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By Patrick following x   2015 Feb 9, 7:43am 355,936 views   453 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    

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414   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Sep 23, 12:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
patrick what diversity is it that you speak of that is tearing American apart?


@Rocketmanjoe Please read the article:

http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/
415   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Sep 23, 3:00pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans if only we eliminated illegals.

As if the unemployed Americans would do those jobs, and as if business is ready to pay them more simply for being Americans.


"According to a former consultant to the bakery, MSI paid the black workers $14 an hour, versus the $10 an hour the Mexican workers were making through Labor Network."

https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/at-major-northwest-side-bakery-labor-issues-pit-blacks-vs-hispanics/

Ohhh idk is a 40% wage increase substantial? The factory is happy to employe $10 illegals. Crackdowns and a wall would result in enormous support for trump amongst all working class Americans. Blacks and latino american citizens will continue to get behind trump in huge numbers
416   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 23, 3:39pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aphroman says
Little Debbie Snack Cakes is in the business of poisoning Americans

Be fair, so is Jack Daniels ;-)
417   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2018 Sep 24, 8:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Ohhh idk is a 40% wage increase substantial? The factory is happy to employe $10 illegals. Crackdowns and a wall would result in enormous support for trump amongst all working class Americans.


If Trump really cared about the working class he wouldn't hiring foreign workers, he'd give those jobs to Americans. He wouldn't be raising tax's on the working class with tariffs. Face it Trump doesn't care about working class Americans.
418   LeonDurham   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 8:23am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yep-Trump's "tax cut" was about as big of a middle finger to the working class as I've ever seen.
419   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Sep 24, 8:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rocketmanjoe says
Politics have divided us. Keeping us from uniting as Americans. If people would just be honest and not just side with their team, speak up when they agree with someone not on their team, this would go along way to unite us. I'm pretty sure I've seen some do this here but few and far between. I agree that politics is what is dividing us but don't agree it is diversity.


I generally agree with what you're saying here and get your point of view, but did you go to college? That's not meant as an insult, serious question. And where? (Don't have to give exact school, maybe conference if it was a bigger school as my goal is to not dox anyone)

I went to UIC (University of IL Chicago). They were sooooooo proud of their diversity. You know what the campus looked like? The blacks had their group and would all hang. The whites would all hang out with the other whites. Asians with Asians, etc. Humans self segregate, for good or bad. It's just what we do. And in Chicago, many of these people have their own cultural "way of life" and they segregate themselves into their own large neighborhood or "micro" neighborhoods because that's what they WANT.

Diversity is forced and doesn't actually exist, which I think is what Patrick is somewhat getting at (tell me if I'm wrong). It's a social construct that is being forced on people to shame them for not hanging out with the black guy or the asian dude or the lesbian. My motto is hang out with who you want and everyone else that has a problem with that can go fuck themselves. Don't hate others, which there's no reason to, and we can all have a good time. Don't tell me though that I'm bad for not having a black or asian friend though, because that is what diversity has become. It's not about melting anything anymore.
420   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Sep 24, 10:01am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

LeonDurham says
Yep-Trump's "tax cut" was about as big of a middle finger to the working class as I've ever seen.

Net Neutrality counts big as a "middle finger to the working class"

WTF the whole Heritage Foundation package was anti-American as hell. That's how we got the healthcare we got, it was that or nothing. Nothing doesn't work because too many people were dying. How do the Republicans get to do these things to us and never get thrown in jail for it.

We need to get one of us into our government to subvert the program away from the wealthy takers.
421   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 22, 6:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Suggestion: GIlding posts with a donation to Patnet.
422   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 22, 7:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thanks, would not be hard.

What would gilding do exactly? Make the post more prominent? Gold border?
423   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 22, 7:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Thanks, would not be hard.

What would gilding do exactly? Make the post more prominent? Gold border?


