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Second Amendment:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

No matter who may die. ! ?

The FDA and anti depressants.

The Federal Reserve and QE ZIRP.

That's what happens when you eat a box of apple jacks and eggo waffles for breakfast every morning.

dublin hillz says

That's what happens when you eat a box of apple jacks and eggo waffles for breakfast every morning.

Processed sugary foods and the USDA food pyramid as good as pulled the trigger. If he had eaten only hand-killed and salted boar fatback, a dozen eggs every 18 hours, and grubs & berries, those people would still be alive today.

Also: if those people had been armed, they'd still be alive. And this shows the need for an assault weapons ban or something. It also supports my particular political agenda. Liberals/conservatives are solely responsible for this tragedy. Founding fathers. Fluoridation Zionists. Peace on Earth. Purity of Essence. Sanctity of our vital bodily fluids.

dublin hillz says

eggo waffles

I thought this said "Ego Waffles"

I'm using the Scientific Method to prove my theory is a law. This is another step to my "Ultimate Rule".

"Be careful of who you piss off & who others piss off."

I think this will make all other value systems mute,null,void & not being worth a fuck.

If you are not actively discharging a weapon at all times, you are a pussy liberal socialist.

Darn shame. If the cameraman and broadcaster where only armed, this tragedy could have been avoided. (snicker)

HydroCabron says

If you are not actively discharging a weapon at all times, you are a pussy liberal socialist.

Amen.
Oh sh*t. Gotta reload.

Rew says

Darn shame. If the cameraman and broadcaster where only armed, this tragedy could have been avoided. (snicker)

A black dude shoots 3 white people (murdering 2), puts the video on the internet and claims he is a victim of racism.

The bodies haven't even cooled, and Progs are on the internet spewing tiresome and unoriginal anti-gun memes.

Shouldn't you all be back ginning up racial hatred over Ferguson or something to give this maniac some legitimacy for his actions?

socal2 says

black ... white ...

Ding! We have a w[h]in[n]er!

First mention of race on this thread.

Thanks for the race injection, race baiter!

Do we have any information as to who was gay in this incident, for Fort Wayne's sake?

HydroCabron says

Thanks for the race injection, race baiter!

The maniac murderer "injected race" as the motivation with his FB postings claiming the victim said racist things against him.

But for Progs, this doesn't fit the narrative.

So back to dopey anti-gun memes as it is easier to wrap your simple minds around.

socal2 says

The maniac murderer "injected race" as the motivation with his FB postings claiming the victim said racist things against him.

And you trotted it over here first chance you got.

I hate to disappoint, but I don't give a shit about race or a political agenda right now.

So blow me, you fascist barrelsucking racist gun nut!

socal2 says

Shouldn't you all be back ginning up racial hatred over Ferguson or something to give this maniac some legitimacy for his actions?

There is no power inequality here. Someone sworn to protect people didn't kill one. This absolutely is someone who decided murder was an answer/statement. The only racial component to this, is the one in the murderer's head, or any would be observer wants to propagate. There is zero justification for this, and to insinuate that I would think there was, is crap.

The reason the "anti-gun memes" are flowing is because large availability without proper and sane regulation has pushed us to a very dark place, with regards to guns, in America. The relationship with the firearm is not what it used to be. As long as the NRA and gun lobby fight any reasonable additional measures at regulation, and fail to be a heavy proponent of firearm education, even demanding it, then we continue down this path.

So the meme statements will all be "aimed" in the direction of highlighting just how wrong that position is.

And no, that doesn't mean any of those things could have stopped this incident. It's fun to try on the talking points in each high publicity gun violence situation to see what sticks.

Not much of anything will stick here. The reason? More guns do not equal more safety. Educated firearm users do. We don't have systems in the US making those people anymore. What we do have though: a lot of over the counter multiple-choice test, here is your weapon, points of sale.

HydroCabron says

And you trotted it over here first chance you got.

Well - it's pretty clear that the motivation for the double murder (based on the killer's own admission) was that he was a victim of racism. How long should his motivation remain undisclosed while you Progs jerk-off to your various anti-gun memes and blame the NRA?

HydroCabron says

I hate to disappoint, but I don't give a shit about race or a political agenda right now.

"Right now"? What's the matter, no easy way to politicize this against Conservatives, NRA, or racist white people?

Rew says

The reason the "anti-gun memes" are flowing is because large availability without proper and sane regulation has pushed us to a very dark place, with regards to guns, in America.

