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mell says

If the goal is to discourage marriages and kids (some say we are overpopulated anyways), then modern America is certainly doing something right.

Now that's an interesting causation idea.

komputodo says

Too much TV for the dove..

Brings to mind those TV shows that are popular now where women single women are police detectives. Woman leaves the house at the crack of dawn. She's out on the street dodging bullets all day then she's at the bar till late evening with the boys drinking single malt scotch winding down. Get's home around 9-10 at night and spends 10 minutes talking to her kid..Sounds like a wonderful life.

next day, rinse and repeat.

its all part of the marketing, that women can actually have lives like this.

do you really think that this 'businesswomen'/CEO life is actually realistic for most women? not even close. Mothering is a full time job. They just sell these feminist ideas to the public because it keeps the population in check, they don't actually delivery any 'equality' to women at all.

The Original Bankster says

Mothering is a full time job.

You can outsource much of that to a nanny.

Peter P says

The Original Bankster says

Mothering is a full time job.

You can outsource much of that to a nanny.

and where will the nannies come from? the third world? so feminism is basically a form of elitism?

it goes without saying that only a small handful of people can have feminism.

Peter P says

The Original Bankster says

Mothering is a full time job.

You can outsource much of that to a nanny.

To the extent that day care centers exist, the function can be outsourced and be considered cost effective if daycare costs are significantly less than tanking the woman's salary to become a stay home mom. Just the cost of doing business...

The Original Bankster says

Peter P says

The Original Bankster says

Mothering is a full time job.

You can outsource much of that to a nanny.

and where will the nannies come from? the third world? so feminism is basically a form of elitism?

You can hire a British nanny. Just make sure your baby is neither shaken nor stirred.

dublin hillz says

To the extent that day care centers exist, the function can be outsourced and be considered cost effective if daycare costs are significantly less than tanking the woman's salary to become a stay home mom. Just the cost of doing business...

You may also need to outsource housework. This is why hired help makes sense for those who truly can afford kids.

komputodo says

I was talking about real mexicans that live in mexico...that's a whole different
thing no matter what anybody tells you.

The fact that latinos in united states are changing the patterns of behavior and gender role expectations compared to "real mexicans" as you put it (sound like palin's "real americans" by the way lol...) reflects the fact that some of their cultural traditions were not to everyone's liking and are malleable if proper opportunity presents itself.

Peter,

this plans works for so long as women continually and aggressively demand some kind of vague re-compensation for their supposed 'discrimination'. Theyve been at this for what 20 years? how much will they swipe from the public in just to make their stupid TV dream work?

you look at any women 'thought leader' and that's basically all she has to say- here's the forumula - CONVENTIONAL THOUGHT + WOMEN CAN DO THAT TOO. Take any area of economic development and it literally takes just days for a "_____ GIRL" to show up on twitter with absolutely nothing to say aside from 'im a girl and im in this field!'

dublin hillz says

komputodo says

I was talking about real mexicans that live in mexico...that's a whole different

thing no matter what anybody tells you.

The fact that latinos in united states are changing the patterns of behavior and gender role expectations compared to "real mexicans" as you put it (sound like palin's "real americans" by the way lol...) reflects the fact that some of their cultural traditions were not to everyone's liking and are malleable if proper opportunity presents itself.

actually if you look closely the more traditional mexicans get incredibly jealous and protective of their women knowing that in the US they have the tendency to declare their "independence" divorce, and turn the hombre into a paycheck like the other amerilosers.

The Original Bankster says

Peter P says

The Original Bankster says

Mothering is a full time job.

You can outsource much of that to a nanny.

and where will the nannies come from? the third world? so feminism is basically a form of elitism?

It works for Marissa Mayer, who builds a gigantic crib/daycare for her kid(s) at her office with company money while revoking the work from home policy for all her employees. Genius!

The Original Bankster says

Peter,

this plans works for so long as women continually and aggressively demand some kind of vague re-compensation for their supposed 'discrimination'. Theyve been at this for what 20 years? how much will they swipe from the public in just to make their stupid TV dream work?

you look at any women 'thought leader' and that's basically all she has to say- here's the forumula - CONVENTIONAL THOUGHT + WOMEN CAN DO THAT TOO. Take any area of economic development and it literally takes just days for a "_____ GIRL" to show up on twitter with absolutely nothing to say aside from 'im a girl and im in this field!'

