despicable Christians like you equate homosexuality with bestiality. Marriage, as far as the state is concerned, is a legal contract. You can enter a legal contract with a person of either gender. You can't enter a legal contract with a pig.
To equate homosexuality with bestiality is to equate gays and lesbians with subhuman animals. This was a stupid and offensive argument back in the 1960s when people made it in regards to interracial marriage, and it is a stupid and offensive argument today for the exact same reasons.
As for the real issue, the 14th Amendment guarantees that all persons have the same rights under law. The case of Loving v. Virginia, decided by the Supreme Court in 1967, upheld that marriage is a human right available to all persons and cannot be denied by the state. This is why the legal, secular definition of marriage must include same-sex couples or the very concept of marriage must be banned from all legislation.
I don't give a flying fuck about whether or not your evil church recognizes a marriage or performs a ceremony, but I sure as hell am not going to tolerate the state discriminating against homosexuals when it comes to taxes, property-rights, spousal benefits, and thousands of other rights. Why? Because I'm a real American, and real Americans believe in equality under law.
If you don't believe in this fundamental American principle, then you should move to Russia. After all, Putin is the ideal conservative. He hates gays, worships a false god, violates human rights, wants to use the military to take over everything, and is blindly nationalistic. He's the perfect Republican. No wonder the Republican color is commie red.
Dan8267
2014 Apr 24, 12:15pm
I did plenty of times, you just disregarded it because you don't like those reasons. I've mentioned how it affects children who are witness. It's inconvenient truth to libereals.
Wrong. Your assertion that seeing two guys kiss will fuck up a kid has no basis in reality or scientific evidence.
In contrast, we can show multitudes of examples of children being fucked up by religion, particularly your religion, Christianity. Now that's child abuse.
Not only are children not screwed up by seeing gay people kiss, which will happen regardless of whether or not same sex marriage is legalized, but in fact children grow up healthy when raised by same-sex couples.
For example,
Y
2014 Apr 24, 1:09pm
wow.
you aspire for me to go back in time and waste two other human beings.
that's sick. I would not even pin that one on liberals...
just you. sick.
My goal is to save lives by discouraging behavior which can lead to an unnecessary early death and wasted life.
Then you should aspire to a time machine and a bullet to the head of both your parents.
Y
2014 Apr 24, 1:10pm
If one of them cuts their pecker off, maybe we can all close our eyes and pretend it's legit....
Not only are children not screwed up by seeing gay people kiss, which will happen regardless of whether or not same sex marriage is legalized, but in fact children grow up healthy when raised by same-sex couples.
Y
2014 Apr 24, 1:11pm
Curious2 did no such thing, other than to try to pin other names on me.
In other words, you've lost the argument based on my statistical facts
Actually, curious2 tore apart the legitimacy of your so-called evidence.
Y
2014 Apr 25, 2:07am
I can read. Just look at what you wrote....and my reply.
you can't run and hide from it.
My goal is to save lives by discouraging behavior which can lead to an unnecessary early death and wasted life.
Then you should aspire to a time machine and a bullet to the head of both your parents.
and my reply
wow.
you aspire for me to go back in time and waste two other human beings.
that's sick. I would not even pin that one on liberals...
just you. sick.
FortWayne
2014 Apr 25, 2:47am
As for the real issue, the 14th Amendment guarantees that all persons have the same rights under law.
It is same rights now, a marriage is same for everyone one man + one woman. Done. A man and a man, or man and 10 wives, a man and a pig are not marriage, it's just sick, it hurts society, and children.
You can't enter a legal contract with a pig.
Hell, why not? If a man can marry a man, and it has no purpose, why can't a man marry a cricket or a shoe or a pig. If you can skin it, butcher it and eat it, why not marry it while at it. It's all same pointless liberal made up fantasy bs anyway. You liberals are something. If Hillary loses next election, it'll only be because of you liberals going overboard trying to spread gays and pot to everyone for your personal sick pleasures causing America to run away from the Democratic party.
FortWayne
2014 Apr 25, 2:49am
Wrong. Your assertion that seeing two guys kiss will fuck up a kid has no basis in reality or scientific evidence.
This has been proven even to you, multiple times, that there is scientific evidence. You liberals ignore it every time, because it doesn't fit into your argument.
This has been proven even to you, multiple times, that there is scientific evidence.
No, this hasn't been proven by any intelligent scholar. You are completely full of shit here and speaking ex rectum here. Moreover, any argument you are unable to make on facts and evidence (which is pretty much everything) is going to be extremely weak from the outset -- your arguments function largely as ad hominems and strawmen, which is why they are always weak. Any time you talk about political spectrum instead of the merits, you look like an idiot.
Again, here's just one source:
http://www.bu.edu/today/2013/gay-parents-as-good-as-straight-ones/
That article is great because it also details the major flaws in the studies that suggest there is any negative consequence, e.g. the researcher intentionally picked kids of divorced homes and compared them to undivorced hetero couples -- classic bias.
You only have to look at the Prop 8 trial in California to see how incompetent the anti-gay marriage side was in presenting their case because there actually is no evidence of harm, and there's no evidence that the purpose of marriage is for child-bearing (otherwise we wouldn't allow sterile people and old people to get married) -- their best arguments were still ridiculously pathetic and laughable.
Methinks Fort Wayne protest too much -- he really has something up his ass about this topic.
Y
2014 Apr 25, 3:51am
From someone named "corntrollio" this is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black...
Methinks Fort Wayne protest too much -- he really has something up his ass about this topic.
Dan8267
2014 Apr 25, 3:54am
It is same rights now, a marriage is same for everyone one man + one woman. Done.
No, it's not. 14th Amendment. Supreme Court case Loving v. Virginia.
You can whine as much as you want. You do not get to dictate people's rights.
But I'll accept your principle when it comes to the right to bare arms. You can bare the exact arms that were available when the Second Amendment was written and nothing more. In other words, you can have a musket, but not a pistol, rifle, or shotgun.
If the law cannot adopt the legal status of marriage to include same-sex couples, then the law cannot expand the definition of arms to include modern guns when the only arms available when the Second Amendment was written.
A man and a man, or man and 10 wives, a man and a pig are not marriage, it's just sick, it hurts society, and children.
No. You're thinking of religion. Religion is just sick and hurts society and children. Oh, and guns. Guns are just sick and hurts society and children.
Same-sex marriages don't harm anyone. And there's going to be just as much if not more same-sex sex without same-sex marriages. Banning same-sex marriage is just going to encourage more gay pride parades and more public displays of homosexual affection including in front of kids.
You have just illustrated why gay pride parades are necessary. You have just shown why two men in love with each other have to kiss in front of children. It's the only way to end the bigotry and the false accusation of abnormality. When kids witness gay people making out every day, they won't think it's weird and they won't believe people like you when you tell them it's sick an abnormal.
You're encouraging gays to do in public exactly what you don't want your kids seeing. If they were married and had the same rights, they could be romantic in the privacy of their own homes. It is precisely because of your bigotry that they have to overtly reveal themselves.
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I mean you guys talk about inequality, and Socialism to care for the old, poor and sick, you want all of those things. Just as long as a middle aged white guy and baby boomers pay for it.
...and just NOT in YOUR "Good School Districts".
It cramps your style.
And NOBODY gets NUTTIN'! Unless it came from taxmoney from the old white guys and boomers. And then you'll only get enough to keep you poor. Now don't go getting too comfortable either.
The Liberals needs you broke, hungry, stupid and pissed off at the fat old white guys.