What gun regulation would have stopped this guy?

By all early accounts, he used a legal pistol and has no criminal history preventing him from legally buying a gun in even the most strict anti-gun States.

So Progs trying to turn this terrible tragedy into another effort for gun regulation is ridiculous, unless you are now advocating banning pistols all together.

socal2 says

unless you are now advocating banning pistols all together.

This is the ultimate goal, of course.

Anyone want to bet against socal2 not letting anyone have the last word on this thread?

Also, I predict socal2 will post 14 comments, with an over/under of 5.

What's the over/under on Prog references?

socal2 says

What gun regulation would have stopped this guy?

By all early accounts, he used a legal pistol and has no criminal history preventing him from legally buying a gun in even the most strict anti-gun States.

So Progs trying to turn this terrible tragedy into another effort for gun regulation is ridiculous, unless you are now advocating banning pistols all together.

By current accounts, that's right. No regulation I am for would have prevented this. I am not for bans. See previous comments as I've already stated much of that.

Do you also agree that more guns, people armed nearby, do not prevent these deaths?

Rew says

By current accounts, that's right. No regulation I am for would have prevented this.

Here is your last word HydroCabron. Some folks are honest and can break through the PC Prog hive mind.

But I bet it won't be the last word on those icky guns and mindless Prog snark they pick up from Facebook that substitutes for actual thinking.

It's all Obama's fault!!!

Ironman says

Oh wait, we forgot, NEVER inject "race" into a shooting discussion unless it's a whitey shooting a darkie...

Naw, the real difference is that black murderers go to jail - as they should - while white cops who murder don't. And it infuriates you that anyone would try to rectify that.

HydroCabron says

Do we have any information as to who was gay in this incident, for Fort Wayne's sake?

Apparently the maniac was gay after all claiming his treatment as a "gay black man" as one of grievances in the manifesto faxed to ABC News.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-alleged-gunman-details-grievances-suicide-notes/story?id=33336339

Rew says

Do you also agree that more guns, people armed nearby, do not prevent these deaths?

I ask again. Because this is what is currently offered as the solution to gun violence in America by the NRA/right : more guns.

You are probably reasonable, and will agree, even having armed people nearby would not have stopped this gunman's ability to shoot these three.

So, for those keeping score, in this instance : more guns wouldn't work and more regulation wouldn't work. Good. We can admit it is a tragic situation. Ok.

What about accidental shootings, criminal possession, mental issues and possession, and the general state of gun culture in the USA? You will either agree this is an issue, or not. That's fine. The degree with which you view this as an actual relevant issue to you, is also variable. It will change depending, and especially be dependent on where you live.

Essentially, if you want to address anything here, it requires a cultural shift just like we had with drunk driving in the US. Only since late 70s/80s with things like MADD, did DUIs become a pariah status. The results are dramatic for our country. The rate of DUIs halved.

We have to stop glorifying guns, respect them for what they are, make it possible to own but actually train and instruct responsible ownership and use. Actual education for firearm ownership should be a mandatory, and it isn't. An extensive background check should be mandatory. Your FFL and local NRA should know you, require testing/class/something just like the local DMVs do for cars, to allow you to continue modern firearm ownership. You can own knife, otherwise, which is a perfectly good armament protected under the 2nd. (Just like freedom of travel, that doesn't mean you have a right to own a car. "Arms" is defined by us as a nation.)

There is very little in current American culture which demonstrates actual maturity and respect for firearms, and especially not the familiarity, as in the 1800s and early 1900s. There are only familial pockets of this that remain. The rest is easy access, fear based sales for protection, with low skill and ability. On the worse end, it's rampant small arms proliferation.

There are plenty of other countries with as many firearms, but they have tougher regulations, and a different culture. Both are needed for the US to be sane here.

I bow out now. Thanks if you read all that.

Rew says

There are plenty of other countries with as many firearms, but they have tougher regulations, and a different culture. Both are needed for the US to be sane here.

The biggest difference is culture.

Most of those "other countries" are lily-white countries like Switzerland that don't share a long border with 3rd world countries run by drug cartels along with the crime that spills over our border. And most of these other countries don't have a history of slavery and segregation that contributed (not entirely caused) the total breakdown of the African American family where 70%+ of black children run around with no fathers in their lives.

Ironman says

they would of either stopped him BEFORE the first shot,

So your solution is to shoot anyone with a gun in their hand without the vaguest clue what they are doing and why (like an undercover cop)? That's just brilliant. Did you think that up all by yourself or did socal help you?

