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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2014 Dec 5, 6:42am
The side effect is you're out of cash but you still get the flu anyway.
The Flushot is not 100% it only offers about 50% to 75% protection.
People take it and they don't get sick, people don't take it and they don't get sick.
What you wrote doesn't make sense in that by taking the flu shot you are strongly increasing the chance that you won't get the flu.
As far as cost, many(most) actively encourage their members to get the flu shot with no out of pocket.
Tenpoundbass
2014 Dec 5, 6:56am
by taking the flu shot you are strongly increasing the chance that you won't get the flu.
But there's already a strong chance that during any given flu season that you wont get the flu anyway.
There's a chance that you may get to close to someone in an elevator that has a strain of flu that the current flu shot wont protect you from. You chances at that point is no greater or less greater than mine. It's really who catches the air borne flu virus or the person who pushes the door close button after the person with the flu steps off of the elevator. After she was the one that sneezed into her hand, then pressed her floor and then the door close button on the first floor as you both entered the elevator.
And you don't even want to know about Ebola tainted vomit her dog was eating while she was out walking it.
rufita11
2014 Dec 5, 7:01am
My son was coughing so hard that he revealed that he had a inguinal hernia! He actually coughed his intestines into his right you-know-what!!!
Wow. That actually sounds like whooping cough. Did they actually do labs to find out it was the flu? I got keuchhusten (Pertussis) in Germany after the baby I was caring for got it (Docs gave her homeopathic remedies). We each had it over a month--worst coughing EVER!
JH
2014 Dec 5, 11:01am
That wasn't one of our better vacations.
Omg that sounds absolutely miserable. I've only had flu once as an adult and it sucked. Ironically enough I got my damn flu shot that year haha. Capn shutup.
I'm not sure what proof there is that the flu shot has significant negative side effects.
Don't talk to michelle bachman much huh? Haha
My son was coughing so hard that he revealed that he had a inguinal hernia! He actually coughed his intestines into his right you-know-what!!!
Wow. That actually sounds like whooping cough. Did they actually do labs to find out it was the flu? I got keuchhusten (Pertussis) in Germany after the baby I was caring for got it (Docs gave her homeopathic remedies). We each had it over a month--worst coughing EVER!
Inguinal hernias are pretty common amongst kids and can develop over time, cough can trigger them but is not usually the root cause, it's just weakened abdominal walls.
I'm not sure what proof there is that the flu shot has significant negative side effects.
There is some proof, it just is deemed that the benefits outweigh the risks for the individual and the common, but that is debatable at least for the flu shot. People develop guillain barre syndrome, some even die. Some face chronic issues following vaccination that are hard to quantify/qualify. Besides preservatives (of which some have been removed) the adjuvants trigger heightened (abnormal) immune responses which is desired at time of vaccination, but can have lasting undesirable effects, esp. if you have many other vaccinations. The new nasal spray sheds the live-attenuated virus for up to 3 weeks which is also a concern for those with weak immune systems.
I'm not sure what proof there is that the flu shot has significant negative side effects.
Don't talk to michelle bachman much huh? Haha
Actually studies have not been decisive on this subject either, the amount of people infected with the flu does not seem to vary much even if the percentage of vaccinated people varies significantly. However a point can be made that the average case is weaker for an immunized person. This is not an easy or clear cut issue as it is with beyond-doubt proven useful vaccinations such as tetanus or polio.
JH
2014 Dec 5, 12:11pm
However a point can be made that the average case is weaker for an immunized person.
That (hope) is exactly why I get it every fall even though it isn't even close to 100% effective. I figure 1 flu, 15 years of flu shots, and no side effects yet (that I know of)...then I'll just keep doing it.
JH
2014 Dec 5, 3:11pm
How do you know you wouldn't have caught the flu those other 14 years and didn't need the vaccine?
I don't. But I think I'm ok with not knowing that one!
I don't know about that, it looks like your skin is peeling off in your avatar! That could be a side effect...
hah!
I entertained using this avatar back when I switched but I thought better of it:
Actually studies have not been decisive on this subject either, the amount of people infected with the flu does not seem to vary much even if the percentage of vaccinated people varies significantly.