I have never supported gender equality and I will never support such cause. This is because any kind of "equality" is philosophically perverted.

We should just let everyone thrive and live with the result.

mell says

The Original Bankster says

Peter P says

The Original Bankster says

Mothering is a full time job.

You can outsource much of that to a nanny.

and where will the nannies come from? the third world? so feminism is basically a form of elitism?

It works for Marissa Mayer, who builds a gigantic crib/daycare for her kid(s) at her office with company money while revoking the work from home policy for all her employees. Genius!

works for Marissa Mayer- poster girl for NuCalifornia where all your liberal dreams come true. If you want to buy this crap then go right ahead, let us know how it all works out.

The Original Bankster says

works for Marissa Mayer- poster girl for NuCalifornia where all your liberal dreams come true. If you want to buy this crap then go right ahead, let us know how it all works out.

Must have forgotten the irony tags - I think yahoo is doomed. But this is one of the cruelest moves I have ever seen from a CEO and it came from one of our poster power-women.

Why do people still work at Yahoo?

komputodo says

Cultural traditions are NEVER to everyone's liking no matter where you live

"Cultural traditions" are always used to justify any kind of behavior if they are the traditions of a foreign land. If they are the cultural traditions of America, then they are automatically considered invalid.

mell says

The Original Bankster says

works for Marissa Mayer- poster girl for NuCalifornia where all your liberal dreams come true. If you want to buy this crap then go right ahead, let us know how it all works out.

Must have forgotten the irony tags - I think yahoo is doomed. But this is one of the cruelest moves I have ever seen from a CEO and it came from one of our poster power-women.

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it's all a massive joke. The feminism thing was clearly ignited by the usual suspect rich families. Gloria Steinem admitted that most of her 'fish needs a bicycle' nonsense was done while she was working for the CIA.

to summarize- feminism was a ploy to get women to give up their natural source of happiness and trade it for a taxable myth role that they will never truly live up to and will bill the average joe for all their problems. In general liberalism is a collection of nonsense memes that are designed to permanently cripple the working class sociologically. they have us in a constant discussion about butt sex, chopping your dick off, etc. while they eviscerate public funds.

Peter P says

Why do people still work at Yahoo?

CUZ ITS LEAD BY A WOMEN.

they can do errything man can do!!!!!!!!!!

Peter P says

Why do people still work at Yahoo?

Pressure to pay the bills? They had good APIs and technology such as YUI, email and search algos - Yahoo finance was decent as well. Now with Marissa they have Alibaba ;)

mell says

Peter P says

Why do people still work at Yahoo?

Pressure to pay the bills? They had good APIs and technology such as YUI, email and search algos - Yahoo finance was decent as well. Now with Marissa they have Alibaba ;)

as soon as Marissa showed up it was quite clear that Yahoo was shit.

actually my metric is that the moment they put up women leaders it's the most desperate PR move they can make and it's an undeniable sign that the company isn't worth nearly anything they pretend it is.

you can measure it yourself. The moment you start hearing 'equality' then profitability is about to take a nosedive.

Women do not make good leaders. they are not decisive and will give into whatever the mob demands of them, it's in their nature.

Energy in creating "equality" is better spent in putting yourself on the right side of the inequality.

Peter P says

Energy in creating "equality" is better spent in putting yourself on the right side of the inequality.

good old Peter turning a moral dilemma into a personal opportunity.

Asians FTW

The Original Bankster says

good old Peter turning a moral dilemma into a personal opportunity.

It is not personal if applied universally. :-)

I support "woman power" movements, just not "equality."

Besides, what is the dilemma? The world is better when everyone does his/her best to improve himself/herself.