Rew says

There are plenty of other countries with as many firearms, but they have tougher regulations, and a different culture.

There are no other countries with as many firearms as the US, 88.8 guns per 100 people. The only ones even close are serbia at 69 and yemen at 54.

Well, I guess this is equality. I was wondering why all these mass murderers were white mostly. Now we have a black and gay mass murderer-was he transgendered by any chance?

socal2 says

And most of these other countries don't have a history of slavery and segregation that contributed (not entirely caused) the total breakdown of the African American family where 70%+ of black children run around with no fathers in their lives.

And most, rather none, of the other countries have a population of 300 million plus of every nationality that has existed on the earth. In the most racist era outside of the 19th century, 1900-1960, the out-of-wedlock births to black women had been stable at low double digits, slightly higher than those to white women. It was beginning to ramp up, though towards the mid-60's when Daniel Patrick Moyniham published his famous study called "The Negro Family" and warned that if the trend continued it wouldn't be good and especially if the trend extended to the white population--well today it's 70% for blacks and 40% for whites, both of which are scandals. From the mid-60's on, under the influence of the Great Society programs and the drug-fueled counterculture, we had a virtual collapse in family structure in every race, a situation which continues today. Here's an example of a black family that I think was fairly typical in Jim Crow 1956:

http://www.shorpy.com/node/13115?size=_original#caption

http://www.shorpy.com/node/13072?size=_original#caption

http://www.shorpy.com/node/13159?size=_original

How often do you think these scenes play out in the black community today? These people today would be described contemptously as "Oreos" or Aunt Jemimas and Uncle Toms.

Ironman says

Flanagan, 41, clashed repeatedly with photojournalists, belittling them in public and intimidating them with his violent temper

He was just following Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" that the rest of the left follows.

Ironman says

bob2356 says

There are no other countries with as many firearms as the US, 88.8 guns per 100 people.

So, what's your point???

How many physicians per 100 people do we have here and how many cars, toasters, TV's, cellphones, etc. per 100 people do we have here compared to other countries? Should we ban them too?

Where do you read the word ban? Your reading is actually worse than your math which is abysmal.

Ironman says

bob2356 says

Your reading is actually worse than your math which is abysmal.

Your ability to answer a specific question is worse than abysmal.

When you develop the english language skills to ask a specific question I would be happy to answer it.

This tragedy produced a conundrum in many ways. It was the worst possible combination--the gunman was both black and gay, so neither of those things can be discussed, and although the victims were journalists, they were both white, one male, and heterosexual, so no mileage there, leaving the only option as gun control. The ideal combination would have been for the gunman to have been a white angry straight male and the victims to have been at least one black and gay, both female, but a gay male of either race would have worked out fine too.

Ironman says

Here's a hint for you bob, when a question is posed, it ends with this symbol "?".

Is that hard for you to understand? (see, that was a question I asked you, it ended with the "?" symbol.

A question also has to contain content and meaning not just random words followed by a question mark. Meaningless CIC prattle doesn't actually constitute a question and is far from worthy of a response.

Are we even sure this really happened ? How can we know that it wasn't a hoax.

marcus says

Are we even sure this really happened ? How can we know that it wasn't a hoax.

Get that Crayon removed from your brain.

Gun Control.

Must be over 35 to possess a firearm (age at which criminal behavior falls off a cliff) in your domicile. Otherwise, must be stored at an approved facility (can include gun range, cannot take weapon offsite).
Any hospitalization or prescription of psychoactive medication, and you must store your firearms offsite, sell them, or give them up within 48 hours. Anybody in your domicile on psychoactive medication, you must also do so. Failure to do so makes you an accessory to whatever crime is committed by the mentally ill person, including any dependents. Hospitals, Pharmacies, and Psychologists/Psychiatrists are mandatory reporters.
5-year waiting period between the end of mental health issues and being able to have a firearm in your domicile.

There you go, I just solved a huge slice of firearm related deaths.

Conservative Logic:

White Shooter of Blacks admits he's killing blacks out of racism in his own writings. Relatives say it all started when a girl he was sweet on went with a black dude.

Black Shooter of Whites had a beef about getting fired years ago. He was obviously mentally ill. No evidence he killed the reporters BECAUSE they were White, but more likely because they represented his former employers.

Conservatives mad that liberals bringing up how easy it is for mentally ill people to get firearms.