Could you post some? Real studies, not anti vaccine hack jobs.
We're all just supposed to accept every thing you guys say, and when you get it wrong which really is a fucking LOT...
Liberal's are going to Die saying "It's better than nothing..."
We can think for ourselves. Whether you accept whatever is said or have the ability to think for yourself is your problem.
Captain. Are you elderly, pregnant, a child (chronological age not your emotional or intellectual age), a nurse, or chronically ill (physically not mentaly). If not then WTF are you worried about? Those are the groups recommended for a flu shot. Even if you are, just say no. Everyone else can choose for themselves thank you. For a conservative you sure are interested in being everyone's nanny.
Actually studies have not been decisive on this subject either, the amount of people infected with the flu does not seem to vary much even if the percentage of vaccinated people varies significantly.
Could you post some? Real studies, not anti vaccine hack jobs.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374803/
"The overall decline in influenza-attributed mortality over the 20th century cannot be the result of influenza vaccination, because vaccination did not become available until the 1940s and was not widely used until the late 1980s.19 This rapid decline, which commenced around the end of World War II, points to the possibility that social changes led to a change in the ecology of influenza viruses."
The article was about overall rate decrease, not controlled studies between vaccinated and non vaccinated populations.
Of course because there are none, so nobody can claim superior effectiveness outweighing any risk either. This was just an observation, not a conclusion. You don't have to prove the negative to maintain a skeptical view, esp. if there is no proof to the contrary. These observations are material enough to recommend a case-by-case decision. I didn't omit the next paragraph on purpose, and it further dislocates mortality rates from vaccinations anyways. And that's' usually what most people care about. By the way the CDC used to claim 70%-90% effectiveness and has now arrived at 50%-60%.
By the way the CDC used to claim 70%-90% effectiveness and has now arrived at 50%-60%.
Which is why I stay away from it... I'll take my chances with those odds versus putting some strange vaccine in my system...
For people who may have had the flu at least once (and no or no recent flu shot) there's an interesting alternative: Go to a doctor and get a lab slip for influenza antibody testing (it's cheap enough to pay for yourself). You will get antibody results for type A and B, which are the two main types. If your test is positive for either one or both, you may have decent enough immunity against strains of that main type (or both). For example this year it's mainly type A (e.g. H3N2). I am unclear though how long the antibodies last that these tests check for - some tests mention it's only a couple of months, but many report they have elevated levels in their results without having been sick lately, so they may last much longer. Of course this is not medical advice, talk to your doc, blah blah.. :)
JH
2014 Dec 6, 1:26pm
Do you ever drive in SF? That is FAR more dangerous. "But I have to drive." Ok, whatevs
Hey, new opportunity for you, create a vaccine to protect you when driving in SF! You'll be rich!
If only I had slept at Holiday Inn Express last night!
Of course because there are none, so nobody can claim superior effectiveness outweighing any risk either. This was just an observation, not a conclusion. You don't have to prove the negative to maintain a skeptical view, esp. if there is no proof to the contrary. These observations are material enough to recommend a case-by-case decision. I didn't omit the next paragraph on purpose, and it further dislocates mortality rates from vaccinations anyways.
No it doesn't. The article clearly talks about mortality rates before and after vaccines. The entire paragraph discusses the even lower mortality rates after vaccines and possible reasons. Objectively discusses which is nice.
If you don't want it simply don't take it. I think there is some value, I get it. I'm not worried about mortality, just being totally miserable for 2-3 weeks. I do object to clowns like the captain who thinks it shouldn't exist because he doesn't like it or the curious idiot who sees everything medical as a giant profit center ripping off the entire population with no benefit at all.
tatupu70
2014 Dec 6, 11:48pm
tough it out for a day or so when I have it,
lol-- a day or two??
You've either never had the flu or have a very bad memory.
Y
2014 Dec 7, 12:04am
no vaccine needed.
all you need is a cork.
Do you ever drive in SF? That is FAR more dangerous. "But I have to drive." Ok, whatevs
Hey, new opportunity for you, create a vaccine to protect you when driving in SF! You'll be rich!