I'd have it stick to the top of the page as one scrolls through, so that everyone must read the gilded post as context for any thread. Want a new gilded post? Just outbid the last guy
424   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 22, 7:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

And do it in pat.coins , new crypto
425   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 22, 8:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Dunno, seems like a violation of editorial integrity. I don't want to stoop anywhere near as low as, say, NPR or CNN, both of which are simply whores at this point.

I don't have much, but I still have my hymen, so to speak.
426   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 22, 8:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
I'd have it stick to the top of the page as one scrolls through, so that everyone must read the gilded post as context for any thread. Want a new gilded post? Just outbid the last guy


Something like this, but I was thinking more of a link to all the gold plated posts at the top of the page, maybe only the last one or two displaying.

Also, you could set a requirement that it have 3:1 Likes and a minimum of 10 likes to qualify, so it's not pure $$$.
427   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 22, 8:32pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I appreciate the ideas for monetization.

But why should anyone's post be granted a higher status just because they paid? Don't you want quality above all else?
428   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 22, 9:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
But why should anyone's post be granted a higher status just because they paid? Don't you want quality above all else?



Definitely, so I suggest some kind of minimum upvotes, and/or a high upvote/downvote ratio.

We can gild the top rated posts?

Anything I can do to help with monetization, I'm willing to help out.
429   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 22, 9:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Does gilding work that way on Reddit?

Or what about letting users tip other users, so good writers can get paid a bit? (With a modest 10% commission on that tip going to the site.) I could keep score on the site, and pay out when a balance gets above $20 or so. Would I have to issue a 1099 MISC then?
430   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Oct 22, 11:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If we're just brainstorming than I'd like to see a steam-it type concept wherein likes, quotes, upvotes, shares, etc... all count towards point totals per user, but maybe this just works on huge sites like quora.

Gamification and in-community currencies, it worked for world of warcraft. Just spitballin
431   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 23, 7:21am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I am grateful for the suggestions.
432   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Oct 28, 1:48pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Patrick.net is an uncensored anonymous forum.


How much longer do we play the "flag" game?
433   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 28, 1:56pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Or what about letting users tip other users, so good writers can get paid a bit? (With a modest 10% commission on that tip going to the site.) I could keep score on the site, and pay out when a balance gets above $20 or so. Would I have to issue a 1099 MISC then?


I wonder if we could make some post/area as a resource for various issues.

I've got several ideas for an Index of things, like tracking domestic terror attacks by cause or such like.

Then slap some ads on it or allow a tip jar, and you should make a big commission for hosting, 20%.
434   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 28, 4:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tell me more about what you were thinking.

Several times I have linked a certain class of post to a sub-database. Once for housing, once for a list of all SF tech companies, and I think a few others.

So you're saying that the sub-database would be maintained by one user, and updates would all be posted to a specific thread, right?
435   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 28, 4:42pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Tell me more about what you were thinking.

Several times I have linked a certain class of post to a sub-database. Once for housing, once for a list of all SF tech companies, and I think a few others.

So you're saying that the sub-database would be maintained by one user, and updates would all be posted to a specific thread, right?


Something like that.

Because Curious2 is good at listing Islamic attacks in the "Islam" thread, there was one (Goran? TPB? You?) on Leftwing attacks, and I had a Hillary thread (and others) that correlate all the stories/incidences about a certain topic. Fake Hate Crimes, that kind of thing.

I remember documenting Terror Attacks by Cause also, but I can no longer find the thread.

Think of this as something like an "Anti-Snopes", but it could also contain Reasons why Buying is a Bad Idea and other list/indexes of events/ideas.

Only the author(s) could comment in the main thread but tips or gripes could be kept in other posts underneath the main thread.

This way the original post could be updated with new information as it comes in. Then we could share with The_Donald, Twitter, and other places to drive traffic.
436   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 28, 4:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Only the author(s) could comment in the main thread but tips or gripes could be kept in other posts underneath the main thread.