This whole weird conversation is like we are all in some time machine and the year it has gone to is 1950. Its just ironic that some of the people making these gross generalizations about women are also some of the most vocal when it comes to civil rights ( which they should be ). So in some ways some of these folks are really showing their true colors. Very interesting...

edvard2 says

This whole weird conversation is like we are all in some time machine and the year it has gone to is 1950.

Most people are bigots of some sort. Now it is even easier behind an online identity.

That said, "equality" is a self-limiting philosophy. Why stop there? Everyone ought to excel.

Whatever the reasons, the fact kept under cover is that working life isn't working too well for women in the US:

- 18% without kids at 40, more like 25% if they have a master.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2010/06/25/childlessness-up-among-all-women-down-among-women-with-advanced-degrees/

- "72 percent of women without kids believe that they can't balance work and home life either, and a staggering 70 percent of women overall are struggling with their well-being. In fact, 65 percent of women say they are "just trying to get by," and more than 40 percent of women surveyed say they are "hanging on by a thread.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/megan-dallacamina/forget-about-leaning-in-more-than-40-percent-of-women-are-hanging-on-by-a-thread_b_5475085.html

Maybe if they are legal......If illegal, probably not.....if the guy gets deported he will just pay a coyote to bring him back anyway.....but not likely that there will be much of a payoff for the female in terms of child support if a divorce among illegals happens.

The Original Bankster says

actually if you look closely the more traditional mexicans get incredibly jealous and protective of their women knowing that in the US they have the tendency to declare their "independence" divorce, and turn the hombre into a paycheck like the other amerilosers.

Men have no reproductive rights. Why should I be arsed about women's, given that most women think men not having any reproductive rights is 100% correct.

thunderlips11 says

Men have no reproductive rights. Why should I be arsed about women's, given that most women think men not having any reproductive rights is 100% correct.

we have no reproductive right but we have complete and total childrearing liabilities.

komputodo says

Peter P says

Just look at homes built in the 1950's. Shitboxes. Enough said.

You mean when houses were built out of real material and are still standing compared to the pressboard and vinyl, stapled together shitboxes they sell now.

Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt

Homes built in the 1930's and before are still standing. They are architecturally more interesting too.

I hate Eichlers. Are they even safe in a fire? Cold during the winter and hot during the summer. Classic.

The Original Bankster says

The modern women can no longer cook, they no longer want children and..

This problem is limited to Americans only.

carrieon says

The Original Bankster says

The modern women can no longer cook, they no longer want children and..

This problem is limited to Americans only.

its the worst in US and UK certainly.

fact is American women can't do anything. They simply complain and expect everyone to support them.

With men and women working the appropriate thing to do is for everyone to handle their "fair share" when it comes to paying bills, doing household chores/maintenance, handling parental obligations as well as paying for discretionary activities. That's not to say that both genders should have same hobbies and interests. But in regards to the first sentence, resistance to these changes from either gender is counterproductive and holds society back, not to mention the relationship itself.

Because women in US and UK are smarter?

BTW, it's not true that modern women don't want children. I wish. Kids are everywhere.

Modern parents just don't have the decency to tend to their crying child in a restaurant where reasonable people are trying to have a nice meal.

dublin hillz says

With men and women working the appropriate thing to do is for everyone to handle their "fair share" when it comes to paying bills, doing household chores/maintenance, handling parental obligations as well as paying for discretionary activities. That's not to say that both genders should have same hobbies and interests. But in regards to the first sentence, resistance to these changes from either gender is counterproductive and holds society back, not to mention the relationship itself.

this approach suggests that both parents are equally well suited and equipped to raise children. Entirely not true. Likewise, women are not equipped or suited for the workforce. The workplace has become nothing short of romper room beginning precisely at the period where women entered it. And it is no coincidence we now have so many problems with young kids as they don't have their nurturing mothers around when they are growing up.

Peter P says

BTW, it's not true that modern women don't want children. I wish. Kids are everywhere.

you are seriously out of touch. The birth rate is declining fast. The single motherhood rate is increasing fast. Most children being born today in the US are hispanics who hardly have a connection to modern american culture.

I don't know. Whenever there is a crying child in a nice restaurant, the parents are either Asian or Caucasian. It takes 3-5 dirty looks to get them to do something.