Tenpoundbass
2014 Dec 7, 12:17am
tough it out for a day or so when I have it,
lol-- a day or two??
You've either never had the flu or have a very bad memory.
When I get them often they are often one or two day affairs.
The 24 hour flu.
Colds on the other hand can go on for weeks.
elliemae
2014 Dec 7, 12:41am
Is there anything that the Captain doesn't blame on everyone else (or Obama) - and about which he is actually informed? He's increasingly pissed off every day, and sounds like my crazy uncle right before we put him in the psych ward.
Zat you, Uncle Sol?
tatupu70
2014 Dec 7, 12:47am
When I get them often they are often one or two day affairs.
The 24 hour flu.Colds on the other hand can go on for weeks
The "24 hour flu" is not influenza. If you've had the real flu, you'd know it. It would be 2 weeks of high fever, nausea, horrible headaches, coughing, etc.
Tenpoundbass
2014 Dec 7, 1:31am
It would be 2 weeks of high fever, nausea, horrible headaches, coughing, etc.
You guys must be tepid sickly little girly boys. I've had the flu many times. It's gone by the third day.
tatupu70
2014 Dec 7, 2:03am
You guys must be tepid sickly little girly boys. I've had the flu many times. It's gone by the third day.
No, you haven't. Clearly you don't know what the flu is.
JH
2014 Dec 7, 2:13am
My mom gets the "flu" all the time like just capn. I roll my eyes at her too. When she gets the real flu she calls it something else like bronchitis. That way she doesn't need flu shots either.
elliemae
2014 Dec 7, 3:05pm
There are many strains of the flu - some will kick your ass for days. Call it Crazy says
Fix your general health an don't be a pansy and you won't suffer for 2 weeks from the flu, it will pass a lot faster!
When I've gotten the flu, which is rare, It might slow me down to half-speed for a day or two max, then I suck it up and deal with it until it passes. It's mind over matter.
The flu is a virus. It's not "mind over matter," no matter what you think. People actually die from the flu. You've been lucky and haven't been infected with one of the worse strains of the flu.
It'll kick your ass. Even if you wear ladies panties whilst you accuse others of doing the same.
just being totally miserable for 2-3 weeks.
How would we know, you're miserable for the other 49-50 weeks here?
Only when I read your posts. It's just painful to see someone waste 6 years of perfectly good schooling the way you do. I'm sure if you had really applied yourself you could have gone to to intermediate school.
You guys must be tepid sickly little girly boys. I've had the flu many times. It's gone by the third day.
No, you haven't. Clearly you don't know what the flu is.
He doesn't know what anything else is, it's good to be consistent.
Tenpoundbass
2014 Dec 7, 11:39pm
I don't know what a hurricane is, I don't know what a cold front is, I don't know the difference between a government service and a government taxation screw job, now I don't know what the flu is.
Living vicarious through the Liberal mind, is like trying to eat a Steak dinner with a condom over your tongue.
I didn't fall off of the turnip truck I was driving the mother fucker.
HydroCabron
2014 Dec 7, 11:51pm
I suck it up and deal with it until it passes. It's mind over matter.
What if someone hoses off a sidewalk near your place? How do you hold your composure in that situation?
turtledove
2014 Dec 8, 12:35am
Wow. That actually sounds like whooping cough. Did they actually do labs to find out it was the flu?
The doctor did the nasal swab and said it was flu. We were visiting from Europe, so the doctor was the guy the hotel sent to our room.... So who knows!
For whatever reason, we were all coughing a lot. The kids stopped coughing within a week, but for the grown-ups, we were coughing still a month later... even though we were otherwise better. You know, that lingering, stupid kind of cough that wasn't producing anything anymore, but would start back up every time you started talking. Like you were just ever-so-slightly choking on something that went down the wrong pipe. Beyond annoying!
turtledove
2014 Dec 8, 12:42am
Inguinal hernias are pretty common amongst kids and can develop over time, cough can trigger them but is not usually the root cause, it's just weakened abdominal walls.