So maybe the original post (which is what I think you mean by main thread) could itself have a little database that only the thread author could insert into, but everyone could search and read.

And tips or gripes would be comments as usual, below the original post.

Sound about right?
437   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 28, 5:54pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

That's exactly right.

Without having endless stickies at the top of the forum which suck, kind of a "Reference Thread" with a link at the top on the right side of Active/Comments/New/etc.

And you should monetize it, both because I'd pay for a few threads, and then you can charge for ads or ask for donations also..
438   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 28, 6:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OK, it's plan.
439   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Oct 30, 8:03pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce I need to pin down exactly how this new feature would look and work.

Are you thinking of essentially an embedded spreadsheet in a post?
440   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Oct 30, 8:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It could be. I was originally thinking more of a plain regular post

BUT

An embedded spreadsheet would be easier to keep updated and users could sort it by Place, Cause/Motive, etc. rather than just Date.
441   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 1, 5:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@Patrick @twoscoopsofspaceforce

OK. Goran has become a large enough troll that it's no longer fun to come here. So I guess he wins.

If this is what you want the site to be, have at it.

Take a look at the blue wave thread and tell me I'm wrong. Iwog was right all along that having him as a moderator will kill the site. I stayed much longer than I should have...
442   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 1, 5:19pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You’re always welcome back. Calling someone a troll is going to always result in a flag though. Now or later.
443   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Nov 1, 7:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anti_forum
444   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Nov 1, 7:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Now that I see Mr. Magic's post was made her where it belongs, I think it should be approved, actually.

HappyGilmore, I don't know why you're @ing me. I only get the odd posts at odd hours. If it isn't blatantly insulting, I usually let it pass and only insist that posts complaining about pat.net get made here.

The fact is when Trump won many posters became toilet mouths full of invective. It used to be pretty much confined between Captain Shuddup and Dan and Iwog, but then it spread all over. That's why the change had to be made.
445   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (5)   2018 Nov 1, 7:51pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HappyGilmore says
@Patrick @twoscoopsofspaceforce

OK. Goran has become a large enough troll that it's no longer fun to come here. So I guess he wins.

If this is what you want the site to be, have at it.

Take a look at the blue wave thread and tell me I'm wrong. Iwog was right all along that having him as a moderator will kill the site. I stayed much longer than I should have...


Which of your accounts will be leaving the site?
446   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 1, 7:57pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
HappyGilmore says
@Patrick @twoscoopsofspaceforce

OK. Goran has become a large enough troll that it's no longer fun to come here. So I guess he wins.

If this is what you want the site to be, have at it.

Take a look at the blue wave thread and tell me I'm wrong. Iwog was right all along that having him as a moderator will kill the site. I stayed much longer than I should have...


Which of your accounts will be leaving the site?


I’m glad someone said it. HappyGilmore is 99% someone’s sock account. I would bet $1,000 cash on it.
447   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Nov 1, 8:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Now that I see Mr. Magic's post was made her where it belongs, I think it should be approved, actually.


I'd like to know why it wasn't approved too, it was posted under "Discuss Anything" since...

Patrick says
Patrick.net is an uncensored anonymous forum.


I posted a 100% true comment, if they aren't allowed to stay, what's left to discuss?
449   www365   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 26, 2:44pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

is a housing crash coming?
don't understand why people still buy houses at such insane price.
450   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 26, 6:04pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@www365 My own opinion is that Bay Area prices will decline for the next few years at least, but slowly.

One factor is that the new tax law limits the deductibility of interest for the rich. Also, I expect interest rates to rise.
451   jazz_music   ignore (6)   2018 Nov 28, 6:34pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The honey badger
452   HEYYOU   ignore (25)   2019 Jan 22, 1:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Patrick.net is an uncensored anonymous forum."
No more moderators or ignorers?
453   Elgatouno   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 27, 1:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Well it appears we can not discuss everything.

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