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turtledove says

You understand that these are things you have made up, right?

its funny how I see these same stories over and over again and every single woman has similar excuses. but this is a web forum, mostly I can see youre on here to share your view of the universe, get responses and maybe tweak it a bit.

for instance it was not uncommon for the brightest, best looking men to become monks. I know exactly why that is. Getting married was seen as mundane, and we had a better connection to spiritual matters in those days. Today we have little connection to spirituality and marriage and sex are seen as the main purpose of life. It's quite a shift in mentality.

mell says

The problem is though that if it doesn't work out he may have his career/wealth destroyed, esp.

My husband took quite a hit with his divorce from his first wife. I am well aware of just how much the court system favors women. But that doesn't change the fact that his second marriage worked out. We've been married almost 13 years, three years longer than his first. I know you guys can't believe that we're happy, but we are. We work well together. He just finished a book; I did the editing. That's the way we roll.

In eighteen months, we're done with payments to the ex-wife. And I have to admit, doing something really silly like going out that first month and buying a several thousand dollar bottle of wine and dumping it over my rose bushes could feel really good. (smiley face with devil horns).

here's a perfect example of why the end is nigh

http://www.youtube.com/embed/HSfkZhNncG4

practically proof of what estrogen does to your brain. this 'woman' is transgender. just listen to how shallow and vapid this person is and how her expectations work. not only is she incredibly shallow and selfish, but even being a transgender has not even tempered her attitude one bit and somehow she expects some male to arrive to latch onto even though she has never possessed working female reproductive organs.

it's going to collapse very soon.

turtledove says

That's the way we roll.

I dont know you come across as somewhat strained to convince us you're happy. Happy people dont get on the internet and write detailed reports of their happiness. You sound like most women I meet, they desperately want to confirm with anyone and everyone that they are happy, because they know they are not.

your wish is to waste a thousand dollar bottle of wine? wow

I was friends for a time with a very wealthy heiress, now deceased. I watched as men cravenly glommed on to her, flattered her, told her they hated their wives if she would take up with them etc. It was pretty revolting.

It was also really interesting. I came to the conclusion that given the right circumstances, men could be every bit as vain, craven, shallow and grasping as the worst gold digging woman.

turtledove says

I know you guys can't believe that we're happy, but we are.

I never said that. I take it for face value. I know happily married couples, they are in the minority from my experience, but good for them. I don't categorically exclude getting married myself, but I already have a kid to care of which takes priority ;) Personally I would like to see marriage more of something a couple earns and celebrates after going strong together for many years through good and bad times, not celebrating first and defer the true test for later. And I'd like to see spirituality brought back into that bond (which is very different from organized religion today).

Ceffer says

I watched as men cravenly glommed on to her, flattered her, told her they hated their wives if she would take up with them etc. It was pretty revolting.

Ceffer, guess what sort of women find me interesting? You'll notice that these types of women will search out a 'spiritual' man, and of course there are multitude of non-spiritual men trying to look the part.

Men CAN be, but men are oriented towards the spiritual while women are oriented towards nature. Wherever you see women participating in some kind of spiritual movement you can be sure they are debasing it. Yoga is a perfect example, these crazy women have made it virtually inaccessible for Americans. They turned it into another aerobics class.

The Original Bankster says

in a traditional environment, a woman who spends her youth pursuing some dream of a professional career, hits 27 and then takes a rich doctor away from his family and justifies it with some garbage would be considered blatantly intolerable.

I still don't understand. Marrying a guy who is divorced is taking him from his family? (and I was 30 when I met him).

The Original Bankster says

its funny how I see these same stories over and over again and every single woman has similar excuses.

Okay, but even if you've heard the same story a million times, it still isn't MY story. My being female doesn't make it MY story.

The Original Bankster says

Some thought I was homosexually inclined

Not to play armchair analyst, but at what age were you the first time a female suggested this to you? Given your views on gays, I imagine this upset you a great deal... Especially if you were young and just figuring relationships out. If you aren't comfortable sharing the details of this, I understand.

The Original Bankster says

Today we have little connection to spirituality and marriage and sex are seen as the main purpose of life. It's quite a shift in mentality.