I didn't mean to suggest that the cough caused it. He was born with the weakness. I agree that the hernia would have appeared eventually, anyway. It might have been a good thing that it appeared when it did, because it's more easy to repair when the kids are younger, as the hole is smaller. We had it repaired as soon as we returned to Ireland. Unfortunately, the repair didn't hold and we were back in surgery last September (here in California). Hopefully, this is the last repair.
elliemae
2014 Dec 8, 12:56am
CiC - were you infected with the one strain that was circulating that year?
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/types.htm
I have no doubt that you and your best friend Curmudgeon Shutup have experienced a strain of the flu. I was simply pointing out that there is more than one strain, and to say that the way to endure it is "mind over matter" is a complete and total crock of shit.
First, there's the whole "many strains, some of which can become fatal" aspect of the flu.
Then, there's the issue of good health staving off the flu. If you are healthy, it helps to alleviate some flu symptoms. However, even the healthiest person can develop a fatal case of the flu.
http://www.health.harvard.edu/flu-resource-center/10-flu-myths.htm
By the way, those people who actually have the flu and don't self isolate are the ones who infect the rest of the population. If you are sick, you should stay home.
To imply that a man is less masculine simply because he had a bad case of the flu is just plain crazy. Your name is apropos.
turtledove
2014 Dec 8, 1:44am
To imply that a man is less masculine simply because he had a bad case of the flu is just plain crazy.
It wasn't until I got the flu that year that I knew I had never had the flu before. I had mistakenly thought that the bad colds I had gotten over the years prior to that were actually the flu. I, too, thought people were wimps! Once I had a true case of the flu, I knew that what I had had in the past couldn't have been the flu.
Before that year, I too, used to think that the flu went away in a day or two and that you could push through it. The actual flu was beyond all that. It hit me like a ton of bricks. Suddenly I had a 104 fever that lasted for days (NSAIDS brought it down a little, of course). My eyes were injected (all the whites were very red). The coughing, headache and congestion was non-stop. The exhaustion was in my bones. My appetite was non-existent. I lost several pounds in two weeks. All medicine did was make it easier to sleep. Nothing helped but time. The really bad symptoms (high fever and the need to sleep 20 hours a day) were better in about three for four days... But I had a lot of lingering, milder symptoms. It truly took weeks to get back to normal. I had never had anything like that before in my life.
We were flying back to Ireland in a few days because we had to get home, of course. God only knows how many people we spread the joy to.
Seriously.... worst vacation EVER!
HydroCabron
2014 Dec 8, 1:51am
Because GBS is nothing to sneeze at.
George Bernard Shaw has been dead for many years. He won't harm you.
When I've gotten the flu, which is rare, It might slow me down to half-speed for a day or two max, then I suck it up and deal with it until it passes. It's mind over matter.
So then why were you worried about other viruses (for example, Ebola) when you could have simply willed your way (no fluids, no healthcare, etc.) back to good health?
I don't know what a hurricane is, I don't know what a cold front is, I don't know the difference between a government service and a government taxation screw job, now I don't know what the flu is.
You know what you don't know (or at least a small portion). Progress is being made.
Tenpoundbass
2023 Dec 27, 6:00pm
Are there any Debaters from this thread in 2014, that still worships the does dickall flu shot?
stereotomy
2023 Dec 27, 11:51pm
Man, this is so much easier to deal with when you don't have to involve the medical mafia.
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My Mama told me to pick the very best germ and you are it.
One potato two potato nick knack jack, take two dollars and give me five back, my mama told me to pick the very best one and you are IT!!!!
FUCK wrong one!
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/12/04/flu-shots-may-not-be-good-match-for-2014-15-virus-cdc-says/?intcmp=latestnews
Time to sue some cunt and force her to give her kids shots that the CDC admits wont do dick all this flu season. Because this year while they should have been actively trying to deduce the best virus candidates for this years concoction. They were trying to convince a terrified America with a maniac Ebola infested Nurse going out on leisure scenic bike rides, that you can practically use Ebola as a cooking ingredient and not catch Ebola. Maybe just maybe had they had OUR backs instead of Obama's back, they might have focused on an effective vaccine.
We're all just supposed to accept every thing you guys say, and when you get it wrong which really is a fucking LOT...
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