I'd thought that in mystery schools of the ancients, as in Egypt or Babylon, doing mystical practices, not too dissimilar to today's Qigong, Meditation, and so-on was done by successful men, who had their choice of Temple prostitutes, but were certainly not about to settle down with marriage and a family.

and another important fact. Women are are incessant and insatiable when they are young AND THEY ARE FAR WORSE AS THEY AGE. When they hit 40+ they turn into wailing beasts of unpleasantness. Something happens to them hormonally where they simply can't be content in themselves. They are lovely to look at when they are young, but when they age they are the exact opposite.

This is mainly why girls will not introduce you to their mother until much later. It's a reminder of what you're going to get down the road. Selling a man on marriage is hard, but an image of their future wife in 20+ years makes it darn near impossible.

Men are really totally different. They generally look better as they age.

turtledove says

If you aren't comfortable sharing the details of this, I understand.

Eyes roll, this is the oldest trick in the expose closet homo repertoire.

Look, I part-time ghost write screenplays, I know how this goes.

What do you guys think of sex magick?

The Original Bankster says

turtledove says

That's the way we roll.

I dont know you come across as somewhat strained to convince us you're happy. Happy people dont get on the internet and write detailed reports of their happiness. You sound like most women I meet, they desperately want to confirm with anyone and everyone that they are happy, because they know they are not.

your wish is to waste a thousand dollar bottle of wine? wow

Obviously, I was kidding about the wine. As for my happiness level, you have to admit, you came into this believing that women are liars. So, if you already believed I was lying, of course you are skeptical of whatever I say.

The Original Bankster says

They generally look better as they age.

Or not at all, here's fitness expert, Bob Delomonteque in his 80s ...

turtledove says

but at what age were you the first time a female suggested this to you?

the moment i told her NO WAY. A psychological defense. None of your tactics are going to work- disliking homosexuals does not make you a homosexual. I know all these lame conversational tactics which again are a female agenda- you MUST be a slave to your hormones, no other options, because the moment you free yourself from them, they have no power over you. As soon as a woman discovers that she cannot use sex to manipulate you, she panics- but this is the path to freedom.

again just about every spiritual practice view homosexuality as negative, primarily because of what I mentioned, when women started to get involved they slowly erase these principles. Again yoga is a great example. The prescription was pretty clear- gay is bad, but slowly and surely women find ways of removing these things.

Rin says

turtledove says

If you aren't comfortable sharing the details of this, I understand.

Eyes roll, this is the oldest trick in the expose closet homo repertoire.

Look, I part-time ghost write screenplays, I know how this goes.

That would be the exact opposite of what I was saying. Unlike you guys, I don't automatically believe that the other person is lying to me. So, when TOB said that women said he was gay and he says he's not, I believe him, completely. Given the fact that he himself said that he isn't a fan of the gay lifestyle, I thought that it was probably very hurtful to him to have some gal suggest he's gay. If it happened at a young age, I would imagine this could be extra upsetting.

Peter P says

What do you guys think of sex magick?

I've read a lot of literature about this and it's incredibly interesting to me. Especially read things about sex in Yoga. Women have completely reversed the traditional thinking in this regard. Men have to stop being influenced by sex, and eventually you will see a revolution in this regard.

I think feminism and materialism go hand-in-hand. Women are naturally materialists. The word 'material' even has the word 'mater' in it. They have all sorts of complex explanations for this, even their own sort of 'spirituality' which is really an inversion of true spiritual values.

turtledove says

So, when TOB said that women said he was gay and he says he's not

of course shes going to continually reiterate on this one single sentence.

The Original Bankster says

None of your tactics are going to work

You give me too much credit. As you get to know me, you will see that I'm pretty straightforward. What I wrote is what I asked. Nothing more.

The Original Bankster says

disliking homosexuals does not make you a homosexual.

I agree. As I said to Rin, I wasn't suggesting for one second that you are a closet homosexual. Precisely what I asked is precisely what I meant. Some girl suggested you were gay. You are not gay. It must have hurt your feelings, especially if you were young at the time.

turtledove says

That would be the exact opposite of what I was saying. Unlike you guys, I don't automatically believe that the other person is lying to me. So, when TOB said that women said he was gay and he says he's not, I believe him, completely. Given the fact that he himself said that he isn't a fan of the gay lifestyle, I thought that it was probably very hurtful to him to have some gal suggest he's gay. If it happened at a young age, I would imagine this could be extra upsetting.

to clarify- our civilization has become so inundated with feminine thinking the only way they can conceive of a man is as a sex fiend. that's all they understand. If a woman isn't going to provide children, and she isn't equipped to please me in various ways such as cooking etc. then it's a non-deal. Women are endlessly obsessed with man's sexual responses because that is the primary way she maintains her control of relationships. They will do this for decades if you allow them. The moment you start to talk the way I am- they will try every tactic to shame you and will attempt to put an end to it in any way they can manage. They are well aware that if you aren't kept captivated by their poontang, they have practically no cards to play.

Try it yourself. Explain to your wife you want to be more spiritual and less sexual. see how she responds.

turtledove says

I thought that it was probably very hurtful to him to have some gal suggest he's gay.

Look, women have called me gay, behind my back, when I wasn't interested in them either. No one's breaking new grounds here.

There are generally a few stereotypical responses: he's playing hard to get, he's a creep/weirdo, or he's gay. And that's about it.

I've seldom seen someone say ... 'Hey, maybe I'm too much of a drama queen? Perhaps I'm high maintenance? Maybe I need to work on my own personality?'

turtledove says

You are not gay. It must have hurt your feelings, especially if you were young at the time.

not really- because today it's not really a negative to be gay. but clearly youre trying to instigate because I exactly described what your lame story above is really about. 27 year old woman 'not really looking to be married' is not exactly believable, and you just so happened to meet a doctor! but he was in the process of divorce anyway. Then you saved him when he was crying! youre a hero.

so Im guessing youre approaching 40 and, like all women, you are completely losing your sex appeal. So you have to convince yourself you are providing something to the partnership. Mothering, Emotional Support, Legal Advice, whatever you can possibly convince yourself of, but we know the truth, like every women you are there to TAKE, and you husband is there to GIVE and you know the reality of it, if he loses interest the marriage is done. I know how the female mind works because my eyes are open.

Rin says

he's playing hard to get, he's a creep/weirdo, or he's gay

YEP.

they can't accept the real answer. HE DOESNT WANT YOU.

they will create any sort of reality they can possibly fit to the facts but that one.

Rin says

'Hey, maybe I'm too much of a drama queen? Perhaps I'm high maintenance? Maybe I need to work on my own personality?

ever hear them say "maybe i need to be less demanding?"

if you really want to be happy in life, you need to accept how women really are.

Rin says

Look, women have called me gay, behind my back, when I wasn't interested in them either.

Perhaps they read your aura and decided that you were gay, as in HAPPY. ;-)

Rin says

Look, women have called me gay, behind my back, when I wasn't interested in them either. No one's breaking new grounds here.

But, if you read his words, it wasn't behind his back. She said it to his face.... the way he described it, the exchange didn't sound like an angry outburst. Since he wrote it, I'm just trying to understand. There's no agenda other than trying to understand where someone else is coming from.

Peter P says

HAPPY

Yes, Mademoiselle Gisele's body slide has a way of doing that :-)

Rin says

Maybe I need to work on my own personality?

it used to be(not very long ago) much harder for women to pull this shit. Gossiping and making up things, which is routine for women, was very much frowned upon. This sort of culture that has replaced the traditional one seems to allow for this, sometimes it even promotes it.

they'll contend that 'theyre not really like that' but watch them and observe that they dont even like being around each other. They prefer the company of men because they can manipulate them, lie and gossip and never get called on it, etc. etc. Women do not allow this sort of behavior towards each other.

turtledove says

But, if you read his words, it wasn't behind his back. She said it to his face.... the way he described it, the exchange didn't sound like an angry outburst. Since he wrote it, I'm just trying to instigate unsuccessfully. There's no agenda other than trying to understand where someone else is coming from.

no, no agenda at all. do you think youre in the least bit convincing?

your just displaying the petty nature of the woman.

@ Turtledove

You've said your peace to Rin but don't bother feeding the troll. He's well fed enough else ware on this forum. We wouldn't want him to get too fattened up now would we?

'cause he's a tranny....

turtledove says

Okay, why? Why are you the only person who has the possibility of knowing women?

as i mentioned these subjects will literally drive women insane. they can't accept these facts.

actually as soon as they encounter them some kind of deep psychological urge surfaces and they NEED to stomp it out. It's really bizarre actually. They have a strong need to prevent men from pursuing this line of thinking. It's not even something that is learned, it's deep inside them and they hardly understand it.

The Original Bankster says

They have a strong need to prevent men from pursuing this line of thinking.

The thing is that the 'non-random walk hypothesis' for men is that men are suppose to fall in love and seek marriage.

The notion that this could possibly be a phase, like playing with Star Wars or Barbie dolls as a child, is the issue.

Rin says

The thing is that the 'non-random walk hypothesis' for men is that men are suppose to fall in love and seek marriage.

The notion that this could possibly be a phase, like playing with Star Wars or Barbie dolls as a child, is the issue.

it's something deeper. When they come in contact with someone who thinks like me, they'll try anything to discredit. Just look at how desperate TD is to discredit me. Not the first time I've encountered this.

Again Yoga teachings go into a lot of theory about how this works, of course women have attempted to completely flood this field of knowledge with their own version of things. They actually have yoga competitions now due to their influence. Read the authentic writings, it's very enlightening. Sometimes I wish I wasn't American because it's probably the most hostile to this mentality, but then again I guess there is purpose here. Men are waking up and changing their outlooks.

The Original Bankster says

When they come in contact with someone who thinks like me, they'll try anything to discredit. Just look at how desperate TD is to discredit me. Not the first time I've encountered this.

The thing is that you've jumped into the Franciscan way, a bit quickly and w/o warning. That's a bit of a flashpoint for most ppl, as there isn't this Shaolin order in modern western society. Ppl, who're into spirituality tend to hang around wannabes like Eckhart Tolle or Deepak Chopra.

I'm in the Dionysian group, mixing a bit of the mystical stuff with earthly pleasures, but at the same time, I reject mainstream New Age and yes, Yoga gathering type of thinkers.

re. Yoga the popular stuff ala Deepak Chopra is incompatible with traditional yoga. You have to read into it.

Thing is, you have to understand the chief feature of the female psychology. Women all know, internally that men have something that they lack and they need it to exist. They are deficient, they are weaker, they lack the thing the man has and they need it. It's not altogether physical, it's a spiritual thing. Now they all have different ways of relating to this chief feature of their psychology. Some accept it fully- those are the 'traditional women' like an Amish woman for instance knows and accepts that she needs to depend on a man psychologically to be complete. those are also the happiest women who have the least emotional problems. Then there are women who deny it, and in denying it need to lie to themselves to a degree which results in all sorts of pathology at other levels, this is your typical modern woman. This denial takes many forms and will vary in degree and form from one woman to the next. This is mostly why TD obviously needs to fulfill some psychological urge here- this isn't just a discussion for her- she is compelled internally to beat down this idea I am building up in this thread.

There was a psychologist over 100 years ago that explained this matter-of-factly. He was removed almost entirely from the psychology curriculum by marxist-feminists. His name was Freud.

Rin says

The thing is that you've jumped into the Franciscan way, a bit quickly and w/o warning. That's a bit of a flashpoint for most ppl, as there isn't this Shaolin order in modern western society

yes, there were orders and such for this sort of thing and most of them have disappeared. That was a different age. something overtook mankind roughly 150 or so years ago.

so dont write off Yoga but certainly women have spoiled the subject by burying it with nonsense.

The Original Bankster says

Again Yoga teachings go into a lot of theory about how this works, of course women have attempted to completely flood this field of knowledge with their own version of things.

There was a girl on the beach in a bikini doing yoga today. I fell off my surf board a lot.

but one thing I noticed with you, Rin. Youre at a point where you understand completely that sex is just a biological habit, and your right. It is an animalistic urge and there is no 'love' there. You assume that this habit is inevitable where it most certainly is not. It's harder to control it if you start at a later age though, but possible.

In earlier times, control was thought to be manly rather than being a total sex glutton. Times have changed.

Ceffer says

There was a girl on the beach in a bikini doing yoga today. I fell off my surf board a lot.

this isn't yoga. She's simply doing postures(asana) that are meant to be preparations for other things. Doing it in her bikini in an attempt to allure men is just a joke. This is not the purpose of yoga at all. Perhaps a major part of the problem is men lost sight of the PURPOSE here?